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Title: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 08:15:09 AM
10 dead, 10 injured.
Suspect, only described as male, still on the loose
Not much more info than so far, stay tuned.

California mass shooting leaves at least 10 dead, others injured at Lunar New Year festival; suspect at large
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-mass-shooting-leaves-10-dead-others-injured-lunar-new-year-festival
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 08:49:48 AM
Reports of a "Machine gun"
Speculation on my part but probably a Glock switch

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Choi said he was told there was a man with a machine-gun, and believes there shooting took place at a dance club.
He added the man had multiple rounds of ammunition on him and would reload every time he ran out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11663231/Police-attend-shooting-Los-Angeles-area-multiple-casualties-LA-Times.html

Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2023, 09:18:05 AM
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and believes there shooting took place at a dance club.

Interesting that it was reported as a BALLROOM dance club. Maybe I have a boomer expectation of the demographic that would normally frequent a ballroom dance club, vs some hip hop club that might attract gang activity.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 09:45:24 AM
I would think a ballroom would have a large open area that could be rented out for such occasions.
The Chinese community here usually rents out a similar place here for Luna NY.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2023, 09:56:59 AM
I would think a ballroom would have a large open area that could be rented out for such occasions.
The Chinese community here usually rents out a similar place here for Luna NY.

Ah, sure - I wasn't thinking of that. The way I read it, it sounded like the dance club was being used as a dance club, but renting the space makes sense.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 10:21:21 AM
A little bit more info

Now they're saying "Assault rife" and they're looking into whether or not another shooting is connected.
They're also still saying "machine gun". But we all know how often semis are reported as full autos

Suspect still on the loose

Manhunt underway for gunman who shot dead 10 and left 10 hospitalized after opening fire with 'assault-style rifle' inside dance studio with revelers celebrating Chinese Lunar New Year: Cops probe second shooting two miles away
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11663231/Police-attend-shooting-Los-Angeles-area-multiple-casualties-LA-Times.html

Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 10:34:33 AM

Waiting on a news conference
Think, maybe, it can be viewed here

LIVE: 10 dead in Monterey Park mass shooting, police say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJzx5SYl2ZI
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 11:21:48 AM
Head of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce of LA  being interviewed thinks it was a depute between a husband and wife in debt. Not sure if that's speculation on his part or not.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 11:36:36 AM
News conference is on

Suspect: Asian male

Edit: And that's it for new info.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2023, 11:44:02 AM
News conference is on

Suspect: Asian male

Edit: And that's it for new info.

So I guess all the tweets with a million likes already saying it was a white conservative egged on by Trump will all be corrected now, amiright?
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 11:48:04 AM
So I guess all the tweets with a million likes already saying it was a white conservative egged on by Trump will all be corrected now, amiright?

White Hispanic Asian
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 11:56:41 AM
Sheriff says he doesn't "believe it was an "assault rifle"".

More info on the other incident that they think may be connected.

An Asian male walked in another dance hall with a weapon which was then wrested from him, he then fled in  a white van. This occurred shortly after the above shooting. No word on what the weapon was. If true he may have been going for round 2 at another Lunar NY celebration.

Edit: He just said "it was not an assault rifle".
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Kingcreek on January 22, 2023, 12:15:39 PM
Sheriff says he doesn't "believe it was an "assault rifle"".

Edit: He just said "it was not an assault rifle".
Doesn’t matter. It’s already out there and will forever be another mass shooting with an assault rifle.
Facts don’t matter, narrative does.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2023, 12:29:37 PM
Doesn’t matter. It’s already out there and will forever be another miss shooting with an assault rifle.
Facts don’t matter, narrative does.

Yep.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 01:37:35 PM
There is only the narrative for the truth is the narrative, the narrative is the truth.

LA Mayor
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She added that as cops continued to prope ‘whether these murders were motivated by Asian hate, we continue to stand united against all attempts to divide us.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/live/article-11663583/LUNAR-NEW-YEAR-MASSACRE-LIVE-Festivalgoers-screamed-fled-bloodbath-ten-shot-dead.html
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 02:55:32 PM
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    #Breaking: This is the scene in Torrance where SWAT has a white van surrounded and are telling the driver to roll down his window and throw out his weapon. There is a bullet hole in the windshield and we can’t see anyone moving inside. #FOXLA #MontereyPark #MassShooting @FOXLA pic.twitter.com/cgJjNAbggX
    — Cristy Fajardo (@fajardonews) January 22, 2023

Chinese Lunar New Year massacre suspect as SWAT is locked in stand off with 'white van linked to mass shooting' that left ten dead and ten hospitalized in dance hall bloodbath
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11664139/SWAT-team-locked-standoff-white-van-linked-mass-shooting.html
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 02:57:08 PM
 LIVE: Standoff underway in Torrance possibly related to Monterey Park mass shooting suspect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX165mJ1KAA
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 04:04:23 PM
Body in the van
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Now they're moving in on another white van.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2023, 04:23:37 PM
White male, mullet, t-shirt with sleeves ripped off, backwards baseball cap, and MAGA bumpersticker next to the "If this van's a rockin' " bumpersticker (as will be reported by the MSM by tomorrow).

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/720/405/suspectcali.png?ve=1&tl=1)
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 22, 2023, 04:23:51 PM
None of this would have happened if not for the SHOT show last week.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 04:26:05 PM
None of this would have happened if not for the SHOT show last week.

Close the Shot Show Loophole
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 06:33:53 PM
Appears he shot himself in the van
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 08:59:32 PM
72 year man

Oh and he used a "magazine-fed semi automatic assault pistol"

Monterey mass shooter is identified as Huu Can Tran, 72, after he was found slumped over in white van with handgun he used to take his life: Cops reveal weapon used to kill 10 on Chinese Lunar New Year was magazine-fed semi automatic assault pistol
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11664139/SWAT-team-locked-standoff-white-van-linked-mass-shooting.html

Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 09:15:55 PM
Ah, the above article is a bit misleading about the gun found in the van.
The gun he used for the shooting was as I suspected is probably the one taken away from him at the second site.
CNN's article makes more sense

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The gun wrestled away from the suspected Monterey Park shooter at a second location Saturday night is a Cobray M11 9mm semi-automatic, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the case.

At a news conference Sunday evening, Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna described the gun as a "magazine-fed, semiautomatic assault pistol" with an extended, large-capacity magazine.

This style of firearm is designed to take 30-round magazines that allow for rapid fire without having to frequently change magazines.

In response to a reporter's question, Luna said: "I believe the weapon ... is not legal to have here in the state of California."
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/los-angeles-mass-shooting-01-22-2023/index.html
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: T.O.M. on January 23, 2023, 07:11:29 AM
Channel surfing this morning.  Reporter from NBC just said the weapons was a "fully semi automatic assault pistol". 

I've started to hear "assault pistol" used more and more.  Narrative change to go after pistols...
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 23, 2023, 10:51:37 AM
California needs to stop drinking the NRA kool-aid and adopt gun control NOW.

literally no gun laws in California SMH
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 23, 2023, 11:51:26 AM
While we're focus on the shooter, his possible motives, and the gun, lets not forget the guy who stopped him from committing a second shooting, Brandon Tsay.

Moment hero bystander, 26, tackled Monterey Park gunman at SECOND dance hall after he killed ten people in jealous rage while 'looking for his wife' before shooting himself in a van
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11666371/Moment-hero-bystander-tackled-Monterey-Park-gunman.html
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 23, 2023, 01:24:11 PM
While we're focus on the shooter, his possible motives, and the gun, lets not forget the guy who stopped him from committing a second shooting, Brandon Tsay.

Moment hero bystander, 26, tackled Monterey Park gunman at SECOND dance hall after he killed ten people in jealous rage while 'looking for his wife' before shooting himself in a van
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11666371/Moment-hero-bystander-tackled-Monterey-Park-gunman.html

Makes you wonder what charges the DA is trying to figure out to press against the bystander.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 23, 2023, 03:37:38 PM
Death toll at 11 now   :'(
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 23, 2023, 08:38:28 PM
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Investigators found a "few items of interest" at the shooter's mobile home — some of which led officials to believe he was "manufacturing homemade firearm suppressors," Luna said. Officials also found "hundreds of rounds of ammunition." The items, which now need to be thoroughly tested, according to the sheriff, were gathered from a search warrant that was executed earlier Monday.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/monterey-park-california-shooting-01-23-23/index.html
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 23, 2023, 08:45:52 PM
"Hundreds of rounds of ammunition"
 :rofl:
Sometimes I daydream about the hyperventilating pearl clutchers reporting about my ammo stash.
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 24, 2023, 11:28:17 AM
Looks like he had a suppressor on the M11

 Video of Brandon Tsay fighting Tran for the gun

https://twitter.com/CatchUpNetwork/status/1617741439248781313

If I ran  a local bar Tsay would get free drinks for life.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 24, 2023, 11:34:59 AM
And twitter puts a age restriction and now requires you to log in right after I posted
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 24, 2023, 11:36:19 AM
Here's a YT link https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rtuQwV_w_IE
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2023, 08:14:53 AM
Now they're saying MAC-10 instead of M-11
And it did have what appears to be a suppressor so expect calls to ban them

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During a press conference on Wednesday evening, Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said two weapons that were recovered near the Star Dance Ballroom Studio in Monterey Park, California included a Cobray Company semi-automatic 9mm MAC-10 and a Norinco 7.62 x 25mm pistol.

He used the Norinco on himself in the van.

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The weapon also had a modification to its trigger, although it is not clear if the weapon was modified to be fully automatic. It is being tested by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Luna said.

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A MAC-10 is typically illegal to own in California, which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the U.S., especially on "assault weapons." However, a Californian is allowed to legally possess a weapon that is later outlawed.
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A resident can, similar to an outlawed weapon, legally keep in their possession any large-capacity magazine if it was obtained before Jan. 1, 2000, Reuters reported.

Expect calls to nullify grandfathering
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Ben on January 26, 2023, 08:16:59 AM
Now they're saying MAC-10 instead of M-11
And it did have what appears to be a suppressor so expect calls to ban them

He used the Norinco on himself in the van.

Expect calls to nullify grandfathering

This is the only image I could find of the can. It looks homemade maybe?

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/01/720/405/THUMB-Monterey-Park-shooting.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2023, 08:19:01 AM
This is the only image I could find of the can. It looks homemade maybe?



Yeah, thought the same thing
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 26, 2023, 09:13:17 AM
This is the only image I could find of the can. It looks homemade maybe?

One of the early news reports said when the police searched his home they found materials for making home-made silencers.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2023, 07:28:09 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Monterey Park gunman was BANNED from dance studios where massacre unfolded and complained about his 'unfortunate life': Police reveal weapon used to kill 11 people on Lunar New Year
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11680531/Monterey-Park-mass-shooter-banned-dance-studio-killed-11-Lunar-New-Year.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/26/19/67007755-11680531-image-a-23_1674762391909.jpg)
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2023, 07:29:13 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/26/21/67007745-11680531-A_Norinco_7_62_X_25mm_pistol_is_the_weapon_Tran_used_to_shoot_hi-a-2_1674768281490.jpg)
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 27, 2023, 01:06:07 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Monterey Park gunman was BANNED from dance studios where massacre unfolded and complained about his 'unfortunate life': Police reveal weapon used to kill 11 people on Lunar New Year
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11680531/Monterey-Park-mass-shooter-banned-dance-studio-killed-11-Lunar-New-Year.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/26/19/67007755-11680531-image-a-23_1674762391909.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/26/21/67007745-11680531-A_Norinco_7_62_X_25mm_pistol_is_the_weapon_Tran_used_to_shoot_hi-a-2_1674768281490.jpg)

Alright, I've been certified by CNN in gun identification, so let me help you guys out here.

Up top, you got the infamous Browning Superposed, designed by Gustav Browning in 1985, and credited with turning the tide at Lepanto.

The little guy is the Fiat-Daewoo Assault Derringer, AKA the Turkish Tickler. They say in fully-semiautomatic, it will not just deter an assailant, but cause him to flee at high speed, repent of his misdeeds, and turn himself in to the sheriff.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: dogmush on January 27, 2023, 07:35:41 AM
The hobbyist gunbuilder in me wonders about the concentricity of that homemade suppressor. and is that a grease gun tube?  That's a lot of volume for 9mm.
Title: Re: Monterey Park, California Lunar New Year festival shooting
Post by: RocketMan on January 27, 2023, 08:53:46 AM
The hobbyist gunbuilder in me wonders about the concentricity of that homemade suppressor. and is that a grease gun tube?  That's a lot of volume for 9mm.

That was my first thought when I saw that suppressor.  Definitely home brew.