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Title: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 09:56:05 AM
GA State Trooper was "reportedly" shot by an individual and in the ensuring return fire the shooter was killed.

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Protestors were angry about the death of 26-year-old Manuel Esteban Paez Teran, who was killed by police after he allegedly refused demands from authorities on Wednesday and fired a gun at state troopers at the site of the new Atlanta Public Safety Training Center.

The activist reportedly identified as a nonbinary person who went by the name Tortuguita ("little turtle" in Spanish) and used they/it pronouns. Protesters carried signs with Tortuguita's name on Saturday.

"An individual, without warning, shot a Georgia State Patrol trooper," Georgia Bureau of Investigations' Michael Register told reporters earlier this week.

The Georgia State Patrol trooper, who was wearing a bulletproof vest, was shot in the abdomen. The law enforcement officer is in stable condition and is recovering from surgery.

Of course protests have to break out.

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The Twitter account Scenes from the Atlanta Forest called for a "Night of Rage" to enact "reciprocal violence to be done to the police and their allies," according to a post.
"Consider this a call for reciprocal violence to be done to the police and their allies. On Friday, January 20th, wherever you are, you are invited to participate in a night of rage in order to honor the memory of our fallen comrade," the group wrote on Twitter, in an apparent violation of the platform’s terms and conditions.

Could get interesting down there

Atlanta police arrest 6 in night of chaos after violent protesters lit cop car ablaze, smashed windows
https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-police-arrest-night-chaos-violent-protesters-cop-car-smashed-windows
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: griz on January 22, 2023, 10:21:16 AM
Is it the contention of the protestors that it's OK to shoot people, including cops, if you are non-binary and use the correct pronouns?

Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 22, 2023, 10:41:33 AM
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Protestors were angry about the death of 26-year-old Manuel Esteban Paez Teran, who was killed by police after he allegedly refused demands from authorities on Wednesday and fired a gun at state troopers at the site of the new Atlanta Public Safety Training Center.

The activist reportedly identified as a nonbinary person who went by the name Tortuguita ("little turtle" in Spanish) and used they/it pronouns. Protesters carried signs with Tortuguita's name on Saturday.

"An individual, without warning, shot a Georgia State Patrol trooper," Georgia Bureau of Investigations' Michael Register told reporters earlier this week.

The Georgia State Patrol trooper, who was wearing a bulletproof vest, was shot in the abdomen. The law enforcement officer is in stable condition and is recovering from surgery.

I kind of like how the author and/or editor don't give a fig about the pronoun statement in the second sentence, and use "he" in the first sentence.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 10:42:58 AM
Is it the contention of the protestors that it's OK to shoot people, including cops, if you are non-binary and use the correct pronouns?

Still too early to say for sure if what the police say happened is what happened.
Just not taking sides in that yet.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on January 22, 2023, 11:02:09 AM
Still too early to say for sure if what the police say happened is what happened.
Just not taking sides in that yet.

While we can (and do) want more info on the actual shooting, I can safely refuse to take the sides of the folks who smashed windows of unrelated businesses and set a car on fire.  I feel I have enough info for that.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1617050972907524099?s=20&t=MhfR6aGpjLN71T45KK9FNw
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 11:13:23 AM
While we can (and do) want more info on the actual shooting, I can safely refuse to take the sides of the folks who smashed windows of unrelated businesses and set a car on fire.  I feel I have enough info for that.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1617050972907524099?s=20&t=MhfR6aGpjLN71T45KK9FNw

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 11:17:11 AM
More info on the protests and the incident that sparked it.

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Tortuguita was killed on Wednesday as authorities cleared a small group of protesters from the site of a planned Atlanta-area public safety training center that activists have dubbed 'Cop City.'

During the multi-agency operation on Wednesday, the GBI said approximately 25 campsites were located and removed from the site. Seven others were arrested and charged with domestic terrorism and criminal trespass, with additional charges pending

Teran was shot dead after allegedly opening fire at a Georgia State Patrol trooper during a 'clearing operation' of the so-called autonomous zone at the site of a future $90 million center.

Since June 2021, Antifa and other far-left extremists from across the US have occupied the area to prevent the construction of what they've dubbed 'cop city.'

The Georgia Bureau of Investigations (GBI) said a Georgia State Patrol trooper was shot and severely injured during the raid by a man camped in the area. Officers returned fire and killed Teran, who brandished a pistol.

Lots of photos at the link

Antifa protesters mimic George Floyd screaming 'I can't breathe' as they're pinned down and arrested in Atlanta: Violent group torches a police car and pelts building with fireworks over activist's 'Cop City' shooting death
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11662679/Chaos-Atlanta-Antifa-rioters-torch-cars-set-fireworks-outside-Police-Foundation-building.html
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 22, 2023, 11:18:19 AM
Still too early to say for sure if what the police say happened is what happened.
Just not taking sides in that yet.

Oh, please. They shot another unarmed black man!

(who had a gun)
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 11:22:46 AM
Oh, please. They shot another unarmed black man!

(who had a gun)

From the photo at the Daily Mail link two posts up he was white and/or Hispanic

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/22/03/66769423-11662679-Manuel_Esteban_Paez_Teran_26_pictured_was_shot_and_killed_after_-m-41_1674357802233.jpg)
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
The only violence that has occurred thus far is violence by police against the peaceful protestors. Per CNN "contributor".

https://twitter.com/i/status/1616994446352187394

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/01/22/cnn-guest-rambles-on-and-on-about-not-calling-antifa-riots-violent-as-they-set-cars-on-fire-watch/
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 22, 2023, 11:28:53 AM
Mostly peaceful

Also noticed some reports saying he pointed a gun at an officer with no mention of the officer that was shot.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2023, 11:45:35 AM
Oh, and that same unbiased CNN contributor has a gofundme running for the antifa guy.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/01/22/cnn-guest-who-claimed-antifa-riots-arent-violent-promotes-gofundme-of-activist-who-shot-state-trooper/
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: French G. on January 22, 2023, 12:16:44 PM
I believe the hippies have been living in these woods for months to protest the building of the police center. A convenient forest fire would advance several goals.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 22, 2023, 12:25:54 PM
From the photo at the Daily Mail link two posts up he was white and/or Hispanic



You don't know what race he identifies with, bigot!
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 22, 2023, 01:16:06 PM
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The Georgia State Patrol trooper, who was wearing a bulletproof vest, was shot in the abdomen. The law enforcement officer is in stable condition and is recovering from surgery.

The Georgia State Patrol might want to reexamine what they issue for ballistic protection.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on January 22, 2023, 01:34:32 PM
Probably went under the vest.  Most body armor doesn't go all that far down, especially if it was a plate carrier.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 23, 2023, 08:05:41 AM
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    Six people were arrested after a peaceful protest over a proposed police training ground turned violent in Atlanta, police said. https://t.co/7LDbaelFxK pic.twitter.com/gXpRjNq5im

    — ABC News (@ABC) January 22, 2023

Lets just totally ignore the fact they were calling for violence before the protests even started.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Pb on January 23, 2023, 11:07:02 AM
Sounds like the police took out the trash.   :police:
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2023, 04:57:32 PM
A little info on the peaceful protestors. At least the few that were arrested:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/01/23/guess-what-the-antifa-rioters-arrested-in-atlanta-all-have-in-common/
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: French G. on January 23, 2023, 05:30:45 PM
guess-what-the-antifa-rioters-arrested-in-atlanta-all-have-in-common

An extreme distaste for personal hygiene?
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Boomhauer on January 23, 2023, 06:59:54 PM
If you venture into Atlanta these days, particularly the gentrified areas full of the compassionate white liberals, you’ll find a shitton of BLM/Hands Up Don’t Shoot and so forth signs in the yards meanwhile every parking lot is covered in signs saying “Not responsible for theft from vehicles make sure no valuables are left in your car”

Interesting dichotomy, that.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on January 23, 2023, 08:17:30 PM
" Global diversity expert"

EXCLUSIVE - REVEALED: Atlanta Antifa terror suspect worked as a production assistant for CNN and is daughter of UK Foreign Office consultant and New Jersey-based Chinese pharma tycoon
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11667905/Antifa-terror-suspect-daughter-Pharma-China-giant-British-Foreign-Office-consultant.html
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 23, 2023, 08:24:27 PM
" Global diversity expert"

EXCLUSIVE - REVEALED: Atlanta Antifa terror suspect worked as a production assistant for CNN and is daughter of UK Foreign Office consultant and New Jersey-based Chinese pharma tycoon
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11667905/Antifa-terror-suspect-daughter-Pharma-China-giant-British-Foreign-Office-consultant.html


Those MAGA extremists really go for the deep cover sort of thing, don't they?
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2023, 08:54:44 PM
" Global diversity expert"

EXCLUSIVE - REVEALED: Atlanta Antifa terror suspect worked as a production assistant for CNN and is daughter of UK Foreign Office consultant and New Jersey-based Chinese pharma tycoon
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11667905/Antifa-terror-suspect-daughter-Pharma-China-giant-British-Foreign-Office-consultant.html

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Teresa Yue Shen, 31, was one of seven activists arrested at the future $90million Atlanta Public Safety Training Centre in a 'clearing operation' on last week. Mental health consultant Shen...

"Mental health consultant"   ;/
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on March 05, 2023, 09:45:00 PM
Things haven't exactly calmed down there over the training center.

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Protests at a proposed police training center in Atlanta became fiery Sunday night as nearly 150 rioters set construction vehicles aflame and threw rocks, sticks and even Molotov cocktails at police.

The site of Atlanta's future Public Safety Training Facility — dubbed Cop City by those who protest its development — is now under lockdown as crews work to put out smoke and flames.

Officials say at least one construction vehicle was set on fire during the protests Sunday night, and video posted online shows a police surveillance tower on fire.

Police say the protest has since been contained, though many of the protesters scattered back into the woods, where gunshots were heard, according to FOX 5 Atlanta.

BREAKING NEWS: Gunshots ring out as protesters throw Molotov cocktails and torch a police surveillance tower and construction vehicles at 'Cop City' site in Atlanta
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11824357/Gunshots-ring-protesters-throw-Molotov-cocktails-Cop-City-site-Atlanta.html
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: K Frame on March 06, 2023, 06:59:00 AM
You know, I'm of the mind that if "protestors" start tossing firebombs, the police have every right to, and should, toss live ammunition back. I have absolutely ZERO problems with someone who thinks his efforts at causing severe bodily harm or death are somehow covered by the First Amendment taking a couple of .223 rounds to the head.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on March 06, 2023, 07:59:01 AM
What about the guy holding a sign standing 20 feet away from the someone who thinks his efforts at causing severe bodily harm or death are somehow covered by the First Amendment?  Law enforcement is not known for their accuracy.

Or should we just execute the entire crowd?

I totally agree that we shouldn't put up with these riots, and I agree with pulling the violent commies out of the crowd and putting them against a wall.  Molotovs are not 1A covered expressive actions.  However, unless you can somehow cull the violent commies from the complacent useful idiots, I'm not on board with popping rounds into the crowd.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: K Frame on March 06, 2023, 08:16:02 AM
"Or should we just execute the entire crowd?"

Now you're talking my language.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on March 06, 2023, 08:36:01 AM
"Or should we just execute the entire crowd?"

Now you're talking my language.


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Money  -> Mouth
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: K Frame on March 06, 2023, 08:37:20 AM
I'm almost 60. Don't meet their qualifications.

Glad to know which side you're on, though...
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on March 06, 2023, 08:42:04 AM
I'm almost 60. Don't meet their qualifications.

Glad to know which side you're on, though...

I feel I've been pretty clear about my feelings on this board in the past, But just to make sure:

I totally agree that we shouldn't put up with these riots, and I agree with pulling the violent commies out of the crowd and putting them against a wall.  Molotovs are not 1A covered expressive actions.  However, unless you can somehow cull the violent commies from the complacent useful idiots, I'm not on board with popping rounds into the crowd.

But just because I don't like or agree with commies doesn't mean I have to be a Lickspittle for anyone with a badge.  Law Enforcement in the US is some culturally broken, bordering on dystopian, and we probably should push back against a glorified MOUT course designed to train half-addled bullies how to better use their M4's and MRAPS to storm people's houses over 5 pot plants.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: K Frame on March 06, 2023, 08:51:14 AM
Who's talking about being a lickspittle? (Nice word, by the way).

I'm talking about allowing individual who are under threat of grave physical harm to actually defend themselves.

Or are you against that now because apparently all police can't shoot worth a damn?

Makes me wonder just where you stand on self defense.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2023, 09:11:26 AM
More info, video, and pictures

Moment Antifa mob breaks into construction site for new ‘Cop City’ site in Atlanta and torches vehicles and throws Molotov cocktails at cops
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11824357/Gunshots-ring-protesters-throw-Molotov-cocktails-Cop-City-site-Atlanta.html



Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 06, 2023, 09:34:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDVvmQ9hL7M
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on March 06, 2023, 11:30:12 AM
Who's talking about being a lickspittle? (Nice word, by the way).

I'm talking about allowing individual who are under threat of grave physical harm to actually defend themselves.

Or are you against that now because apparently all police can't shoot worth a damn?

Makes me wonder just where you stand on self defense.

No, you were talking about shooting rioters.  I pointed out that we don't normally cut loose with rifles into riots because there tend to be folks in the crowd that aren't using deadly force.

We aren't talking about self defense in this thread, and it's disingenuous to pretend you were.  You were talking about cops shooting rioters.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on March 06, 2023, 02:17:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1632616081406689280?s=20

FFS two teams of buffoons' flailing at each other.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2023, 02:59:14 PM
REVEALED: One of 23 Antifa rioters arrested for firebombing Atlanta 'Cop City' is an attorney for woke Southern Poverty Law Center - with others charged with domestic terrorism including a Frenchman and Canadian
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11827087/International-group-23-Antifa-charged-violent-Atlanta-Cop-City-protests.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/06/18/68394767-11827087-image-a-12_1678126876512.jpg)
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on March 06, 2023, 03:42:08 PM
Wouldn't the Frenchman and Canadian just be terrorist terrorists? How does one get charged with Domestic Terrorism outside one's own country?
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2023, 04:29:20 PM
Wouldn't the Frenchman and Canadian just be terrorist terrorists? How does one get charged with Domestic Terrorism outside one's own country?

Glad I'm not the only who was wondering about that.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 06, 2023, 05:01:37 PM
REVEALED: One of 23 Antifa rioters arrested for firebombing Atlanta 'Cop City' is an attorney for woke Southern Poverty Law Center - with others charged with domestic terrorism including a Frenchman and Canadian
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11827087/International-group-23-Antifa-charged-violent-Atlanta-Cop-City-protests.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/06/18/68394767-11827087-image-a-12_1678126876512.jpg)

I will agree that they are criminals, certainly.

But they are NOT terrorists.

Terrorists strike at non governmental civilian targets in order to inflict fear and chaos onto the populace and drive public support of a policy in favor of the terrorist group.  This is a governmental target.  The article even states that the 23 in question threw rocks and flaming bottles at officers.  Interestingly, and very differently from most Antifa movements, they are constraining their destructive actions to government property.  They torched a cruiser in downtown Atlanta, and attacked the building that houses the Atlanta Police Foundation.

Arsonists?  Heck yeah.

Terrorists?  Nope.

I don't accept the FBI's definition of terrorism (https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism) because it offers no means of disambiguating acts of State Sanctioned War or Espionage or Covert Actions from what actual terrorism is.  Interestingly, the UN has a better working definition of terrorism (https://dema.az.gov/sites/default/files/Publications/AR-Terrorism%20Definitions-BORUNDA.pdf) than the US: 

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The UN General Assembly Resolution
49/60 (adopted on December 9, 1994),
titled "Measures to Eliminate
International Terrorism," contains a
provision describing terrorism:
Criminal acts intended or calculated to
provoke a state of terror in the general
public, a group of persons or particular
persons for political purposes are in any
circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the
considerations of a political,
philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic,
religious or any other nature that may be
invoked to justify them.

They aren't attacking the public.

This is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.  Conservatives are about to become a minority in this country.  Throwing Terrorism charges around and making a person an enemy combatant rather than merely a felon citizen has considerable implications.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Ben on March 06, 2023, 06:22:09 PM
REVEALED: One of 23 Antifa rioters arrested for firebombing Atlanta 'Cop City' is an attorney for woke Southern Poverty Law Center


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqjv6ElWwAEpxtP?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on March 06, 2023, 08:22:17 PM
AZ you're not 100% wrong, and make a cogent point, but they also attacked a construction site and torched at least one bulldozer.  Unless that was a government owned Caterpillar they aren't as selective as you suggest.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: WLJ on March 13, 2023, 05:32:05 PM
Four autopsies later they finally get one that will say what they want it to say
Never mind what the first three said.

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A second autopsy of an environmental activist who was shot and killed by the Georgia State Patrol on Jan. 18 shows their hands were raised when they were killed, lawyers for their family say. The full autopsy report will be released at a press conference Monday.

Says second but also reading it was the fourth

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“Both Manuel’s left and right hands show exit wounds in both palms.

Exit wounds in the palms? That the wrong direction for what they're claiming.
And lets not forget the bullet hey pulled out of the copy came from his gun.

Guess what the narrative is now

NPR: Autopsy shows ‘Cop City’ protester’s hands were raised when he was shot by police
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/03/13/npr-autopsy-shows-cop-city-protesters-hands-were-raised-when-he-was-shot-by-police/

Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: sumpnz on March 13, 2023, 06:19:09 PM
Regarding the “discussion” of the propriety of shooting the rioters, far as I’m concerned, those not hucking Molotov cocktails are willingly acting as cover for those that are.  As such they are just as guilty for any harm caused.  And therefore are fair game when belt fed crowd dispersion devices are employed.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 13, 2023, 08:24:46 PM
I've always been a simplistic sort of guy, and this doesn't seem overly complicated to my simple mind. If you don't want to get shot, don't hang around protests where people are doing things to get shot for.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: dogmush on March 13, 2023, 08:59:34 PM
[Ashli Babbitt has enterd the chat]

Oh wait, no she hasn't.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: French G. on March 13, 2023, 09:15:58 PM
[Ashli Babbitt has enterd the chat]

Oh wait, no she hasn't.

Oof.

The Israelis do pretty okay, suppressed 10/22s kneecapping those doing the tossing or the leading.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 13, 2023, 10:27:45 PM
I'd be happy to see them deploy some non/less-lethal crowd control measure. I would love to see some sticky foam deployed, bonus if it has indelible dye in it to mark the rioters.
Title: Re: Trouble in Atlanta over police shooting
Post by: MechAg94 on March 13, 2023, 10:56:21 PM
[Ashli Babbitt has enterd the chat]

Oh wait, no she hasn't.
That riot was defined that way after the fact.  I didn't see anyone around her employing deadly force or trying to commit arson. 

Maybe it depends on if you include the embedded Fed agents outside.