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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: gunsmith on March 18, 2023, 03:49:05 PM
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Well, as of Sat the 18th of March, he has not been arrested yet, but everyone is talking about it.
It will be hilarious to have him as potus again, I'm gonna love it.
The Quatering is here discussing all the obvious
https://youtu.be/Fv0GDi8DjGs
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They've got him this time for sure.
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And an awful lot of legal eagles - including lefties - don't see any actual crime here.
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They hate him, maybe it's a modern version of a hate crime.
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Elon Musk had some interesting comments:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/18/elon-musk-predicts-what-an-arrest-of-donald-trump-would-lead-to/
I don't discount them. I know I'm not the only one who gets a burr under their saddle when the legal system is used this way, even against someone I may not like. I've said it before: Many people don't view Trump as Trump in a case like this. They, like they did when he was banned from social media, or his home raided, view him as the poster child for "everyman".
If they can do it to a current or former president, they can do it (or much, much worse) to us. It's what driving people like Bill Maher, Russell Brand, and Tulsi Gabbard to red pill.
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President Trump did not kill himself in custody.
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Arrested? For what, having classified documents?
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Arrested? For what, having classified documents?
Stormy Daniels
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President Trump did not kill himself in custody.
While the all the guards are taking a break all the cameras just happen to go down.
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https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/18/trump-posts-on-truth-social-that-hell-be-arrested-next-week-dem-squirrel-moment-detected/
It’s no surprise the Trump ‘perp walk’ nonsense has started - three Biden’s caught receiving money from China, Hunter admitting the laptop is indeed real, the bank crash(es), train derailments, COVID info starting to leak out, #J6footage released.
Look, SQUIRREL!
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Stormy Daniels
Is paying off a whore illegal?
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Is paying off a whore illegal?
Not if you're Hunter Biden.
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Is paying off a whore illegal?
I thought there might have been some issue about doing it as a Presidential candidate. I could be wrong about that. I saw a comment about it being a misdemeanor, but I don't know.
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Is paying off a whore illegal?
As I understand it they are claiming that since he paid the money to Stormy specifically to help himself get elected, and not to say, keep his wife from finding out, that makes it a campaign activity, not private.
Since he didn't use campaign funds (or declare the donation) it amounts to an illegal campaign donation and is therefore a criminal act.
Seriously. That's what they have.
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As I understand ......
Seriously. That's what they have.
If Trump is arrested for that, I give up.
You heard it here first.
If that's all they got, and they arrest him for it, by jimminie, I'm voting for Donnie if I have to write it in!
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What gets me is that the Democrats/Left are SERIOUSLY discounting how 50% (or more, if you are a believer in 2020 election fraud - doh...) of the population feels about the Donald. Frankly, I don't like the sumbitch, but then again, I've hired lawyers that I didn't particularly like either.
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Now he is walking it back. I'm not sure what is going on but he still sucks. He is still better than the current incompetent administration but that is not saying much.
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Trump's major downfall was when he said he would drain the swamp... That got the folks really riled. Mustn't right-size that bureaucracy... Nope. They're the government, and they think they can't be fired.
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Nancy Pelosi is having conniptions about Trump claiming he'll be arrested.
https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-dems-calls-trumps-arrest-195458976.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
I guess she thinks it's his duty to STFU and accept whatever dems do to him. Or else - as deposed Speaker - she's trying desperately to pretend she's still relevant.
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Nancy Pelosi is having conniptions about Trump claiming he'll be arrested.
https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-dems-calls-trumps-arrest-195458976.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
I guess she thinks it's his duty to STFU and accept whatever dems do to him. Or else - as deposed Speaker - she's trying desperately to pretend she's still relevant.
I'm pretty sure Pelosi's insider trading carries a bigger criminal penalty than what Trump is accused of. I'm not sure some of these dems realize that what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.
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Just like Pelosi’s regarded *expletive deleted*it the news on at the restaurant we were at had their commentators frothing at the mouth that his announcement was an attempt to “incite insurrection” just like “January 6th”
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News on at the restaurant we were at was frothing at the mouth that his announcement was an attempt to “incite insurrection” just like “January 6th”
I'm seeing a lot of that. As well as "civil war 2" and "we have nukes and the army to take care of these rednecks".
I will say, just to play Devil's advocate and look at all the possibilities, that part of this might be a publicity stunt for Trump, who seems to be way behind DeSantis in the primaries.
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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to tweet and to remove all doubt
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/19/billy-baldwins-gross-ashli-babbitt-tweet-has-tweeps-asking-if-theres-any-baldwin-thats-not-a-pos/
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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to tweet and to remove all doubt
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/19/billy-baldwins-gross-ashli-babbitt-tweet-has-tweeps-asking-if-theres-any-baldwin-thats-not-a-pos/
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Wow. He's inviting unhinged individuals to visit him. I've met crazy people on "my" side and "their" side, it is dumb and dangerous to say things like that
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The Big Apple is ready to batten down the hatches and mobilize 700 riot cops ahead of former President Donald Trump's anticipated arrest early this week.
State, city and federal law enforcement agencies have been meeting in recent weeks to discuss how to deal with expected widespread protests following Trump's arrest, as his supporters have already started descending on Trump Tower.
The New York Police Department is even considering stationing hundreds of riot cops, the Daily Beast reports, fearing that Trump's arrest may cause both MAGA conservatives and anti-Trump protesters to face off outside Manhattan Criminal Court as he is arraigned.
And Secret Service agents in charge of Trump's detail in South Florida, as well as those in New York, are said to be coordinating how they will get Trump into the District Attorney's office through the crowds of protesters and the media.
NYC battens down the hatches and NYPD prepares to mobilize 700 'disorder control' riot cops ahead of ex-president's possible arrest - as MAGA supporters descend on Trump Tower
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11878221/Big-Apple-battens-hatches-ahead-Trumps-possible-arrest.html
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My question remains - what if Trump just stayed in Florida?
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Gotta respect Vivek here:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/19/were-watching-adam-kinzinger-get-dumber-in-real-time-check-out-his-lame-dig-at-vivek-ramaswamy/
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Since when is this ahole actually concerned about the rule of law in New York?
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/19/manhattan-da-says-his-office-will-not-tolerate-threats-to-the-rule-of-law-after-trump-calls-on-supporters-to-protest-.html?__source=sharebar|facebook&par=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR09PSKg-Nomq0-UPmU12sVS63rH0oFO2W5Mg4r0SjSRkGeI9nvnwNiSAT8
OH.................... since he's targeting a white conservative. That's when he's worried about the rule of law.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/manhattan-da-announces-plan-to-get-trump-elected-in-2024
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I'm pretty over Trump and not planning on voting for him. This may change that. Likewise, on good ol J6 I was at both of my jobs. Someday we'll have a real insurrection and as it goes, it won't be televised. Be much uglier. This indian might go off the reservation.
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I'm pretty over Trump and not planning on voting for him. This may change that. Likewise, on good ol J6 I was at both of my jobs. Someday we'll have a real insurrection and as it goes, it won't be televised. Be much uglier. This indian might go off the reservation.
I voted for Trump twice, but I certainly didn't worship the ground he walks on. If he's the GOP nominee, I'll certainly vote for him again, as the democrat nominee is GUARANTEED to be far worse in every respect. As for J6 I didn't even know something was going on - make that had gone on - in Washington until I tuned in to the evening news. The ruckus wasn't loud enough to be audible down here in Texas. ;)
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I wish Trump would go away for good.
Arresting him is the best gift anyone could give him.
I wonder if the left realizes that.
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DeSantis is a fraud who has remained silent as Donald Trump, the man he used to advance his political career, is being persecuted.
Many other Republicans from @SpeakerMcCarthy & @VivekGRamaswamy to even Mike Pence have spoken out about this.
Ron remains SILENT! https://t.co/nvQrnRuUAh
— Alex Bruesewitz 🇺🇸 (@alexbruesewitz) March 20, 2023
BREAKING: Gov. DeSantis responds to Trump possibly being indicted.
"I don't know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair…" but says Alvin Bragg is a Soros-backed DA who is going after Trump for political reasons. pic.twitter.com/M0JiQP3KVb
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) March 20, 2023
DeSantis adds: "We won’t be involved in this. I have no interest in getting involved in some type of manufactured circus by some Soros DA…He’s trying to do a political spectacle. He’s trying to virtue signal for his base. I’ve got real issues I got to deal with here in FL." pic.twitter.com/PDbJKEDvea
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) March 20, 2023
Boom!
Like a boss: Ron DeSantis’ much-anticipated remarks on possible Trump indictment are *chef’s kiss*
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/03/20/like-a-boss-ron-desantis-much-anticipated-remarks-on-possible-trump-indictment-are-chefs-kiss/
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I would have preferred DeSantis stay mum about what Trump supposedly did, as that is just a pretext for ever-Trumpers to screech that he is attacking The Chosen. I do like the second half, though.
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I would have preferred DeSantis stay mum about what Trump supposedly did, as that is just a pretext for ever-Trumpers to screech that he is attacking The Chosen. I do like the second half, though.
Yup, because now it has Trump saying some stuff as "payback" trying to allude to DeSantis being a gay pedo.
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I wish Trump would go away for good.
Arresting him is the best gift anyone could give him.
I wonder if the left realizes that.
I heard they did that in 2016 thinking he was the weakest candidate. Maybe some think that about 2024 as well.
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Checkmate :rofl:
4D Chess: Trump Reveals He Preemptively Pardoned Himself Before Leaving Office
https://babylonbee.com/news/4d-chess-trump-reveals-he-preemptively-pardoned-himself-before-leaving-office
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I heard they did that in 2016 thinking he was the weakest candidate. Maybe some think that about 2024 as well.
I still think that Hillary paid him to run thinking he would wreck the primaries.
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So I guess this is a big fizzle. Apparently it was 90% reporters and 10% "protestors" in front of the courthouse yesterday.
I continue to wonder if this was a PR thing for either Trump or Bragg.
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NYC putting all police on standby
Washington Metro police are also preparing for protests, but the U.S. Capitol Police 'is not currently tracking any direct or credible threats to the US Capitol,' a department intelligence assessment obtained by CNN notes.
NYPD is the largest police department in the country, with roughly 36,000 current officers and 19,000 civilian employees. The memo this week suggests that all 36,000 officers are expected to be in uniform and on standby for deployment on Tuesday.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11885365/ALL-NYPD-cops-uniform-ready-deployed-TODAY-Trumps-arrest.html
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I would love to see a full on SWAT takedown arrest at Trump Towers.
That would show the peons whose in charge for sure.
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If Trump were to be taken into custody, wouldn't he still have Secret Service protection 24/7 like all ex-Presidents get?
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When even Michael Avenatti says this a BS case you know it's a BS case.
Michael Avenatti
@MichaelAvenatti
There are many critical facts and pieces of evidence (texts, emails, etc.) relating to the hush money scandal that have yet to see the light of day. And they will unfortunately be very damaging to the prosecution if Trump stands trial. At this point, you simply can't build a case on the testimony of Cohen & Daniels
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1636585933108826112
For those who don't remember he was Stormy Daniels lawyer in the lawsuits filed against Trump
When even Michael Avenatti says case against Trump is weak and will fail? WOW! No really, he said it!
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/20/when-even-michael-avenatti-says-case-against-trump-is-weak-and-will-fail-wow-no-really-he-said-it/
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So are we doing this or what? I took off work, but it's hot and my plate carrier keeps chafing on my Hawaiian shirt. The door guard over there at the court house keeps waving me in to get some AC but I don't want to miss the protests.
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The door guard over there at the court house keeps waving me in to get some AC
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TRUMP IS A LIAR!!! HE WON'T BE ARRESTED TODAY!!!! SEE??!! SEE??!! HE'S JUST TRYING TO STIR UP TROUBLE!!!
... or maybe they postponed the grand jury vote until tomorrow.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/national/trump-indictment-grand-jury-vote-expected-wednesday/?fbclid=IwAR3rY2V7lKhYV-FdGccGqCr_mnXWSd68b-8WN9wCaVRFG51LrokOPR31VlU
Brad
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AOC will have to wait another day to be in fear of being in fear of being raped again.
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There will be no arraignment this week,' a source familiar with the proceedings told DailyMail.com exclusively on Tuesday.
The former president, who is currently in Florida, is expected to be formally charged tomorrow, after which the Manhattan District Attorney's office will reach out to Trump and his Secret Service detail to make arrangements for his surrender, according to the insider.
EXCLUSIVE: 'Trump will NOT be arraigned this week.' Former president is expected to be indicted tomorrow and Secret Service will make plans for his surrender and appearance in New York court NEXT WEEK
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11886761/Trump-indicted-WEDNESDAY-wont-appear-court-week.html
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It took the Biden's China payments out of the news cycle and moved the bank crisis way back. Who set this up?
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Honestly I'm surprised this is related to the Stormy Daniels thing. When I first heard, I was sure they were going to bring him up on some kind of RICO charges for telling governors to "find more votes". I always felt he stepped over the line there and it's all recorded and everything so I'm sort of surprised he skated on that one when it seems like the establishment are chomping at the bit to pounce on anything.
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The statement by itself isn't near enough. I think they would need to find actions underlying those statements. And they probably can't find anything that their own candidates are not also publicly doing.
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Not surprised one bit if true.
Has Antifa infiltrated Trump protests? Demonstrator with ANARCHIST tattoo on his neck is spotted whipping Trump supporters into a frenzy in Manhattan
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11888067/Moment-Antifa-infiltrator-screams-protestor-Trump-Shaman-outfit-wearing-wire.html
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Weren't they doing that in 2016 at least in a more limited context? They were putting on Trump shirts and trying to start fights or pull out Nazi flags.
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Weren't they doing that in 2016 at least in a more limited context? They were putting on Trump shirts and trying to start fights or pull out Nazi flags.
And reportedly J6
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Canceled for the day
Trouble convincing the grand jury according to this
Two sources familiar told Fox News Digital on Wednesday that the grand jury was canceled amid "major dissension" within the district attorney's office. One source claimed the district attorney is having trouble convincing the grand jury on potential charges due to the "weakness" of the case.
Trump hush-money grand jury proceedings 'canceled' for Wednesday, sources say
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-hush-money-grand-jury-proceedings-canceled-wednesday-sources-say
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My understanding was that a good prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich?
If after all this they can't even get an indictment.....I don't know, but their will be wailing and rending of garments all up and down the coasts.
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The MSM will claim the GJ is being intimidated by the right
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The MSM will claim the GJ is being intimidated by the right
Indeed, they had to pass both of the Pro-Trump protesters to enter the court house.
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The MSM will claim the GJ is being intimidated by the right
I believe I already saw that headline, somewhere.
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Do grand juries still have broad independent subpoena powers, or has that been reigned-in? It would be funny if they launched their own investigation into the prosecutor.
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MSNBC
Mary Trump: Trump would likely surrender if charged because he's a ‘coward’
Michael Cohen: Trump is melting down over imminent 'arrest'
Cause for grand jury delay is unclear, but here are a few potential reasons
The latest MAGA indictment delusion is a doozy
The MAGA faithful’s new indictment delusion
Asked about Trump, McCarthy’s attention turns to Hillary Clinton
The key reason the DOJ didn't prosecute Trump's hush money case
GOP rep suggests hush money scandal will 'blow over' for odd reason
I read the bogus letter GOP leaders just sent to Alvin Bragg so you don't have to
Stormy Daniels was right
Kevin McCarthy accidentally gives the game away on Trump's calls for protests
Trump’s arrest call to arms was bad. Kevin McCarthy just made it much worse.
Fmr. Watergate prosecutor: The whole world is watching our criminal justice system
Lawrence: Tuesday's worst legal news for Trump didn't happen in New York
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Fmr. Watergate prosecutor: The whole world is watching our criminal justice system
And laughing hysterically.
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MSNBC
Mary Trump: Trump would likely surrender if charged because he's a ‘coward’
Michael Cohen: Trump is melting down over imminent 'arrest'
Cause for grand jury delay is unclear, but here are a few potential reasons
The latest MAGA indictment delusion is a doozy
The MAGA faithful’s new indictment delusion
Asked about Trump, McCarthy’s attention turns to Hillary Clinton
The key reason the DOJ didn't prosecute Trump's hush money case
GOP rep suggests hush money scandal will 'blow over' for odd reason
I read the bogus letter GOP leaders just sent to Alvin Bragg so you don't have to
Stormy Daniels was right
Kevin McCarthy accidentally gives the game away on Trump's calls for protests
Trump’s arrest call to arms was bad. Kevin McCarthy just made it much worse.
Fmr. Watergate prosecutor: The whole world is watching our criminal justice system
Lawrence: Tuesday's worst legal news for Trump didn't happen in New York
And? What is the point of copy-pasting these headlines?
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And? What is the point of copy-pasting these headlines?
To highlight just how obsessed they are with him.
I find it both humorous and disturbing at the same time.
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Apparently these deep fakes are a thing this week. At some point, the line between trying to be funny and actively deceiving people is going to get too blurry.
Which, on the tangent, is to me just one more reason why we can't trust anything that we don't see in person with our own eyes. Technology is fast progressing from a boon to a bane.
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/03/22/new-york-post-says-chilling-deepfakes-of-trump-being-arrested-are-spreading-on-twitter/
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Apparently these deep fakes are a thing this week. At some point, the line between trying to be funny and actively deceiving people is going to get too blurry.
The right can't take the high ground on this since there are plenty of photoshopped images of Hillary getting arrested and in jail.
But I will say the quality is improving, still look somewhat fake though
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Unflattering fake images of politicians have been around since people first learned how to draw and paint pictures. When photography was invented, it wasn't long before people found ways to fake photographs. Computer graphics made things easier, and modern professional image editors and so called "AI" powered graphics programs have improved the quality of fakes beyond what's possible to someone with a home computer and photoshop.
Only the gullible (mostly but not exclusively Biden voters) will believe everything they see on the internet or on the TV news. The biggest issue is confirmation bias - if it fits the desired narrative, people will accept it as fact, even arguing for and defending it.
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Canceled again
Trump grand jury canceled for rest of the WEEK: Alvin Bragg facing even MORE questions as panel's vote on an indictment is pushed back to at least next week as he 'struggles' with 'weak' case
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11894273/Trump-grand-jury-returns-NOON-DA-Alvin-Bragg-struggles-weak-case.html
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Only the gullible (mostly but not exclusively Biden voters) will believe everything they see on the internet or on the TV news. The biggest issue is confirmation bias - if it fits the desired narrative, people will accept it as fact, even arguing for and defending it.
I agree on the second sentence. As to the first, obvious (because of other factors) fakes, like Trump and Hillary arrest fakes aside, I think deep fakes have progressed well beyond "only the gullible".
https://youtu.be/oxXpB9pSETo
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I agree on the second sentence. As to the first, obvious (because of other factors) fakes, like Trump and Hillary arrest fakes aside, I think deep fakes have progressed well beyond "only the gullible".
https://youtu.be/oxXpB9pSETo
Still need to work on the facial movements.
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Canceled again
Trump grand jury canceled for rest of the WEEK: Alvin Bragg facing even MORE questions as panel's vote on an indictment is pushed back to at least next week as he 'struggles' with 'weak' case
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11894273/Trump-grand-jury-returns-NOON-DA-Alvin-Bragg-struggles-weak-case.html
I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to think the DA doesn't actually have a case here.
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to think the DA doesn't actually have a case here.
That is what I am hearing. The evidence he has points to the lawyer Cohen, not Trump. Even if the crime isn't all that serious, he can't even tag that on Trump.
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Needs more time to properly
instruct threaten the grand jury members.
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I can't wait until this one falls apart.
I LOVE liberal tears... and this will produce floods of them.
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to think the DA doesn't actually have a case here.
The more they talk about it, the more I'm thinking that I don't see a crime - ANY crime - here, other than possibly prosecutorial misconduct.
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The more they talk about it, the more I'm thinking that I don't see a crime - ANY crime - here, other than possibly prosecutorial misconduct.
Cut the guy some slack. He grew up in the hood.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/23/busted-like-any-good-dem-alvin-bragg-lied-his-arse-off-about-his-privileged-and-elite-background/
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THEY GOT HIM NOW!!
https://babylonbee.com/news/manhattan-da-to-indict-trump-for-removing-mattress-tag-in-1997
Trump To Be Indicted For Removing Mattress Tag In 1997
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The more they talk about it, the more I'm thinking that I don't see a crime - ANY crime - here, other than possibly prosecutorial misconduct.
Making liberals cry is a capital offense
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Boomhauer, that just about killed me. :rofl:
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Where's my indictment? I was assured that there would be an indictment this week!
And now the grand jury has gone home!
And I don't have an indictment!
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I think Trump or his people were playing 4D chess again.
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Sometimes Trump should just keep his mouth shut
Trump warns of ‘death and destruction [that] could be catastrophic for our Country’ if he’s indicted
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/03/24/trump-warns-of-death-and-destruction-that-could-be-catastrophic-for-our-country-if-hes-indicted/
Trump shares illustration threatening Manhattan DA with a baseball bat while calling Democrat a 'degenerate psychopath' as he warns 'death & destruction' will come if he's charged in Stormy Daniels hush-money case
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11898561/Trump-warns-death-destruction-hes-indicted-week.html
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Sometimes Trump should just keep his mouth shut
Trump warns of ‘death and destruction [that] could be catastrophic for our Country’ if he’s indicted
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/03/24/trump-warns-of-death-and-destruction-that-could-be-catastrophic-for-our-country-if-hes-indicted/
Comment regarding people who are trying to support him:
He will always saw the limb out from under you. Always.
That's about right, whether you're a Trump fan or are just trying to support a guy being railroaded (or at least not support the system doing the railroading).
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OMG! I AM SO STEALING THAT FOR FACEBOOK!
CRY, LIBERALS, CRY! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Sometimes Trump should just keep his mouth shut
Trump should have kept his mouth shut ever since losing re-election.
And about 50% of the time before that. (If he had, he might have won re-election).
What an embarrassment.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Jq0QqK4k0
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The Manhattan grand jury deciding whether or not to indict former President Donald Trump will break for another month in the latest delay in the ongoing legal saga.
Trump indictment decision is delayed AGAIN as Manhattan grand jury weighing charges takes 'scheduled month-long hiatus'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11916411/Manhattan-Trump-grand-jury-set-break-month.html
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They got him now!
New York prosecutors looking to charge Donald Trump over 'hush money' paid to Stormy Daniels are also probing a $150,000 payment made to a former Playboy model, it is claimed.
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's team has questioned grand jury witnesses about cash given to Karen McDougal, who was Playboy magazine 'Playmate of the Year' in 1998.
McDougal claims she had a ten-month affair with Trump which began in 2006. Trump's office released a statement on Thursday branding the development a 'hoax'.
Trump grand jury investigates SECOND 'hush-money' payment to Playboy model Karen McDougal who claimed she had an affair with the former President – alongside $130,000 paid to Stormy Daniels
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11921423/Trump-grand-jury-investigates-SECOND-hush-money-payment-Playboy-model.html
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What with statues of limitations (https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Falibi.com%2Fimage%2Fpix_id%2F33996%2Fimage.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=3519707637c423cc94b2111068f23da6744a915e269fd2032d3c934e66593f20&ipo=images) being in place, was there ever any hope of convictions in these two cases, or is it all just process-as-punishment?
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Trump has been indicted.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-indicted-manhattan-da-probe-stormy-daniels-hush-money-payment (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-indicted-manhattan-da-probe-stormy-daniels-hush-money-payment)
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So much for the one month delay..
This should be fun
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Bragg got what he wanted, a check mark on his CV and a Liberal Order of Merit star. I doubt it ever goes to trial due to lack of actual prosecutable crime, but Bragg still gets to thump his chest and claim victory.
If I were a Dem/lib, I'd be seriously concerned right now. If I were the Biden family, I'd be terrified. What Bragg has done is establish the precedent of indicting a former POTUS for criminal activity prior to holding office. Once Biden is out of office, a conservative prosecutor could easily Hunter Biden Laptop data, deep-dip it in this new precedent, and have a far better chance at an actual conviction than Bragg does with Trump.
Brad
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Meanwhile how many millions have the Biden family gotten from the Chinese?
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Tinfoil in place, this sure seems like good timing if Trumpites decide to rally up and protest the indictment, so that the MSM can target them for "insurrection" and take the heat off the trannies and their day of vengeance.
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MSNBC is full orgasm mode. Says it's only the beginning.
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I was already tired of lefties meddling in Republican nomination contests. I didn't know I could be more tired.
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I was already tired of lefties meddling in Republican nomination contests. I didn't know I could be more tired.
From everything I'm seeing, the lefties badly want Trump to win the primaries. I guess they figure this will fire up his base?
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From everything I'm seeing, the lefties badly want Trump to win the primaries. I guess they figure this will fire up his base?
IIRC that was their strategy in 2016
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Bet he won't get a no cash bail
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We are already headed over the edge. I want to see a redstate AG take down Holder and Obama for Fast and Furious and then lets just take out the sitting president and vice president for the southern border. Let's burn it all down. SMOD is too slow.
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We are already headed over the edge. I want to see a redstate AG take down Holder and Obama for Fast and Furious and then lets just take out the sitting president and vice president for the southern border. Let's burn it all down. SMOD is too slow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm1p9mE9RBw
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Former President Donald Trump faces more than 30 counts related to business fraud in an indictment from a Manhattan grand jury, according to two sources familiar with the case.
Earlier Thursday, a spokesperson for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said the office has contacted Trump's attorney to "coordinate his surrender" for arraignment on "a Supreme Court indictment, which remains under seal."
"Guidance will be provided when the arraignment date is selected," it added.
Trump will likely appear in court early next week, his defense attorney said.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-indictment-hush-money-stormy-daniels/index.html
I think they'll drag this out all the way through the election.
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If I were a Dem/lib, I'd be seriously concerned right now. If I were the Biden family, I'd be terrified. What Bragg has done is establish the precedent of indicting a former POTUS for criminal activity prior to holding office. Once Biden is out of office, a conservative prosecutor could easily Hunter Biden Laptop data, deep-dip it in this new precedent, and have a far better chance at an actual conviction than Bragg does with Trump.
Brad
What this has established is that the transfer of power is extremely dangerous - the peaceful transition is supported by the idea we do not persecute the loser- when that goes away, why would the loser volunteer to be at grave risk? If they arrest Trump and put him in jail, there is a serious chance he will never leave- this is a gamechanger. There is now no reason for any president to step down, save by force.
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An arraignment on a "Supreme Court indictment"? Surely it doesn't have anything to do with the SCOTUS? A DDG search only brings up Trump indictment stuff. It must be bad journalisming.
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^^^No. In New York state, a Supreme court is the highest-level trial court that hears criminal and civil cases. It is not an appellate court. The highest-level appellate court in New York is called the Court of Appeals.
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What this has established is that the transfer of power is extremely dangerous - the peaceful transition is supported by the idea we do not persecute the loser- when that goes away, why would the loser volunteer to be at grave risk? If they arrest Trump and put him in jail, there is a serious chance he will never leave- this is a gamechanger. There is now no reason for any president to step down, save by force.
Welcome to Amerika, richest third world country on the planet.
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Welcome to Amerika, richest most indebted third world country on the planet.
changed it for you.
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I just read that DeSantis said that Florida will not participate in any un-American extradition. Molon Trumpe.
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Well, I guess I'm in good company by saying that Trump is not Trump. Trump is all of us:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1641611483120279554
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/31/glenn-beck-goes-nuclear-with-tucker-carlson-in-response-to-trumps-indictment-and-daaamn-watch/
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From everything I'm seeing, the lefties badly want Trump to win the primaries. I guess they figure this will fire up his base?
I also suspect this is a ploy of the left to make Trump the candidate again, which he will probably lose again.
Maybe that is giving them too much credit. But, intentional or not, I think that is going to be the result.
It would be nice if the Trump loyalist realized how miserably unelectable he is.
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Time to warm up the popcorn machine! [popcorn]
Woody :old:
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I also suspect this is a ploy of the left to make Trump the candidate again, which he will probably lose again.
Especially now, as they could care less about any justifiable charges against him. The #1 thing they want is the booking mugshot, which will be on display all the way to NOV2024. They get that mugshot for life, even if he's found innocent.
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It would be nice if the Trump loyalist realized how miserably unelectable he is.
The problem is that if he doesn't get the nomination, he seems quite willing to burn it all down either by running 3rd party or just lobbing bombs from the sidelines. I don't think Trump has a very good shot at winning another general election, but neither does any other republican if Trump is still around running his mouth.
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Especially now, as they could care less about any justifiable charges against him. The #1 thing they want is the booking mugshot, which will be on display all the way to NOV2024. They get that mugshot for life, even if he's found innocent.
Been thinkin' about that mugshot. If he's smart enough, he'll put on a big smile. After all, that picture is going to be part of his campaign literature.
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I agree, Dittohead.
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Been thinkin' about that mugshot. If he's smart enough, he'll put on a big smile. After all, that picture is going to be part of his campaign literature.
I will certainly give Trump props if he can 4D chess that thing.
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Been thinkin' about that mugshot. If he's smart enough, he'll put on a big smile. After all, that picture is going to be part of his campaign literature.
That is a very good point.
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That's not how it's suppose to work Nancy
The Grand Jury has acted upon the facts and the law.
No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence.
Hopefully, the former President will peacefully respect the system, which grants him that right.
— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) March 31, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/31/nancy-pelosi-accidentally-gives-the-whole-vile-plan-away-in-tweet-about-trumps-indictment/
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I will certainly give Trump props if he can 4D chess that thing.
Double points if he's wearing a MAGA hat. I presume there are rules against headwear for a mug shot, but he's a president, after all. He could probably get away with it.
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Double points if he's wearing a MAGA hat. I presume there are rules against headwear for a mug shot, but he's a president, after all. He could probably get away with it.
I'm sure someone will photoshop one in.
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Double points if he's wearing a MAGA hat. I presume there are rules against headwear for a mug shot, but he's a president, after all. He could probably get away with it.
I think it was Tom Delay that put on a huge smile for his mugshot, and wore a lapel pin that had some meaning as I recall. Trump would do well if he did something similar.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9771955
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(https://64.media.tumblr.com/1022e932f2ecbfa46df66225444da2ef/e398936ee72e408f-e0/s1280x1920/8d3dc7685e8aff842c6bf0dba3e7964b2d5d250f.jpg)
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Been thinkin' about that mugshot. If he's smart enough, he'll put on a big smile. After all, that picture is going to be part of his campaign literature.
Governor of Texas (Rick Perry, I think) dressed up in a nice suit, hair combed, and a smile for his mugshot. It was an awesome pic that he's probably proud of. Trump should do the same if he's allowed to.
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(https://64.media.tumblr.com/1022e932f2ecbfa46df66225444da2ef/e398936ee72e408f-e0/s1280x1920/8d3dc7685e8aff842c6bf0dba3e7964b2d5d250f.jpg)
Maybe but I don't think so. The lighting on the chic's face is wrong, and she looks like the one that was banging her whole dept.
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Maybe but I don't think so. The lighting on the chic's face is wrong, and she looks like the one that was banging her whole dept.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg)
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Maybe but I don't think so. The lighting on the chic's face is wrong, and she looks like the one that was banging her whole dept.
Well, she does get around..... bada bing.
bob
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No mug shot, apparently.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/31/trump-indicted-ny-grand-jury.html
Thinking about potential 4D chess moves, I wonder what would happen if Trump demanded the mugshot and handcuffs, with the argument that it would be done to an ordinary citizen?
My tinfoil self is telling me that they are skipping the mugshot for the very reason some of you pointed out: That it would actually be more positive for Trump than for the deep state.
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I can see it being a good move for Trump to insist on cuffs and a mug shot, and for him to smile and happily cooperate all the way through. It would completely deflate what that DA and his Dem bosses are trying to accomplish with the arrest.
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[tinfoil] The dems just want to get him where they have complete control over cameras and potential witnesses, a NYC jail house. [tinfoil]
Donald Trump did not kill himself
[tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
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Trump can't be cuffed, he has a secret service detail. Even if he has to spend the night or month in jail he will still have secret service agents as bodyguards - they will have guns
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I figured today was a good day for my Ultra MAGA t shirt.
Funny thing about Trump being indicted, but not Mrs. Clinton or any of the Bidens. Maybe that tells you who's really fighting fascism....
(Not sure Trump is fighting fascism. Seems like he's mostly crabbing at the governor, but you know what I mean.)
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The actual indictment is still sealed but, apparently, he's being indicted under criminal laws for paying Stormy Daniels hush money about an affair that he claims never happened.
What criminal laws does that violate? It seems to me that this boils down to a contractual agreement between Trump and Daniels (which I believe she has since violated). How is it any different from corporate non-disclosure agreements, except that this one was agreed to after the date of the alleged incident rather than before?
Disclaimer: IMHO Trump is lying. I think he probably did have a fling with Ms. Daniels. If true, that was a scurrilous thing to do, but on a personal level Trump is a scurrilous human being, so no surprise there. I just don't see how any of it gives rise to a massive grand jury investigation and criminal indictment.
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The actual indictment is still sealed but, apparently, he's being indicted under criminal laws for paying Stormy Daniels hush money about an affair that he claims never happened.
They are claiming 30 separate charges if I understand the news reports correctly. I can't for the life of me figure out how they could all be related to the hooker. Maybe they're throwing in jaywalking and littering.
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If the charge involving Daniels is the only one we're hearing about the other charges must really be nit-picking. Probably going to be a whole lot of WTF is that DA thinking!? when they're disclosed.
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If the charge involving Daniels is the only one we're hearing about the other charges must really be nit-picking. Probably going to be a whole lot of WTF is that DA thinking!? when they're disclosed.
This story says "document fraud" charges related to the hooker. Some stories say "counts" and some say "charges". I don't know the legal difference.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-arrested-news-updates-indictment-counts-new-york-rcna77595
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The latest that I heard on the teevee this morning:
The mugshot is back on. No handcuffs. It appears the judge is planning to issue a gag order so Trump can't talk about it.
At the same time this is going on, Secret Service agents have been called to DC to testify regarding Trump's handling of classified docs at Mar a Logo. No word on Brandon's garage.
Yup, totally no Third World politics to be seen here.
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Trump should insist on a mugshot and handcuffs.
And he should be shouting the "They are really after you, I'm just in the way!" the entire time.
I kind of think the left is just doing this to ensure he gets nominated again... to lose again.
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I kind of think the left is just doing this to ensure he gets nominated again... to lose again.
They are saying this out loud now. It's exactly what they want.
I have to say that I'm surprised that Trump is far, far ahead in all primary polls. I mean, it's very early yet, and DeSantis hasn't officially entered the race, but I would have at leas thought the Trump/DeSantis race would be much closer, and actually that DeSantis would be in the lead.
I saw that Asa Hutchison has just entered the race. If DeSantis doesn't run, and Trump is only running against "background candidates" like that, he will at this point absolutely walk away with the nomination.
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CNN Poll: Majority of Americans approve of Trump indictment
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/03/politics/cnn-poll-trump-indictment/index.html
Sixty percent of Americans approve of the indictment of former President Donald Trump, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS following the news that a New York grand jury voted to charge him in connection with hush money payments made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. About three-quarters of Americans say politics played at least some role in the decision to indict Trump, including 52% who said it played a major role.
Independents largely line up in support of the indictment – 62% approve of it and 38% disapprove. Democrats are near universal in their support for the indictment (94% approve, including 71% who strongly approve of the indictment), with Republicans less unified in opposition (79% disapprove, with 54% strongly disapproving).
94% Ds approve while 79% of Rs disapprove according to CNN.
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CNN Poll: Majority of Americans approve of Trump indictment
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/03/politics/cnn-poll-trump-indictment/index.html
I can't remember where I saw it, but yesterday saw a similar poll, except the numbers were almost exactly flipped, with a large majority of independents being against it.
CNN must have done their survey on reddit or something.
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I can't remember where I saw it, but yesterday saw a similar poll, except the numbers were almost exactly flipped, with a large majority of independents being against it.
CNN must have done their survey on reddit or something.
Polled their staff
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Meanwhile this DA has a history of letting murderers walk and trying to charge people who defended themselves with murder.
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It's Republicans who have "weaponized" this. ;/
Come on, man.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/03/jen-psaki-explains-how-trump-desantis-and-other-gopers-have-weaponized-alvin-braggs-indictment/
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It's Republicans who have "weaponized" this. ;/
Come on, man.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/04/03/jen-psaki-explains-how-trump-desantis-and-other-gopers-have-weaponized-alvin-braggs-indictment/
Standard practice at MSNBC is to report the exact opposite of what's really happening
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I wonder how many Democrats think he's being arrested for something to do with 6 Jan.
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This story says "document fraud" charges related to the hooker. Some stories say "counts" and some say "charges". I don't know the legal difference.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-arrested-news-updates-indictment-counts-new-york-rcna77595
My understanding is that Trump used campaign money to give to Stormy or used his own money but got reimbursed by his campaign. Something like that.
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https://thefederalist.com/2023/04/01/with-trump-indictment-revisit-20-times-leftists-melted-down-over-lock-her-up-hillary-gibe/
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My understanding is that Trump used campaign money to give to Stormy or used his own money but got reimbursed by his campaign. Something like that.
I have heard that. I have also heard the "crime" is very minor, they may not have actual evidence this happened, and evidence they do have says the lawyer paid it without directly billing Trump. The other side of it I heard is that most everyone who might testify against Trump have been untrustworthy in past testimony.
I guess we will see where this goes.
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I have heard that. I have also heard the "crime" is very minor, they may not have actual evidence this happened, and evidence they do have says the lawyer paid it without directly billing Trump. The other side of it I heard is that most everyone who might testify against Trump have been untrustworthy in past testimony.
I guess we will see where this goes.
What I have heard is the money should have been reported as a campaign contribution. Or something like that, anyway. It's some kind of mis-accounting or election campaign finance crime.
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I'm really hoping that they don't let him get Oswalded...
And... When does the mug shot come out? Better be grinning. I'd buy that on a T-Shirt...
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Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850K for her silence in 1996. However, he made the payment directly and not through his lawyer like President Trump. I guess that makes what Clinton did okay somehow.
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Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850K for her silence in 1996. However, he made the payment directly and not through his lawyer like President Trump. I guess that makes what Clinton did okay somehow.
Clinton reported the expenditure too, didn’t he?
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And the MSM vilified Paula Jones at every opportunity.
Stormy D on the other hand is being portrayed as a victim
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What I have heard is the money should have been reported as a campaign contribution. Or something like that, anyway. It's some kind of mis-accounting or election campaign finance crime.
But that is part of what I have heard. They are having trouble proving he paid any money. What I heard is that is why this case wasn't carried to trial previously.
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But that is part of what I have heard. They are having trouble proving he paid any money. What I heard is that is why this case wasn't carried to trial previously.
That, and they're trying to prove her silence was a campaign donation.
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Yahoo reports 34 FELONY counts.
An interesting point from the teevee: Unless someone from the DA's office leaked this to Yahoo, how did they get this information on a sealed case?
https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-trump-to-be-charged-tuesday-with-34-felony-counts-but-spared-handcuffs-and-mug-shot-001241750.html
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Yahoo reports 34 FELONY counts.
An interesting point from the teevee: Unless someone from the DA's office leaked this to Yahoo, how did they get this information on a sealed case?
https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-trump-to-be-charged-tuesday-with-34-felony-counts-but-spared-handcuffs-and-mug-shot-001241750.html
I’m amazed they aren’t perp walking him.
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I’m amazed they aren’t perp walking him.
It wouldn't surprise me if they did perp walk him anyway. Just out of pure spite from DA Bragg. The man is holding a major grudge against Trump. It's become personal for him.
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Yahoo reports 34 FELONY counts.
Bragg is just trying to stack as many as he can in hopes at least one will stick. My guess it at least 90% will be dropped on the first procedural challenge.
Brad
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I'd love to see the judge throw everything out at the arraignment and charge the prosecutor with judicial misconduct. I've been let down before, so no biggey if the judge capitulates. [popcorn]
Woody :old:
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I'd love to see the judge throw everything out at the arraignment and charge the prosecutor with judicial misconduct. I've been let down before, so no biggey if the judge capitulates. [popcorn]
Woody :old:
I would love to see the judge look up and say You're not Hillary Clinton! Where's Hillary Clinton? I was told Hillary Clinton would be here in front of me!
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It wouldn't surprise me if they did perp walk him anyway. Just out of pure spite from DA Bragg. The man is holding a major grudge against Trump. It's become personal for him.
I heard the Secret Service nixed that idea. Likewise, they nixed handcuffs as well.
Haven't seen/read the indictment yet since it wasn't illegally leaked to me like it clearly was to some in the media, but at this point everything I've heard tells me there was no actual crime except in the fevered imagination of the prosecutor.
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The leak is a felony. I'm sure it will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they did perp walk him anyway. Just out of pure spite from DA Bragg. The man is holding a major grudge against Trump. It's become personal for him.
Unless he just wants to help Pres. Trump win the primary.
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Yeah, it looks this is boosting Trump for the primary, unfortunately. =(
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Some rather interesting people
REVEALED: The terrifying rap sheets of the ten worst NYC criminals who were released again and again by Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg as he focused on indicting Trump
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11937951/The-10-worst-NYC-criminals-let-woke-Manhattan-DA-Alvin-Bragg.html
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A friend made a good point during lunch conversation... Given the floodgate this opens based on the precedent it sets, don't be surprised if legislation is introduced requiring non-Congressional indictment proceedings of sitting or former POTUS/VPOTUS to be presented to SCOTUS first. The case for indictment only proceeds if SCOTUS determines it has merit.
Brad
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No perp walk. Watching on tv and only a glimpse of Trump getting out of the car. No cameras in courthouse so won’t see much until Trump comes out of the place.
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Looks like it's been getting a little tense between the protest groups in front of the Courthouse.
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Looks like it's been getting a little tense between the protest groups in front of the Courthouse.
Speaking of, it's a bold, but maybe not bright move, especially during Holy Week, to compare Trump to Jesus.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/04/04/marjorie-taylor-greene-kicks-off-easter-early-by-comparing-trump-to-nelson-mandela-and-jesus/
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Speaking of, it's a bold, but maybe not bright move, especially during Holy Week, to compare Trump to Jesus.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/04/04/marjorie-taylor-greene-kicks-off-easter-early-by-comparing-trump-to-nelson-mandela-and-jesus/
Bold but not particularly bright moves are pretty on brand for Rep. Greene.
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Trump fits the definition of an Anti Christ.
Maybe we're closer to the promised second coming of Jesus.
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Trump fits the definition of an Anti Christ.
Because calling him Hitler is passe, I guess.
The Bible describes anti-Christs as being ostensible Christian prophets that “denieth the Father and the Son,” and “who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.” (I John, chapters 2 and 4, II John 1) It would take quite a stretch to make Trump fit that description.
That being said, what most people mean when they speak of “antichrist” is closer to the one the Bible calls the “man of lawlessness” (II Thessalonians, chptr 2). I guess Trump could be that guy. It would be ironic, given that no one can find any laws he’s actually broken. .
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Because calling him Hitler is passe, I guess.
The Bible describes anti-Christs as being ostensible Christian prophets that “denieth the Father and the Son,” and “who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.” (I John, chapters 2 and 4, II John 1) It would take quite a stretch to make Trump fit that description.
That being said, what most people mean when they speak of “antichrist” is closer to the one the Bible calls the “man of lawlessness” (II Thessalonians, chptr 2). I guess Trump could be that guy. It would be ironic, given that no one can find any laws he’s actually broken. .
Guess we find out in a year or two when all current cases are wrapped up in the courts.
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Now there's a mystery child
The highly anticipated indictment against Donald Trump can be revealed today along with a bombshell 13 page statement that lays bare how he is said to have falsified business records in 2017 to cover up hush money payments to squash three scandals the first time he ran for president.
Trump has been charged with 34, Class E felony counts of falsifying business records by allegedly misclassifying payments to his attorney, Michael Cohen, as being for legal services when they were in fact reimbursements for hush money bills.
The statement of facts also describes his 'catch and kill' scheme with former National Enquirer owner David Pecker, whereby his team of journalists and editors bought up unflattering stories about Trump to stop other outlets publishing them, before the 2016 election.
Three payments are described; the $130,000 to Stormy Daniels, another of $150,000 to a second woman believed to be Karen McDougal, and $30,000 to a Trump Tower doorman who said he wanted to go public with a story claiming he had a love child.
Read DA'S damning Trump dossier in FULL: Ex-President is accused of falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments and kill three salacious stories - including one about fathering a MYSTERY CHILD
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11939097/READ-Unsealed-13-page-statement-fact-against-Trump.html
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Oh, well here's your antichrist Trump.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-pens-his-first-prison-epistle-to-the-floridians
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I haven't read the indictment yet but is this a fair assessment?
Alvin Bragg was able to elevate the 34 counts to the level of a felony by saying they were to “conceal another crime” but didn’t include the crime he claims was being covered up in the indictment because “the law does not so require”
Sounds weakpic.twitter.com/NhNedGkEcQ
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) April 4, 2023
There's a curious omission in the Donald Trump indictment and statement of facts –
The specific federal law Trump violated. pic.twitter.com/bsM32x4jhn
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) April 4, 2023
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/04/04/da-alvin-bragg-doesnt-name-the-crime-donald-trump-was-trying-to-conceal/
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https://thefederalist.com/2023/04/04/putins-and-bidens-chief-political-opponents-are-now-both-under-arrest/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=putins-and-bidens-chief-political-opponents-are-now-both-under-arrest
And I thought the only thing they had in common was that they pretend to be fighting Nazis.
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I will vote for him, nothing in this or any trial can change that- the economy and scotus /nysrpa bruen/dobbs sealed the deal for me. I hope that if he does have some secret kid, that they have a good relationship .
I saw that any R that showed up was screeched at plus I was at work so didn't follow the circus .
No one at my job, populated by 95% blue collar, pays attention but 99.9% of everyone there is pro trump now.
The Spanish speakers are now 100% for Trump tho.
However, I am planning on switching from registered R to Libertarian
NV Republicans are always yearning for acceptance by the liberals, never have any spine, I am done with them and will only vote for one if I am sure they won't back stab on gun issues
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However, I am planning on switching from registered R to Libertarian
NV Republicans are always yearning for acceptance by the liberals, never have any spine, I am done with them and will only vote for one if I am sure they won't back stab on gun issues
Welcome to the dark side.
National Uniparty reps will also stab you in the back though, so keep an eye peeled.
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Oh, well here's your antichrist Trump.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-pens-his-first-prison-epistle-to-the-floridians
=D
Would that be the Anti-Christ or simple the Anti-Paul?
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Some are saying Melania has been MIA lately and that she's POed at Donald over this supposed lovechild.
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Trump fits the definition of an Anti Christ.
I just can't tell if you're being serious anymore.
Maybe we're closer to the promised second coming of Jesus.
No, I don't think Obama is running in 2024.
Some are saying Melania has been MIA lately and that she's POed at Donald over this supposed lovechild.
On the one hand, obviously, but on the other ... surely she knew what kind of dirtbag she was marrying. I can't imagine her being particularly shocked about that goober being unfaithful.
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On the one hand, obviously, but on the other ... surely she knew what kind of dirtbag she was marrying. I can't imagine her being particularly shocked about that goober being unfaithful.
That thought did come to me but everyone has their breaking point.
Could be actually nothing though with the MSM making a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe she just wants to sit this one out of the limelight for her own sanity.
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Of course if she does leave him what does that do to his presidential chances? Hurt, help, meh?
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Trump fits the definition of an Anti Christ.
Is my sarcasm meter broken? That statement sounds like it should be sarcasm.
If Trump was an antichrist, he would be a lot more popular, especially with abortionist, child grooming set.
Trump is charismatic ahole troll, and that is about it.
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Maybe she just wants to sit this one out of the limelight for her own sanity.
From recollection, it seemed like she tried to stay out of the limelight as much as she could while Trump was president. Smart woman. I wish more recent first ladies were like her, instead of pulling the "we are the president" schtick.
First ladies belong in the White House kitchen. First "gentlemen", when we get our first one, should only be mowing the White House lawn and taking out the garbage.
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First "gentlemen", when we get our first one, should only be mowing the White House lawn and taking out the garbage.
Why should there ever be a first one?
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Why should there ever be a first one?
There neither "should" nor "shouldn't". There will likely be one though.
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Because calling him Hitler is passe, I guess.
The Bible describes anti-Christs as being ostensible Christian prophets that “denieth the Father and the Son,” and “who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.” (I John, chapters 2 and 4, II John 1) It would take quite a stretch to make Trump fit that description.
That being said, what most people mean when they speak of “antichrist” is closer to the one the Bible calls the “man of lawlessness” (II Thessalonians, chptr 2). I guess Trump could be that guy. It would be ironic, given that no one can find any laws he’s actually broken. .
From what I heard on the TV this morning, there is no list or mention of whatever the statutes are that he supposedly violated.
Woody
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https://amgreatness.com/2023/04/04/seven-things-you-dont-know-about-the-stormy-daniels-hush-money-case/
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From recollection, it seemed like she tried to stay out of the limelight as much as she could while Trump was president. Smart woman. I wish more recent first ladies were like her, instead of pulling the "we are the president" schtick.
First ladies belong in the White House kitchen. First "gentlemen", when we get our first one, should only be mowing the White House lawn and taking out the garbage.
It is my understanding that she lost in court over the whole deal prior to that so all that would have done is got her into more trouble.
Was there ever any proof that he actually slept with that woman? All I ever heard is he paid a hush money settlement for her to go away and everyone seems to assumes the worst of whatever the rumor mill says about Trump.
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From recollection, it seemed like she tried to stay out of the limelight as much as she could while Trump was president. Smart woman. I wish more recent first ladies were like her, instead of pulling the "we are the president" schtick.
First ladies belong in the White House kitchen. First "gentlemen", when we get our first one, should only be mowing the White House lawn and taking out the garbage.
Remember Hillary basically acting like it was she who was elected from day one while Bill was busy picking out interns. It only got worse in term 2.
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From recollection, it seemed like she tried to stay out of the limelight as much as she could while Trump was president. Smart woman. I wish more recent first ladies were like her, instead of pulling the "we are the president" schtick.
First ladies belong in the White House kitchen. First "gentlemen", when we get our first one, should only be mowing the White House lawn and taking out the garbage.
And killing spiders, and opening pickle jars :laugh:
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There neither "should" nor "shouldn't".
There shouldn't.
Though a President Sears would be much preferable to whatever it is we have at present...
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Though a President Sears would be much preferable to whatever it is we have at present...
So would President Alfred E. Neuman.
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The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on Tuesday ordered adult film actress Stormy Daniels to pay former President Donald Trump almost $122,000 in legal fees, stemming from a defamation lawsuit she filed in 2018 against Trump that was later dismissed.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/appeals-court-orders-stormy-daniels-to-pay-trump-almost-122000-in-legal-fees_5172923.html
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There shouldn't.
Though a President Sears would be much preferable to whatever it is we have at present...
And why do you think there shouldn't be a female US President?
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What if Biden announced he was now identifying as a woman? Would they count him as the first woman president?
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The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on Tuesday ordered adult film actress Stormy Daniels to pay former President Donald Trump almost $122,000 in legal fees, stemming from a defamation lawsuit she filed in 2018 against Trump that was later dismissed.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/appeals-court-orders-stormy-daniels-to-pay-trump-almost-122000-in-legal-fees_5172923.html
Isn't that pretty much all the money she received to start this whole saga?
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/appeals-court-orders-stormy-daniels-to-pay-trump-almost-122000-in-legal-fees_5172923.html
Isn't that pretty much all the money she received to start this whole saga?
I'm sure the publicity has helped her ... ahem ... career in other ways.
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And why do you think there shouldn't be a female US President?
Even if a woman was elected as President does mean we'd end up with a "First Gentleman"
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And why do you think there shouldn't be a female US President?
The same reason we shouldn’t have female governors, senators, tank crews, or combat pilots. “Smashing the patriarchy” is (part of) what got us into this mess. We need more of traditional gender roles; not less.
That being said, I would certainly vote for a President Nikki Haley or Winsome Sears over a Gavin Newsom.
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The same reason we shouldn’t have female governors, senators
I won't go that far, plenty of quite capable Queens, Empresses, Tsarinas, etc... throughout history
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I won't go that far, plenty of quite capable Queens, Empresses, Tsarinas, etc... throughout history
Competence is not the issue. Plenty of single women have raised children on their own, and done a good job of it. Should they have been put in that position? No.
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I won't go that far, plenty of quite capable Queens, Empresses, Tsarinas, etc... throughout history
And they’ve been on average more warmongering than kings and other male heads of state.
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It's Trump's fault the DA is embarrassing himself
I need a drink
Professor: Donald Trump is to blame for Alvin Bragg’s ‘legal embarrassment’ of an indictment
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/04/05/professor-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-alvin-braggs-legal-embarrassment-of-an-indictment/
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Competence is not the issue. Plenty of single women have raised children on their own, and done a good job of it. Should they have been put in that position? No.
Apples to Oranges. Child rearing is a two (or more) person endeavor, so of course a single Mom is sub optimal. So is a single Dad. There's nothing inherent in the role of executive (PM, president, monarch, whatever) that makes the exclusive domain of males. Even if one wanted to argue that the personality traits that make a good leader are predominantly found in males there are plenty of qualifying females in a population as large as ours. Even several SDs out the bell curve is a lot of individuals in a population of 330 million.
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Apples to Oranges. Child rearing is a two (or more) person endeavor, so of course a single Mom is sub optimal. So is a single Dad. There's nothing inherent in the role of executive (PM, president, monarch, whatever) that makes the exclusive domain of males. Even if one wanted to argue that the personality traits that make a good leader are predominantly found in males there are plenty of qualifying females in a population as large as ours. Even several SDs out the bell curve is a lot of individuals in a population of 330 million.
As I said, it's not about competence. It's about right and wrong. Women are capable of leading (or fighting), but men should be doing that. We're failing them. They're filling in for us, when they shouldn't have to.
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As I said, it's not about competence. It's about right and wrong. Women are capable of leading (or fighting), but men should be doing that. We're failing them. They're filling in for us, when they shouldn't have to.
Deborah never should have been judge over Israel. God made her a judge because the men weren't doing the job; it was an indictment against them. (I don't remember if she did a good job or not, that's not the point; now I need to go read the book of Judges again)
I'm not sure how much that is still relevant today. It's not totally irrelevant, though.
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As I said, it's not about competence. It's about right and wrong. Women are capable of leading (or fighting), but men should be doing that. We're failing them. They're filling in for us, when they shouldn't have to.
The main argument against women’s suffrage was because they weren’t subject to the draft they didn’t earn the right to vote.
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Even if a woman was elected as President does mean we'd end up with a "First Gentleman"
What if the first woman to be elected President is a lesbian, with a female spouse? Then we'd have a woman as President, and we'd still have a "First Lady."
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Interesting take on the indictment from Ann Coulter: https://thespectator.com/topic/republicans-played-donald-trump-nomination/
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And why do you think there shouldn't be a female US President?
I was asked that question in a diversity class at work a long time ago. My answer then was "Jeane Kirkpatrick doesn't want the job, Margaret Thatcher isn't eligible for the job, and Golda Meir is dead."
The diversity facilitator was not pleased . . . I expected that, which was pretty much why I gave the answer I did. :rofl:
I can think of multiple U.S. women today I would much rather see in the Oval Office than Brandon. (Kamala Harris isn't one of them.)
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REVEALED: The progressive daughter of judge presiding over Donald Trump's hush money case in Manhattan who worked for Kamala Harris and Joe Biden - and is swirling speculation of bias against the ex-president
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11938591/Daughter-judge-presiding-Trumps-hush-money-case-worked-Kamala-Joe-Biden.html
Loren Merchan, the 34-year-old daughter of the Manhattan judge, is partner and president of Authentic Campaigns, a progressive digital firm, and worked on several high-profile Democratic campaigns – including for President Joe Biden.
No bias here.
They showed Trump social media posts that were in all caps. I love how they quoted that in the article and left it in all caps. =)
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"speculation "
Think we were pass the speculation stage a long time ago.
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Judge in Donald Trump Case Gets Dozens of Threats After Indictment
https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-in-donald-trump-case-gets-dozens-of-threats-after-indictment
Of course, the "threats" weren't quoted or shown. I am getting tired of that.
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Judge in Donald Trump Case Gets Dozens of Threats After Indictment
https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-in-donald-trump-case-gets-dozens-of-threats-after-indictment
Of course, the "threats" weren't quoted or shown. I am getting tired of that.
Wonder how many of these supposed threats actually came from Antifa/BLM/DNC operatives and supporters pretending to be ultra super duper MAGA Republicans. I wouldn't even rule out some of the 51 intelligence professionals who signed a statement that the Hunter Biden laptop was likely Russian disinformation.
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I also wouldn’t rule out some of those threats being that he better make sure Trump goes down, or else.
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Almost every pundit/commentator on the right that I have heard address the subject has said they get death threats pretty regular. Most just accept it as part of the job and report them occasionally. I wouldn't be surprised if the judge has received death threats for years and they just decide to highlight it now.
I imagine law enforcement could track down who is doing it and prosecute them if they cared to do it.
Just like law enforcement could track down all the SWAT'ing calls if they cared to do it. Unless someone dies, they don't seem to put any effort into it.
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Judge in Donald Trump Case Gets Dozens of Threats After Indictment
https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-in-donald-trump-case-gets-dozens-of-threats-after-indictment
Of course, the "threats" weren't quoted or shown. I am getting tired of that.
"Some people threatened me, so everyone who disagrees with me is bad."
https://thefederalist.com/2023/04/05/12-anti-trump-pundits-and-lawmakers-who-think-braggs-case-is-terrible/
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The main argument against women’s suffrage was because they weren’t subject to the draft they didn’t earn the right to vote.
You may be right, I don't know... but most of the anti-suffragette arguments I read were that women were going to try and displace men's roles, and force men into women's roles. And... they were right.
(https://preview.redd.it/us3st1fqpz071.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4b69a3c6fa192eff9501f1d8c83d89b61cd2d2c8)
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You may be right, I don't know... but most of the anti-suffragette arguments I read were that women were going to try and displace men's roles, and force men into women's roles. And... they were right.
Only the clean and high profile roles. I still don't see many women picking up my garbage or running the truck that empties the port-o-cans.
IMO, there is a still a separation, it is just choice.
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Fox legal analyst Greg Jarret points out that Bragg's charges are facially defective.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bragg-violated-trumps-6th-amendment-rights-refusing-disclose-underlying-crime-legal-expert
TL:DR version... In not naming the "other crimes" which elevated charges to felony level, Bragg violates the Sixth Amendment (the right to know what you're accused of). Motions to dismiss on this basis will carry lots of weight.
Brad
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Fox legal analyst Greg Jarret points out that Bragg's charges are facially defective.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bragg-violated-trumps-6th-amendment-rights-refusing-disclose-underlying-crime-legal-expert
TL:DR version... In not naming the "other crimes" which elevated charges to felony level, Bragg violates the Sixth Amendment (the right to know what you're accused of). Motions to dismiss on this basis will carry lots of weight.
Brad
You really think a Manhattan judge will dismiss the charges like that? He won’t care if it gets reversed instantly on appeal. There’s zero chance an elected judge in Manhattan will do anything to benefit Trump’s case.
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You really think a Manhattan judge will dismiss the charges like that? He won’t care if it gets reversed instantly on appeal. There’s zero chance an elected judge in Manhattan will do anything to benefit Trump’s case.
Agreed, but Trump's lawyer still needs to make the motion even if it is quickly denied. Then it is part of the record and can be appealed.
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Trump Boasts No Felon Has Ever Had This Many Felony Counts
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-boasts-no-felon-has-ever-had-this-many-felony-counts
WEST PALM BEACH, FL — Following a historic day when he was arraigned in New York on charges of 34 felony counts, President Donald Trump returned home to Mar-A-Lago and boasted that no other felon has ever been charged with this many felony counts in history.
"I am, without a doubt, the greatest felon ever charged," Trump said to a crowd of supporters gathered at his Florida home. "No other human being has received so many counts of so many felony charges, believe me. It's truly amazing, that's what people are saying. So many felony counts! So yuge!"
At publishing time, Trump was reportedly consulting with his inner circle to come up with a wide range of additional felonies he could commit to add to the list of charges, though D.A. Alvin Bragg would likely convert any violent offenses to misdemeanors.
:laugh:
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Guy Getting Mugged In Manhattan Takes Solace In Fact Prosecutor Is Locking Up Trump
https://babylonbee.com/news/guy-getting-mugged-in-manhattan-takes-solace-in-fact-prosecutor-is-locking-up-trump
"It definitely gives me peace of mind to know that they're focusing on Trump," said Jim Hargrave after handing over his wallet, car keys, and watch to a masked mugger who pointed a gun in his face. "With them going so hard after Donald Trump on what seem to be really insignificant charges, it really keeps the citizens of this city safe. You know, from the threat of falsified business records."
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At publishing time, Mr. Hargrave was unavailable for further comment due to being chased home by a screaming man waving a samurai sword.
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NBC Debuts New Show 'Law & Order: Falsification Of Business Records Unit'
https://babylonbee.com/news/nbc-debuts-new-show-law--order-falsification-of-business-records-unit
"Why should we waste time with Law & Order shows that deal with minor stuff like murder, organized crime, sexual assault, and other totally insignificant cases when we can go after the big stories like inaccurate business bookkeeping?"
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Babylon Bee is on a roll today
NYC Murderer Finally Thrown In Prison After Falsifying Business Records
https://babylonbee.com/news/nyc-murderer-finally-arrested-on-charges-of-falsifying-business-records
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Babylon Bee is on a roll today
"New York DA Asks For Trump To Be Frozen In Carbonite" (also the Bee, behind a paywall)
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Babylon Bee is on a roll today
Almost seems like they've discovered a 3rd joke.
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Fox legal analyst Greg Jarret points out that Bragg's charges are facially defective.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bragg-violated-trumps-6th-amendment-rights-refusing-disclose-underlying-crime-legal-expert
TL:DR version... In not naming the "other crimes" which elevated charges to felony level, Bragg violates the Sixth Amendment (the right to know what you're accused of). Motions to dismiss on this basis will carry lots of weight.
Brad
My impression is that Bragg seems to think each charge has the other 33 charges as the "other crimes."
I think that's what one of my high school math teachers called "circular logic."
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My impression is that Bragg's seems to think each charge has the other 33 charges as the "other crimes."
I think that's what one of my high school math teachers called "circular logic."
(https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Screenshot-2023-04-05-at-9.58.17-AM.png)
https://thefederalist.com/2023/04/05/12-anti-trump-pundits-and-lawmakers-who-think-braggs-case-is-terrible/
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I thought DAs like Bragg were failing to convict criminals because of ideology. The Trump indictment is making me wonder if Bragg just doesn't know how.
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Speaking of, it's a bold, but maybe not bright move, especially during Holy Week, to compare Trump to Jesus.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/04/04/marjorie-taylor-greene-kicks-off-easter-early-by-comparing-trump-to-nelson-mandela-and-jesus/
Why not? Obama's people did it all the time.
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Is Bragg playing 4D chess to get Trump the nomination to help Biden win reelection?
In essence, prior to being charged, Trump did not possess a comfortable lead. But, Bragg’s fiasco looks like it might have just secured the former president his party’s nomination before a single primary vote is cast. The ridiculousness of these theatricals, especially given their legal merit, indicates that there might be some insidious purpose at play.
If indeed this is the same out-of-the-box thinking that governed the Democrats’ strategy during the midterms, we could be witnessing a masterclass in subversive campaign strategizing.
I doubt that's his primary motivation but the overall game theory rings true.
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Is Bragg playing 4D chess to get Trump the nomination to help Biden win reelection?I doubt that's his primary motivation but the overall game theory rings true.
The trick to that is that the Dems still need to find a likable candidate that can run a halfway competent campaign, or else they will get 2016 again.
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The trick to that is that the Dems still need to find a likable candidate that can run a halfway competent campaign, or else they will get 2016 again.
They’ll just run the same game plan as 2020. They’ll win even if Kamala is the candidate.
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I think Bragg is just clueless, arrogant, and Trump-obsessed. That's the simplest explanation for what he did. Occam's razor and all that...
Brad
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I think Bragg is just clueless, arrogant, and Trump-obsessed. That's the simplest explanation for what he did. Occam's razor and all that...
I'm inclined to agree. It's just another case of TDS.
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They’ll just run the same game plan as 2020. They’ll win even if Kamala is the candidate.
Can't beat those ghost ballots.
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Bragg's request for a TRO against Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) has been denied, the same day it was filed.
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Can't beat those ghost ballots.
LOL, but tragifunny.
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They’ll just run the same game plan as 2020. They’ll win even if Kamala is the candidate.
The problem with the 2020 game plan is it required Trump to be president so they could blame him for problems, and Biden to be out of office, so he couldn't be blamed for problems.
After 4 years of Biden, and 4 years for folks to convince themselves Trump wasn't so bad they might have a hard time with that. Despite trumpeting "the most votes evar!!!11!!" that race was actually pretty close. A couple of R's paying a little closer attention to the electoral map and cheating campaigning more strategically and it could have gone the other way.
I guess we are all thinking it's too late to hope either party might give us a good candidate?
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If Trump survives to the primary he’ll be the candidate. At this point even DeSantis can’t knock him off the top spot.
On the D side, it will either be the incumbent house plant, or Gavin Newsom probably.
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My early prediction is a third party makes a strong showing and the houseplant or their proxy gets elected with well less than 40% of the popular vote.
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My early prediction is a third party makes a strong showing and the houseplant or their proxy gets elected with well less than 40% of the popular vote.
I know a lot of guys here don't like her, but I'll predict that if Tulsi Gabbard tries for an independent run, she will grab a significant percentage of votes. Whether that percentage will hurt R or D I cannot say. If it's Trump vs Biden, I predict she will get a LOT of votes. Still not enough to win, but close enough to make people take notice. I could easily see the latter going in the realm of 35/35/25.
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Even Perot didn’t break 20%, and he failed to win a single EV. Now that NB and Maine allocate by congressional districts rather than plurality takes all a strong indie candidate could possibly win 1-2 EV’s.
Any 3rd party or independent candidate can really only play spoiler. They can siphon off enough votes from one side to ensure the other side wins despite pulling potentially less than 40%.
Gabbard would pull mostly center-left votes. She’s very liberal on most fronts, just not bat-guano crazy. So she’ll lose the woke-left, but nobody that would even hold their nose to vote Trump will vote for her instead. If gabbard runs strongly she’d pull 10-20% best case, which would mean trump winning with 45-50%, to Biden’s 30-40%.
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The odds of ever seeing another Republican, let alone one that resembles a conservative, in the Oval Office are far too low to beat the margin of fraud.
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The odds of ever seeing another Republican, let alone one that resembles a conservative, in the Oval Office are far too low to beat the margin of fraud.
I disagree. The uniparty knows they need to keep swapping it around or the party faithful will notice something's up. They will make sure that a proper uniparty apparatchik wins the primaries and we will be back on path for swapping letters around every couple elections.
They might not manage this election due to TDS pushing Bragg to make him relevant, but Trump is old, and there's plenty of uniparty-right folks behind him.
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I disagree. The uniparty knows they need to keep swapping it around d or the party faithful will notice something's up. They will make sure that a proper uniparty apparatchik wins the primaries and we will be back on path for swapping letters around every couple elections.
They might not manage this election due to TDS pushing Bragg to make home relevant, but Trump is old, and there's plenty of uniparty-right folks behind him.
Unless the strategy has changed to that of goading the right into violence.
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I thought DAs like Bragg were failing to convict criminals because of ideology. The Trump indictment is making me wonder if Bragg just doesn't know how.
On that note:
U.S. District Court Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil, a Trump appointee, denied the request from Alvin Bragg for a temporary restraining order against Rep. Jordan. In the denial, the judge noted that Bragg didn’t even provide documents he should have to support his cause, including that “subpoena purportedly served on Mr. Pomerantz” as well as the “Declaration of Theodore J. Boutrous, Jr.,” which is mentioned in Bragg’s moving papers. Sounds like Bragg didn’t help himself, and the judge is chiding him for failure to have everything he should have had for such a motion.
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/04/12/judge-hands-desperate-alvin-bragg-a-massive-loss-in-his-effort-to-avoid-house-investigation-n730564
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I disagree. The uniparty knows they need to keep swapping it around or the party faithful will notice something's up. They will make sure that a proper uniparty apparatchik wins the primaries and we will be back on path for swapping letters around every couple elections.
The uniparty needs no such thing. Their success in the 2020 and 2022 elections proved that for them. The uniparty controls the elections apparatus for national level elections. They control the MSM and therefore the narrative that there is no fraud. They know the courts will back them on those occasions when they do get caught engaging in fraud.
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I know a lot of guys here don't like her, but I'll predict that if Tulsi Gabbard tries for an independent run, she will grab a significant percentage of votes. Whether that percentage will hurt R or D I cannot say. If it's Trump vs Biden, I predict she will get a LOT of votes. Still not enough to win, but close enough to make people take notice. I could easily see the latter going in the realm of 35/35/25.
Kind of the split I see. If it was something off the wall I would vote for it. Gabbard and Jim Justice or something.
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Number 2
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-indictment/?id=99913217
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Number 2
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-indictment/?id=99913217
And the indictments of HRC, Obama and Biden, et al are dropping in 3, 2, 1…
What? They’re not indicting the democrats who did as much or worse? Where’s my shocked face.
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And the indictments of HRC, Obama and the Bidens, et al are dropping in 3, 2, 1…
What? They’re not indicting the democrats who did as much or worse? Where’s my shocked face.
FIFY
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And the indictments of HRC, Obama and Biden, et al are dropping in 3, 2, 1…
What? They’re not indicting the democrats who did as much or worse? Where’s my shocked face.
Instead of thinking that way, think that now finally no elected official is above the law and it is time for people to start proceeding for the above forementioned people.
Aren't the Bidens currently in the middle of an investigation? I keep seeing news tidbits about an FBI probe.
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Instead of thinking that way, think that now finally no elected official is above the law and it is time for people to start proceeding for the above forementioned people.
Aren't the Bidens currently in the middle of an investigation? I keep seeing news tidbits about an FBI probe.
:rofl:
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:rofl:
It does happen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Traficant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jefferson_(politician)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson_Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaka_Fattah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrine_Brown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner
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Instead of thinking that way, think that now finally no elected official is above the law and it is time for people to start proceeding for the above forementioned people.
Aren't the Bidens currently in the middle of an investigation? I keep seeing news tidbits about an FBI probe.
The Biden family has been above the law for a few decades now along with others. None of this is new or even just involving the Biden family. The prosecutors work directly for the AG. They won't prosecute anyone in the Biden family.
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It does happen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Traficant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jefferson_(politician)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson_Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaka_Fattah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrine_Brown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner
You forgot at least one Democratic governor from Illinois.
And Hillary Clinton's not on that list. Oh, wait a minute...
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You forgot at least one Democratic governor from Illinois.
And Hillary Clinton's not on that list. Oh, wait a minute...
Geez never enough for you.
Perhaps the opposition wasn't smart enough or prepared enough to nail the Clintons?
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Instead of thinking that way, think that now finally no elected official is above the law and it is time for people to start proceeding for the above forementioned people.
Perhaps the opposition wasn't smart enough or prepared enough to nail the Clintons?
It doesn't appear that even you buy what you're selling. If no one is above the law, it isn't the Clinton's opposition who should be prosecuting their crimes, it's the enforcers of the law operating without fear or favor. The Clintons' opposition should have zero to do with whether or not they are investigated or prosecuted for their wrongdoings.
Yes, I understand that the status quo is Federal law enforcement which is happy to start massive investigations based strictly on wild, absurd, and entirely concocted allegations sourced from the campaign of the target's opposition ... at least from one particular side of the aisle, but that's not the way it should be.
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It does happen
Bullshit. There was a perfect opportunity for it to happen here. They had the choice of indicting the guy who was the classification/declassifaction authority when he removed documentation, or indicting the guy that stole classified documents when he was a Senator and VP and then claimed that his crappy garage was as good as a Class 5 GSA Security Container, so everything was hunk dory.
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It doesn't appear that even you buy what you're selling. If no one is above the law, it isn't the Clinton's opposition who should be prosecuting their crimes, it's the enforcers of the law operating without fear or favor. The Clintons' opposition should have zero to do with whether or not they are investigated or prosecuted for their wrongdoings.
Yes, I understand that the status quo is Federal law enforcement which is happy to start massive investigations based strictly on wild, absurd, and entirely concocted allegations sourced from the campaign of the target's opposition ... at least from one particular side of the aisle, but that's not the way it should be.
No, my point is with Trump having his days in court, that finally those who are above the law are no longer above the law.
Clintons were/are in the past now. I have yet to meet anyone, left or right that don't agree that the Clintons are dirty. They both were thoroughly investigated, maybe not to the snuff of members on here, but nothing was able to stick to bring up a guilty plea other than impeachment by the House. Supporters not are going to go after their members (turn a blind eye), so that's why I said perhaps the opposition wasn't smart enough or prepared enough to go after them.
I mean the left really thought Trump was going down over the Russian collusion, pretty much at the same level as the right thought Hillary was going down over the email server. Replace a few words and much of the same repeating sound bites were used. "Quid Pro Quo" or "Homebrewed server under the stairs", I think we all got tired of hearing that.
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Bullshit. There was a perfect opportunity for it to happen here. They had the choice of indicting the guy who was the classification/declassifaction authority when he removed documentation, or indicting the guy that stole classified documents when he was a Senator and VP and then claimed that his crappy garage was as good as a Class 5 GSA Security Container, so everything was hunk dory.
If I recall, this hit the news after Trump's docs were found, so those results of the investigation will be at a later date.
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If I recall, this hit the news after Trump's docs were found, so those results of the investigation will be at a later date.
They found Trump's docs after Obama left office. They found Trump's docs after Benghazi. They found Trump's docs after the Bidens made trips to China and Ukraine. You could write a book about all the stuff that happened before they found Trump's docs.
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They found Trump's docs after Obama left office. They found Trump's docs after Benghazi. They found Trump's docs after the Bidens made trips to China and Ukraine. You could write a book about all the stuff that happened before they found Trump's docs.
Does tinfoil cause hair loss, asking for a friend.
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Does tinfoil cause hair loss, asking for a friend.
Weak.
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Weak.
Whatever
Sorry that your poster boy is going down. Sorry all folks can say is "what about them".
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No, my point is with Trump having his days in court, that finally those who are above the law are no longer above the law.
Trump is a jackass and I have no doubt he has broken laws, but do you really think that him being indicted is a sign that "those who are above the law are no longer above the law"? Because I don't think you believe that. I think you believe that those you hate aren't above the law, which is good enough for you.
Clintons were/are in the past now.
So if Trump retired from public life tomorrow would you support these charges against him being dismissed?
Supporters not are going to go after their members (turn a blind eye), so that's why I said perhaps the opposition wasn't smart enough or prepared enough to go after them.
Yeah, I understand that people like to use their authority to go after their opposition and not after their own people, but again that is not in any way a sign of the evenhanded application of law you claim that Trump's indictment indicates. That's a sign that people with power are going to prosecute their enemies to whatever degree they can or will.
I mean the left really thought Trump was going down over the Russian collusion, pretty much at the same level as the right thought Hillary was going down over the email server. Replace a few words and much of the same repeating sound bites were used. "Quid Pro Quo" or "Homebrewed server under the stairs", I think we all got tired of hearing that.
Since you want to draw a comparison between the two, the Mueller investigation took 22 months and cost $32 million, was largely based on documents cooked up by Clinton's campaign, and didn't find evidence of wrongdoing.
The Hillary investigation took 12 months, was initiated because Clinton didn't comply with the Federal Records act, found evidence of criminal wrongdoing, and shrugged it off.
I never assumed Hillary would face repercussions for either her mishandling of classified information or any other crimes, but then again I'm also not strutting around claiming that now that Trump is indicted things are totally fair and aboveboard and no one is above the law.
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Trump is a jackass and I have no doubt he has broken laws, but do you really think that him being indicted is a sign that "those who are above the law are no longer above the law"? Because I don't think you believe that. I think you believe that those you hate aren't above the law, which is good enough for you.
So if Trump retired from public life tomorrow would you support these charges against him being dismissed?
Yeah, I understand that people like to use their authority to go after their opposition and not after their own people, but again that is not in any way a sign of the evenhanded application of law you claim that Trump's indictment indicates. That's a sign that people with power are going to prosecute their enemies to whatever degree they can or will.
Since you want to draw a comparison between the two, the Mueller investigation took 22 months and cost $32 million, was largely based on documents cooked up by Clinton's campaign, and didn't find evidence of wrongdoing.
The Hillary investigation took 12 months, was initiated because Clinton didn't comply with the Federal Records act, found evidence of criminal wrongdoing, and shrugged it off.
I never assumed Hillary would face repercussions for either her mishandling of classified information or any other crimes, but then again I'm also not strutting around claiming that now that Trump is indicted things are totally fair and aboveboard and no one is above the law.
I'd be fine if something else came up involving the Clintons that started another investigation or new evidence from the past. Trump pretty much has been untouchable until resent, and he may still remain untouchable if is found not guilty or acquitted. His "untouchableness" may fall, and I'm saying that this could be a catalyst that brings down other untouchable people.
I'm fine going after any retired politician, no matter how much time has passed since they stepped out of public life.
Time on an investigation really shouldn't be a meter of how well the investigation was run. Mueller even said in a nutshell (if I recall correctly) there was something there but really can't do anything about it. Comey in his offical report cleared Clinton of mishandling classified data if I recall correctly. Clinton and Trump both didn't want to play ball in the investigations, like most politicians seem to do.
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Whatever
Sorry that your poster boy is going down. Sorry all folks can say is "what about them".
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I'm voting for either DeSantis or Ramaswamy in the primary.
Trump IS a poster boy though. He is the poster boy for Everyman. We're seeing what happens to anyone who isn't part of the establishment. So it's funny that you as a guy who's always railing against the "uniparty", is so joyous about what the uniparty is doing to anyone who rocks their boat.
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... I'm saying that this could be a catalyst that brings down other untouchable people.
This is way, way less rational than the people who thought that the email server was going to take down Clinton or that the Mueller hoax was going to take down Trump.
I'm fine going after any retired politician, no matter how much time has passed since they stepped out of public life.
In that case I'm not sure why it was relevant that the Clintons were/are in the past now.
Mueller even said in a nutshell (if I recall correctly) there was something there but really can't do anything about it. Comey in his offical report cleared Clinton of mishandling classified data if I recall correctly.
1. The Mueller report did not establish any Trump campaign conspiracy with Russia. There were cases where Mueller said that Trump might or might not have obstructed justice. "While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
2. No, Clinton was not cleared of mishandling classified information. She was found to have mishandled classified information in a way that violates US law on a number of occasions, but the FBI didn't recommend charges for the crimes they found because they couldn't prove it was intentional ... even though - as I understand it - intention is not relevant to the crime.
But sure, maybe if they nail Trump then the rest of the corrupt politicians will go to jail.
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In that case I'm not sure why it was relevant that the Clintons were/are in the past now.
It was related to the whole "what about them" retort when their champion is being investigated. Seems to be the standard reply of Trump supporters.
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Instead of thinking that way, think that now finally no elected official is above the law and it is time for people to start proceeding for the above forementioned people.
If Trump is guilty of mishandling documents, I don't mind him getting in trouble over it... but your assertion is not accurate.
When is Biden going to be arrested for keeping classified documents from his VP days in his garage?
The "rule of law" in the federal government is that Republicans are prosecuted vigorously for real or imagined offenses, when the left gets off scott free, no matter what they do.
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Charby seems to have a fairly cherished notion of being a moderate, and objects to both “extremes”. Thing is, the left has gone soooooo far left that what used to be fairly mainstream right of center views now counts as extreme. At least to those who care about what legacy media claims is mainstream now.
Anyone that cares about the truth knows that :rofl: is the only reasonable response to his thesis on the rule of law.
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I'd be fine if something else came up involving the Clintons that started another investigation or new evidence from the past. Trump pretty much has been untouchable until resent, and he may still remain untouchable if is found not guilty or acquitted. His "untouchableness" may fall, and I'm saying that this could be a catalyst that brings down other untouchable people.
I'm fine going after any retired politician, no matter how much time has passed since they stepped out of public life.
So you think if Trump is convicted Garland will prosecute Hillary Clinton?
Time on an investigation really shouldn't be a meter of how well the investigation was run. Mueller even said in a nutshell (if I recall correctly) there was something there but really can't do anything about it. Comey in his offical report cleared Clinton of mishandling classified data if I recall correctly. Clinton and Trump both didn't want to play ball in the investigations, like most politicians seem to do.
No, Comey did not "clear" Hillary. What he did was to [illegally] derail the investigation. He basically confirmed that Hillary had knowingly and unlawfully kept classified documents on her private, unsecured, non-governmental server -- and then he said something to the effect of, "I used to be a prosecutor, and no prosecutor would take this case so let's call the whole thing off." He used his position as Director of the FBI to undercut the prosecutorial arm of the DOJ.
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Man, they better hope this works though. If it doesn't, and Trump is reelected, that guy can hold a grudge.
I can think of few ways to more effectively undercut a tradition of peaceful transition of power than to know your political opponents will try and put you in jail if you lose.
Can you imagine what Jan 6th would have been if Trump's speech had been "We need to stop congress, because if they win, they'll put me in jail over made up charges on stuff they do too."?
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In the meantime, get your "But her emails!" SWAG while you can. Quantities limited!
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/06/09/hillarys-too-busy-trying-to-capitalize-on-trump-indictment-to-care-that-she-now-looks-worse-than-ever/
110 e-mails in 52 chains contained classified information... Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret... 36 chains contained Secret information; and eight contained Confidential information" -FBI on Hillary's unsecured email server
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Charby seems to have a fairly cherished notion of being a moderate, and objects to both “extremes”. Thing is, the left has gone soooooo far left that what used to be fairly mainstream right of center views now counts as extreme. At least to those who care about what legacy media claims is mainstream now.
Anyone that cares about the truth knows that :rofl: is the only reasonable response to his thesis on the rule of law.
The funny part is that Trump IS a moderate. He would probably be called a Reagan Democrat in different times. He is just a New York ***hole at the same time.
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I wish Trump would open an abortion clinic, that also performed gender-reassignments for minors.
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So you think if Trump is convicted Garland will prosecute Hillary Clinton?
No, Comey did not "clear" Hillary. What he did was to [illegally] derail the investigation. He basically confirmed that Hillary had knowingly and unlawfully kept classified documents on her private, unsecured, non-governmental server -- and then he said something to the effect of, "I used to be a prosecutor, and no prosecutor would take this case so let's call the whole thing off." He used his position as Director of the FBI to undercut the prosecutorial arm of the DOJ.
If I remember correctly, the only reason for using the server was to avoid accountability for what she said or did over email. Which, we now know, was completely unnecessary. So it was a premeditated, ongoing crime, or more likely, a series of crimes. Also, there were multiple people involved in maintaining the server and domains, not to mention those who knowingly used her email for classified documents.
All of which sounds like a vast, right-wing left-wing conspiracy, to me. Or at least a medium-sized one.
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If stuff here is true, Trump did stuff as bad as Biden and Hillary. Including showing classified defense plans to randos at a party.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/06/09/unsealed-trump-indictment-paints-a-very-disturbing-picture-jonathan-turley-calls-it-extremely-damning/
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The problem is, we'd be fools to believe any of that. He's been accused of much worse, a hundred times, and the charges always fall apart. Always.
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The problem is, we'd be fools to believe any of that. He's been accused of much worse, a hundred times, and the charges always fall apart. Always.
Certainly. In the example I mentioned, it seems a "writer" provided the information. No name or associations. Also they seemed to be unsure if the document was secret or confidential. Confidential is a stupid classification level, IMO. I saw a lot of stupid stuff that was labeled "confidential" or "LE confidential" that was either unnecessary or that you could probably find with a five minute gazoogle search.
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In term of security clearances, there is confidential, secret, and top-secret. With further classifications like SCI, and SAP to restrict who, within the population of those basic categories can access certain information.
I’m sure there are people with a confidential level clearance, but I don’t recall ever meeting any. Secret level is the base level for aerospace defense contractors from what I’ve seen. TS is for those on programs that are especially sensitive.
I’m sure it’s different in the government, military, and 3 letter agencies.
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Then if Trump is guilty, I'm waiting for the government to arrest Biden for his document fiasco and stick him in the next cell.
Not going to happen, right?
That's the Democrat's idea of the "rule of law."
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So you think if Trump is convicted Garland will prosecute Hillary Clinton?
Be nice is there was some new evidence on different potential charges, but no. Now not so notorious Democrats, maybe.
Also the Biden investigation on his mishandling of classified documents is still on going, so maybe. If Trump actually gets charged, he'll probably have to push for the same thing for Biden if the investigation finds out Biden did the same thing.
NBC news yesterday
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-classified-documents-investigation-shows-signs-wrapping-soon-rcna88313
No, Comey did not "clear" Hillary. What he did was to [illegally] derail the investigation. He basically confirmed that Hillary had knowingly and unlawfully kept classified documents on her private, unsecured, non-governmental server -- and then he said something to the effect of, "I used to be a prosecutor, and no prosecutor would take this case so let's call the whole thing off." He used his position as Director of the FBI to undercut the prosecutorial arm of the DOJ.
Word for word from Comey's report
That’s what we have done. Now let me tell you what we found:
Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
I do disagree with Comey not suggesting it should go to a grand jury to decide if she should be indicted or not, but I don't run in the washington circles, so all I can do, like everyone else is well, nothing.
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I wish Trump would open an abortion clinic, that also performed gender-reassignments for minors.
Be fabulous if they have margaritas to go too.
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Also the Biden investigation on his mishandling of classified documents is still on going, so maybe. If Trump actually gets charged, he'll probably have to push for the same thing for Biden if the investigation finds out Biden did the same thing.
You know Biden will not be charged no matter how guilty he is.
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You know Biden will not be charged no matter how guilty he is.
I'm not predicting anything until the fat lady sings.
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You know Biden will not be charged no matter how guilty he is.
To be fair to charby, given his (Biden’s) age and health he probably won’t live long enough to see a conviction, or even trial. If somehow Trump (or any R) wins it’s doubtful he even live to be indicted. Since we know damn well no D admin will ever indict him.
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Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information,
She was SECSTATE. As soon as she set up her unsecure home computer not on the SIPRNet and transferred classified files, (or put TS files on ANY computer not JWICS), she absolutely knew she was violating the law.
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To be fair to charby, given his (Biden’s) age and health he probably won’t live long enough to see a conviction, or even trial. If somehow Trump (or any R) wins it’s doubtful he even live to be indicted. Since we know damn well no D admin will ever indict him.
And I will bet real money that if Trump were to publicly or behind closed doors make a deal to drop out of the race, his problems will disappear as well.
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And I will bet real money that if Trump were to publicly or behind closed doors make a deal to drop out of the race, his problems will disappear as well.
I doubt it, there is people on both sides of the aisle that don't want non-Washington insider to ever be president again.
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I'm not predicting anything until the fat lady sings.
She's a guy now
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I want to know WHY they kept these documents!
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I'm not predicting anything until the fat lady sings.
I think I’ll go with your earlier observation:
Supporters not are going to go after their members (turn a blind eye),
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If stuff here is true, Trump did stuff as bad as Biden and Hillary. Including showing classified defense plans to randos at a party.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/06/09/unsealed-trump-indictment-paints-a-very-disturbing-picture-jonathan-turley-calls-it-extremely-damning/
All there is is an audio recording with "rustling of papers." Hillary's trove of classified documents was there on her server, and in multiple e-mail chains, ripe for plucking by any moderately talented high school computer student. There's no question that Trump shouldn't have kept those documents when he left office, but is there any evidence that ANYONE read any of them after he left? He could have just picked up a folder with "TOP SECRET" on the cover, waved it in the air so people could see the cover, and then put it down on the table.
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I figure that the drudge report is a good judge of temperament of the nation on news, oh boy it sure doesn't bode well for Trump right now.
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I figure that the drudge report is a good judge of temperament of the nation on news, oh boy it sure doesn't bode well for Trump right now.
Except that Matt Drudge seems to hate Trump, so I expect him to feature the articles with the most unfavorable slant when it comes to Trump.
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All there is is an audio recording with "rustling of papers." Hillary's trove of classified documents was there on her server, and in multiple e-mail chains, ripe for plucking by any moderately talented high school computer student. There's no question that Trump shouldn't have kept those documents when he left office, but is there any evidence that ANYONE read any of them after he left? He could have just picked up a folder with "TOP SECRET" on the cover, waved it in the air so people could see the cover, and then put it down on the table.
And weren't the papers Trump had kept in a secure portion of Mar-A-Lago, which was in turn guarded by the Secret Service? Contrast that with Hillary's INsecure email server (which was hacked) and INsecure cell phones (which she or her people smashed with a hammer rather than turn over to investigators) and with Biden's papers which were stored all over the place. This includes classified documents which he illegally took when he wasn't POTUS or even VP.
But of course, they're Democrats. As was Sandy Berger who got a wrist slap for trying to steal classified documents from the national archive down his pants. (Or was it in his socks?)
And all of this is with the background of the Presidential Records Act, which some legal experts assert means that Trump having the papers was a "non crime."
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Except that Matt Drudge seems to hate Trump, so I expect him to feature the articles with the most unfavorable slant when it comes to Trump.
Trump and Drudge had a falling out some years ago and never really made up from what I've read. And Drudge supposedly sold the Drudge Report years back. It's not his anymore, and the new owners are behind the page's leftward drift.
There are unknowns regarding these two assertions, however. Matt Drudge is a very secretive person and there has been difficulty verifying this information.
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Trump Names Hunter Biden As His Running Mate So DOJ Will Stop Investigating Him
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-names-hunter-biden-as-his-running-mate-so-doj-will-stop-investigating-him
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/648381947babd648381947babe.jpg)
At publishing time, new vice presidential candidate Hunter Biden, who had last been seen passed out in an alley after a 3-day crack cocaine bender, was unavailable for comment.
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Except that Matt Drudge seems to hate Trump, so I expect him to feature the articles with the most unfavorable slant when it comes to Trump.
He may hate Trump, but The Drudge Report is still a clearing house of top headlines and obscure ones from around the globe, but mostly US.
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I figure that the drudge report is a good judge of temperament of the nation on news, oh boy it sure doesn't bode well for Trump right now.
You would be totally wrong, people that view drudge are very unusual - I work with one hundred people all week long, from manangement to maintanance - I am the only one that views drudge - most folks are either TV or tik-tok
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My prediction, (based on cynicism or being realistic, TBD) is they don't want to prosecute Trump, they just want him out of politics. It's using the system to punish an opponent. It's an abuse of power but a common one. If I'm correct, you will see the activity on this, both action on the case and reporting, ramp up exactly when the primaries start.
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My prediction, (based on cynicism or being realistic, TBD) is they don't want to prosecute Trump, they just want him out of politics. It's using the system to punish an opponent. It's an abuse of power but a common one. If I'm correct, you will see the activity on this, both action on the case and reporting, ramp up exactly when the primaries start.
Unless Biden's "Finish the Job" slogan means they have to re-elect him to get what they really want. He'll finish the job of sending Orange Man to the gas chamber, but only if you re-elect him.
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Unless Biden's "Finish the Job" slogan means they have to re-elect him to get what they really want. He'll finish the job of sending Orange Man to the gas chamber, but only if you re-elect him.
Or finish the job of selling out the United States to China.
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You would be totally wrong, people that view drudge are very unusual - I work with one hundred people all week long, from manangement to maintanance - I am the only one that views drudge - most folks are either TV or tik-tok
Drudge barely makes their own content, like I said it is a clearinghouse of news stories from around the nation and the world.
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Drudge barely makes their own content, like I said it is a clearinghouse of news stories from around the nation and the world.
But someone decides which stories they feature on the Drudge Report web page. For the entire four years of Trump's presidency, I don't recall The Drudge Report ever posting a link to a positive story about Trump. Any time there was a choice, he/they invariably chose the least flattering article.
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Drudge barely makes their own content, like I said it is a clearinghouse of news stories from around the nation and the world.
Drudge Report is a link aggregator and headline writer, but not a random or unbiased one. Drudge has always had a political leaning and that has always colored which stories they report and which editorial stances they link to. The political stance appeared to change significantly about 2019, but it didn't suddenly become unbiased.
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I think I stopped going to Drudge during the Bush administration. Been a while. I don't really consume news the same as I did then.
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Drudge barely makes their own content, like I said it is a clearinghouse of news stories from around the nation and the world.
I know that its an aggregate, I also know no one looks at it... very very few people look at any news except for TV local news after work, a half hour later they can't even recall what they saw.
the zeitgeist is not on drudge, its a bland song in your elevator
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If Trump is elected, he needs to immediately be impeached. ;/
These are not serious people. They're doing that thing again, where even though Trump isn't my guy this time around, they're pretty much forcing me to vote for him just for spite.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/06/12/eric-holder-proves-theyll-never-stop-going-after-trump-no-matter-what-n2374299
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How Will Donald Trump's New Indictment(s) Impact the Election? || Peter Zeihan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJY6C-IAS0
I saw this video. Two things he said that I hadn't heard others talk about.
1. He said Trump was sharing the classified material that he had with other people. I don't think I had heard that mentioned.
2. He thinks Trump will win the nomination, but independent swing voters will be scared of Trump and vote for Biden.
Any thoughts?
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Any thoughts?
I must be out of the loop or something. I'm still amazed that Trump is wiping the floor with the other candidates in polls by a ridiculous amount. I thought DeSantis for sure would be ahead, or at least close.
As I've said before, sadly, Trump has had his day, and if he is elected again, his administration will be mired in deep state dirty tricks and impeachments every other Tuesday. I just don't see a second Trump presidency being a win for our side. That said, I'll still vote for him over Biden, or pretty much any of the dem candidates currently speculated to run.
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How Will Donald Trump's New Indictment(s) Impact the Election? || Peter Zeihan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJY6C-IAS0
I saw this video. Two things he said that I hadn't heard others talk about.
1. He said Trump was sharing the classified material that he had with other people. I don't think I had heard that mentioned.
2. He thinks Trump will win the nomination, but independent swing voters will be scared of Trump and vote for Biden.
Any thoughts?
Don't believe everything he says. He drank the blue kool-aid and got TDS from it.
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I must be out of the loop or something. I'm still amazed that Trump is wiping the floor with the other candidates in polls by a ridiculous amount. I thought DeSantis for sure would be ahead, or at least close.
Could be that's what they want people to think hoping to discourage DeSantis supporters
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Don't believe everything he says. He drank the blue kool-aid and got TDS from it.
On domestic politics, you’re very correct. On global issues and demographics I think he’s still a good guy to listen to.
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I must be out of the loop or something. I'm still amazed that Trump is wiping the floor with the other candidates in polls by a ridiculous amount. I thought DeSantis for sure would be ahead, or at least close.
As I've said before, sadly, Trump has had his day, and if he is elected again, his administration will be mired in deep state dirty tricks and impeachments every other Tuesday. I just don't see a second Trump presidency being a win for our side. That said, I'll still vote for him over Biden, or pretty much any of the dem candidates currently speculated to run.
I have heard that while DeSantis is very popular in Florida and known for the Disney stuff there, he is less well known than Trump. Also, I think he appeals to some of the same base that is already supporting Trump.
IMO, DeSantis would do himself a favor by never mentioning Trump. Run against Biden and be the nicer clone of Trump without butting heads with Trump directly or even indirectly. Trump does well when he is counter-punching, but often makes mistakes when attacking himself.
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On domestic politics, you’re very correct. On global issues and demographics I think he’s still a good guy to listen to.
Thanks for the feedback on that. I only found him over the last month. Seemed to be knowledgeable about the international stuff. I guess I need to find other sources as well.
I have also had a couple interesting geography videos pop up as well. Mainly using geography to explain why many countries are the way they are. Made a lot of sense and not something I had ever heard talked about.
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Thanks for the feedback on that. I only found him over the last month. Seemed to be knowledgeable about the international stuff. I guess I need to find other sources as well.
I have also had a couple interesting geography videos pop up as well. Mainly using geography to explain why many countries are the way they are. Made a lot of sense and not something I had ever heard talked about.
Geography and demography are major factors in the fortunes (or lack thereof) in many countries. Culture too. Places that started out as British colonies have done substantially better than Spanish and Portuguese colonies because of the culture and degree of rule of law they brought.
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I saw this video. Two things he said that I hadn't heard others talk about.
1. He said Trump was sharing the classified material that he had with other people. I don't think I had heard that mentioned.
I have not heard or seen ANY reports -- not even from un-credible sources -- that claim Trump "shared" classified material with anyone. That's "shared" as in letting unvetted people handle the documents and actually read what they said. The reports I have seen seem to be limited to Trump waving a classified folder around a couple of times to impress people with the fact that HE had classified info, but there has been nothing as yet to suggest that he actually allowed anyone to have access to the documents.
(Other than leaving them in boxes strewn around Mar-a-Lago, that is.)
He did apparently talk about Milley's plan to invade somewhere, but I believe that was verbal, not allowing access to documents.
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Why 82% of Mexico is Empty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzgMePQvSdc
I think this was the one I saw about Mexico. I knew a little of Mexico's geography (in macro), but never considered how it impacted them compared to the US economically.
This one is about Mongolia. Not sure it is worth much time, but explains a little about what China has around them and why don't have the nearby trade partners bordering them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtTvgG-bKOo
That channel has a lot of odd ball topics like this. I saw one the other day looking at the geography of Europe, but I don't know who did that one.
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We are all outliers here, no one is paying attention to this at all.
I work with about one hundred welders/fabricators/machinist and assorted blue collar types and management/ engineers white collars.
No one is even aware of what's going on with Trump. At the same time Trump is wildly popular.
I am optimistic Trump is going to win.
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I have not heard or seen ANY reports -- not even from un-credible sources -- that claim Trump "shared" classified material with anyone. That's "shared" as in letting unvetted people handle the documents and actually read what they said. The reports I have seen seem to be limited to Trump waving a classified folder around a couple of times to impress people with the fact that HE had classified info, but there has been nothing as yet to suggest that he actually allowed anyone to have access to the documents.
(Other than leaving them in boxes strewn around Mar-a-Lago, that is.)
He did apparently talk about Milley's plan to invade somewhere, but I believe that was verbal, not allowing access to documents.
Wiki page as a bunch of news articles referenced on where info was shared. I haven't read it, just saw the bibliography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information
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There is one thing about Trump running again that has me concerned. If he were to win the upcoming election, there are two problems he is going to face and they will be a problem.
1 - If he wins, he is automatically a "lame duck" president as he can't ever run again.
2 - Being a lame duck, the Left will throw everything at him, regardless of legality, and make his life a living hell.
We need to elect a president that may be able to be re-elected in 2028 in the hopes that we can get 8 years of a reasonably conservative administration. If we can get those 8 years, the chances that the Left will try to "pack the SC" will be lessened as they will have trouble trying to get the jurists they want onto the SC.
Something to think about.
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I have not heard or seen ANY reports -- not even from un-credible sources -- that claim Trump "shared" classified material with anyone. That's "shared" as in letting unvetted people handle the documents and actually read what they said. The reports I have seen seem to be limited to Trump waving a classified folder around a couple of times to impress people with the fact that HE had classified info, but there has been nothing as yet to suggest that he actually allowed anyone to have access to the documents.
(Other than leaving them in boxes strewn around Mar-a-Lago, that is.)
He did apparently talk about Milley's plan to invade somewhere, but I believe that was verbal, not allowing access to documents.
In that Wiki article charby posted it mentions one specific shared document, and that was a high res satellite photo he had posted that showed damage to an Iranian launch site. There are other things, such as mentioning facts about the London bombing that hindered the investigation.
I don't know if the charges are for those examples or other stuff. I'm surprised the indictment was so soon, so maybe I'm wrong about them not actually going after him. We'll see. I do know that presidents (and congressmen) have gone public before with classified material to make a point internationally. I don't know if they're claiming this is different for some reason, maybe because he has orange hair.
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2 - Being a lame duck, the Left will throw everything at him, regardless of legality, and make his life a living hell.
We are at the point that they will do that to everyone that doesn't have a D after their name.
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Yeah, the lame duck part is a non-issue.
I’d rather have someone electable, but I’ll vote for Trump if he’s the nominee. I’ll probably vote either DeSantis or Ramaswami in the primary.
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I need to figure out who I'm going to support in the primary. I really don't want Trump to be the nominee; he's probably the only R who could lose to Biden.
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I need to figure out who I'm going to support in the primary. I really don't want Trump to be the nominee; he's probably the only R who could lose to Biden.
You underestimate the "fortification"
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I need to figure out who I'm going to support in the primary. I really don't want Trump to be the nominee; he's probably the only R who could lose to Biden.
All the R candidates would lose to Biden. The D team counts the votes in most states.
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All the R candidates would lose to Biden. The D team counts the votes in most states.
good point, I hope you're wrong / fear you are right
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A Canadian historian thinks that the American Civil War part two will never happen:
https://jamesfell.substack.com/p/sht-went-down-the-american-civil?fbclid=IwAR3c_chNBHx9_7mR3U2PGF_Bo7uanAGeVWeC7ieYJ2u_P1gmudSuwai_9Ac
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A Canadian historian thinks that the American Civil War part two will never happen:
He seems nice.
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Holy crap, man.
.@HillaryClinton: Republicans defending Trump on classified docs "beyond anything that I ever thought possible in this country"
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/06/14/democrats-would-have-no-standards-if-they-didnt-have-double-standards-n2384505
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We are all outliers here, no one is paying attention to this at all.
I work with about one hundred welders/fabricators/machinist and assorted blue collar types and management/ engineers white collars.
No one is even aware of what's going on with Trump. At the same time Trump is wildly popular.
I am optimistic Trump is going to win.
That is definitely something to remember as far as the timing goes. Lots of people out there aren't paying attention to political news and won't until Fall of 2024.
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A Canadian historian thinks that the American Civil War part two will never happen:
https://jamesfell.substack.com/p/sht-went-down-the-american-civil?fbclid=IwAR3c_chNBHx9_7mR3U2PGF_Bo7uanAGeVWeC7ieYJ2u_P1gmudSuwai_9Ac
I agree with him, a few true believers might riot, but the rest will post on the internets how much it sucks here, parrot their favorite "political" pundit, and scream Let's go Brandon a lot.
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Let's pray we don't reach the point where we're ready to kill each other.
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Let's pray we don't reach the point where we're ready to kill each other.
Meanwhile the peaceful side keeps wishing death on the other
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A Canadian historian thinks that the American Civil War part two will never happen:
https://jamesfell.substack.com/p/sht-went-down-the-american-civil?fbclid=IwAR3c_chNBHx9_7mR3U2PGF_Bo7uanAGeVWeC7ieYJ2u_P1gmudSuwai_9Ac
He may not be wrong about "no civil war", but he comes off as someone who gets all his facts from left wing media.
It is going to take a pretty big dose of tyranny for most Americans to decide killing people is the best path forward. Far more tyranny than we are dealing with now.
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Judge in Trump Documents Case Has Scant Criminal Trial Experience
https://dnyuz.com/2023/06/14/judge-in-trump-documents-case-has-scant-criminal-trial-experience/
I saw a claim that the NYT was investigating and going after the judge assigned to Trump's case in Florida. This was the article they linked to.
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An Indictment of the Indictment - Razör Rants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spakgqt7na4
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Rachel @Maddow suggests Trump can cop a plea to avoid jail, offering to drop out of the 2024 race pic.twitter.com/mwN55g7ia9
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) June 15, 2023
Rachel Maddow tells Joy Reid the quiet part out loud about the Trump indictment
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/06/15/rachel-maddow-tells-joy-reid-the-quiet-part-out-loud-about-the-trump-indictment-n2384533
Hmmm
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I agree with him, a few true believers might riot, but the rest will post on the internets how much it sucks here, parrot their favorite "political" pundit, and scream Let's go Brandon a lot.
I'm unaware of this guy, but a backlash is coming.
I doubt it would be a real civil war , perhaps something like the Kansas border conflicts pre Civil War might happen tho.
A backlash is going to happen, I am staying far away from any pride related events for instance - I would not bet against a mass killing of some kind. When/where/who/how? God only knows.
Back in 2013 I was saying here that the trans bathroom thing would mean perverts infiltrate women's locker rooms - now it is worse than I imagined .
That dad that had his daughter raped by a trans male in high school did not go off the deep end, but eventually the blatant double standard exhibited by the UNIparty/DNC will lead to perdition.
I was right in 2013 and I am correct now
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Leftist activists that get more violent first. They are the ones that are defining their enemies as less than human and claim their ends justify the means. IMO, that is why they don't want to release the manifesto of the Nashville school shooter.
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It’s definitely better for us if we make them fire on Ft Sumpter.
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I'm unaware of this guy, but a backlash is coming.
I doubt it would be a real civil war , perhaps something like the Kansas border conflicts pre Civil War might happen tho.
A backlash is going to happen, I am staying far away from any pride related events for instance - I would not bet against a mass killing of some kind. When/where/who/how? God only knows.
Back in 2013 I was saying here that the trans bathroom thing would mean perverts infiltrate women's locker rooms - now it is worse than I imagined .
That dad that had his daughter raped by a trans male in high school did not go off the deep end, but eventually the blatant double standard exhibited by the UNIparty/DNC will lead to perdition.
I was right in 2013 and I am correct now
I got one of books, so I'm familiar with his style.
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The American Civil ][.
It''ll be The Blue and The Gray again but this time that won't be their uniforms but their hair
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The American Civil ][.
It''ll be The Blue and The Gray again but this time that won't be their uniforms but their hair
WOW, that's a quotable quote!!
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Someone who isn't Trump was indicted for sharing classified materials.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/jack-teixeira-alleged-classified-documents-leaker-indicted-federal/story?id=100121877
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Leftist activists that get more violent first. They are the ones that are defining their enemies as less than human and claim their ends justify the means. IMO, that is why they don't want to release the manifesto of the Nashville school shooter.
Yes, and they will be held just as accountable as after the riots of 2020.
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Someone who isn't Trump was indicted for sharing classified materials.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/jack-teixeira-alleged-classified-documents-leaker-indicted-federal/story?id=100121877
So? Regular feds get sent up the river all the time for doing stupid stuff with classified material. We're talking about the elite politicians that get away with it.
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So? Regular feds get sent up the river all the time for doing stupid stuff with classified material. We're talking about the elite Democrat politicians that get away with it.
FTFY
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Apparently, The Trump campaign is demanding a pledge from rivals to pardon him. Well shucks, the campaign eat a bag of richards for that.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-demands-gop-rivals-pledge-222001118.html
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As much as I could see Trump doing that, you'll forgive me if I doubt an unnamed source that is talking to Rolling Stone.
Rolling Stone is more full of *expletive deleted*it than DJT, and that's a high bar.
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As much as I could see Trump doing that, you'll forgive me if I doubt an unnamed source that is talking to Rolling Stone.
Rolling Stone is more full of *expletive deleted*it than DJT, and that's a high bar.
I don't disagree, but someone probably talked from the strategy team at the Trump Campaign as they were discussing options.
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Or:
(https://media.tenor.com/7541zZRBbTgAAAAd/senator-armstrong-source.gif)
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Apparently, The Trump campaign is demanding a pledge from rivals to pardon him. Well shucks, the campaign eat a bag of richards for that.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-demands-gop-rivals-pledge-222001118.html
From what I have seen if you see a political story on Yahoo news, you can almost guarantee the headline is deceptive or an outright lie. In this case, I don't see that they quoted anyone from the Trump campaign. It was all media asking the question or other candidates attacking each other.
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A better ploy would be to promise to pardon the Bidens.
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A Canadian historian thinks that the American Civil War part two will never happen:
https://jamesfell.substack.com/p/sht-went-down-the-american-civil?fbclid=IwAR3c_chNBHx9_7mR3U2PGF_Bo7uanAGeVWeC7ieYJ2u_P1gmudSuwai_9Ac
That guy needs a bar of old-fashioned lye soap for his "mouth". :facepalm:
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The American Civil ][.
It''ll be The Blue and The Gray again but this time that won't be their uniforms but their hair.
That may be true of their hair color but their "uniforms" are going to be either all black or a "rainbow kaleidoscope". >:D
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Someone who isn't Trump was indicted for sharing classified materials.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/jack-teixeira-alleged-classified-documents-leaker-indicted-federal/story?id=100121877
When is Biden getting indicted for illegally keeping classified documents in his garage?
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A better ploy would be to promise to pardon the Bidens.
Biden can pardon himself after the election, that's assuming he even gets charged with anything.
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Biden can pardon himself after the election, that's assuming he even gets charged with anything.
Point would not be to actually pardon him necessarily. It would be to highlight his crimes and make him lie (and obviously so) about them. And to make the right look like they care about unity and not devolving into a banana republic.
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When is Biden getting indicted for illegally keeping classified documents in his garage?
Don't forget Hillary and her email server and destroying evidence under supena.
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Bill Barr on Trump in a recent interview with Robert Costa.
Asked if he believes Trump lied to the Justice Department, Barr said, “Yes, I do.”
Then he let loose with this.
“He will always put his own interests and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country’s interests. There’s no question about it. This is a perfect example of that. He’s like a 9-year-old — a defiant 9-year-old kid who’s always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table, defying his parents to stop him from doing it. It’s a means of self-assertion and exerting his dominance over other people. And he’s a very petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country’s, his personal gratification of his ego. But our country can’t be a therapy session for a troubled man like this.”
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Bill Barr on Trump in a recent interview with Robert Costa.
Asked if he believes Trump lied to the Justice Department, Barr said, “Yes, I do.”
Then he let loose with this.
Well, it's not every day you hear people say mean things about Donald Trump.
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Well, it's not every day you hear people say mean things about Donald Trump.
But this time it's one of his cabinet members.
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He will always put his own interests and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country’s interests.
This describes the current President . . . and most of Congress.
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But this time it's one of his cabinet members.
It's not the first one, is it?
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This describes the current President . . . and most of Congress.
Biden really does have all of Trump's worst qualities, especially the imaginary ones.
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This describes the current President . . . and most of Congress.
Even with all of Trump's flaws, he still looks like the better candidate compared to a lot of the other choices (and compared to a lot of the current members of Congress). That is both funny and sad at the same time. The main flaw of Barr's analogy is pretty much that. Trump isn't defying a parent. He is defying the main stream media and the political machine in D.C. Those people are just as immature and petty if not even more and definitely don't have the best interests of the country in mind. Trump comes out pretty good by comparison.
I have some respect for Barr for his willingness to step into the Justice Department mess when he did and attempt to clean things up, but outside of that, I have no idea what his politics are otherwise.
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Trump isn't defying a parent
From the leftist libtard's point of view he is.
The State is Mother.
The State is Father.
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The State is Mother.
The State is Father.
... in which case I'm an orphan.
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... in which case I'm an orphan.
Then you must take the sleeper drugs
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Then you must take the sleeper drugs
I will avail myself of Dr. Franklin's underground railroad, with my 3D-printed PPG.
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Non Babylon 5 fans are probably going "WTF are they talking about?" Sure a non fan will come along shortly and tell us how they didn't like the show. They're just as bad as vegetarians in letting us know. :P
I'll be in my bunker
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I'll be in my bunker
I'll be on the planet below.
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And I'll become the next inhabitant of the Great Machine. =D
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Former Ex FBI analyst gets nearly 4 years prison for storing classified documents in her home.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article276608961.html
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Former Ex FBI analyst gets nearly 4 years prison for storing classified documents in her home.
So, when's Biden going to prison for storing docs from his VP days at his house?
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So, when's Biden going to prison for storing docs from his VP days at his house?
His investigation is still on going.
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His investigation is still on going.
And it will be quietly closed without charges or indictment.
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So, when's Biden going to prison for storing docs from his VP days at his house?
If and when he's no longer politically useful and needs to be thrown under the bus
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His investigation is still on going.
We hear that answer a lot when they want to delay action until everyone forgets about it. We will see. Maybe in 2025.
In the meantime, they will continue to try to prosecute Trump. =)
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And it will be quietly closed without charges or indictment.
If Trump is found guilty in court, iy will pretty hard to sweep Biden's wrong doing under the rug. If Trump isn't found guilty, I would agree with you.
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If Trump is found guilty in court, iy will pretty hard to sweep Biden's wrong doing under the rug. If Trump isn't found guilty, I would agree with you.
Not when you got 90+% of the MSM doing just that. Most people are completely unaware of any wrong doing on Biden and family's part.
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I actually kinda agree with Charby here. If Trump is actually found guilty in court, half the country is going to want blood for the rampant double standard. If a couple hundred idiots were willing to storm the capitol because he lost the election, I can only guess how many will storm a courthouse if it looks like he's facing jail.
The Unipart can throw the mob a bone by sacrificing one of theirs. The obvious choices are the washed up harpy that couldn't beat Trump in the first place, and the senile octigenarian that forgot he was supposed to graciously deliver power to a diversity candidate in the second term. Of those two, I think Biden has less friends left in high places, and already has an investigation going. He's kinda the obvious choice.
However, I am more convinvced the power brokers will continue to attempt to avoid any accountability for their class at all. They will drag this out until they think they crippled the election (or until the election is over) and then have the prosecution make some procedural error that lets Trump go. They don't want him in jail, or even convicted, they just want him not in the White House.
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If Trump is found guilty in court, iy will pretty hard to sweep Biden's wrong doing under the rug.
Do you think Biden is going to prison for four years that the other woman you mentioned?
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Do you think Biden is going to prison for four years that the other woman you mentioned?
Nope, and I really don't think Trump would either if found guilty. Probably some sort of rlengthy restricted probation for either of them.
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Nope, and I really don't think Trump would either if found guilty. Probably some sort of rlengthy restricted probation for either of them.
The left groups Trump in with people like Hitler and nothing would please the mob more than to see Trump in prison orange. I don't think they could restrain themselves in not making it happen. They would probably even try to make it a holiday.
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The only agreement I can see them accepting for Trump is if he dropped out of the election. Honestly, if this indictment falls apart, I fully expect other stuff to be pulled out.
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The left groups Trump in with people like Hitler and nothing would please the mob more than to see Trump in prison orange. I don't think they could restrain themselves in not making it happen. They would probably even try to make it a holiday.
They’d hang him publicly like Saddam Hussein if they could.
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They’d hang him publicly like Saddam Hussein if they could.
Think they'll enjoy keeping him in there more as an example of what happens to people who oppose them and probably even offer money to other prison inmates to rape him. The modern left likes to watch their enemies suffer.
Coming soon to a Youtube channel near you. The Trump 24/7 prison cam
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I cannot think of a more corrupt federal agency at this moment than the DOJ. I imagine the DOJ has already given the judge her marching orders. "Trump will be found guilty. Make it so." What form the back channel coercion will take is anyone's guess.
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They’d hang him publicly like Saddam Hussein if they could.
... and if not, they'll pull an Epstein.
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I actually kinda agree with Charby here. If Trump is actually found guilty in court, half the country is going to want blood for the rampant double standard. If a couple hundred idiots were willing to storm the capitol because he lost the election, I can only guess how many will storm a courthouse if it looks like he's facing jail.
They aren't really trying to hide their double standard, they no longer care. They would probably love an angry response, it will give them another example of how those violent right-wingers are trying to destroy democracy and an excuse for more authoritarian crack-downs.
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And now indicted for Jan 6
BREAKING: Trump indicted, again, this time for January 6
https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2023/08/01/new-trump-indictment-n2385909
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And what a coinkydink - the judge known for going beyond what prosecutors asked for regarding previous people who went on trial (e.g., sentencing them to prison when the feds called for no jail time) just happens to be the judge assigned to Trump.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-judge-assigned-trump-jan-6-case-labeled-toughest-punisher-capitol-riot-cases
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As we get closer to the election, look for additional Trump indictments a day or so after there's another damning revelation about the Biden crime family. Jesse Watters examined the timeline.
March 17 - Hunter accidentally admits the laptop IS his
March 18 - Trump receives word he'll be indicted by Alvin Bragg in NYC
June 8 - FBI document surfaces alleging Biden took $5,000,000 bribe
June 9 - Biden's DOJ indicts Trump on Mar-A-Lago documents
July 31 - Devon Archer testifies, flips on Biden
Aug 1 - Trump "Jan 6" indictment
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The acceleration into being undeniably a banana republic is picking up speed.
Kakistocracy
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As we get closer to the election, look for additional Trump indictments a day or so after there's another damning revelation about the Biden crime family. Jesse Watters examined the timeline.
March 17 - Hunter accidentally admits the laptop IS his
March 18 - Trump receives word he'll be indicted by Alvin Bragg in NYC
June 8 - FBI document surfaces alleging Biden took $5,000,000 bribe
June 9 - Biden's DOJ indicts Trump on Mar-A-Lago documents
July 31 - Devon Archer testifies, flips on Biden
Aug 1 - Trump "Jan 6" indictment
Interestingly, I just tried searching for variations of "Trump indictment timing" as there are supposed to be more than three of these "coincidences". All I got was cheerleading stories about getting that Trump guy. While I still don't want Trump to be the nominee, I'm really rooting for him now. Which, depending on what you believe, is the dems shooting themselves in the foot again, or the dem plan all coming together.
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And what a coinkydink - the judge known for going beyond what prosecutors asked for regarding previous people who went on trial (e.g., sentencing them to prison when the feds called for no jail time) just happens to be the judge assigned to Trump.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-judge-assigned-trump-jan-6-case-labeled-toughest-punisher-capitol-riot-cases
More on her and a somewhat connection with Hunter.
DC judge who will oversee Trump's criminal case is 'toughest punisher' of Jan 6 rioters - and worked for a law firm associated with Hunter Biden
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12363639/DC-judge-oversee-Trumps-criminal-case-toughest-punisher-Jan-6-rioters-worked-law-firm-associated-Hunter-Biden.html
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This could get.......interesting.
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"You can indict a ham sandwich!"
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Democrats are trying to convince Republicans to nominate Trump. And the GOP is falling for it.
"Let's nominate a jackass loser because the Democrats are being mean to him!" ;/
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Related:
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp/2023/08/03/al-sharpton-cant-imagine-thomas-jefferson-trying-to-overthrow-the-government-n2385940
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Every time I start to think about becoming a registered libertarian or voting for Vivek, they turn around and trump up charges against the greatest President ever.
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Every time I start to think about becoming a registered libertarian or voting for Vivek, they turn around and trump up charges against the greatest President ever.
I’ll vote for whichever candidate the Rs put up, most likely. Pence, Hutchinson or Christie will likely result in a write in for SMOD though.
If the primary were today I’d probably vote for Vivek.
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I’ll vote for whichever candidate the Rs put up, most likely. Pence, Hutchinson or Christie will likely result in a write in for SMOD though.
Agree. I don't think any of them have a chance in hell though. They're riding on the "get Trump" train, which, even R's who don't like Trump don't approve of. I continue to say that Trump is "everyman" because of all these bogus charges. Any Rs that approve of these shenanigans are just dictators in training.
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Related:
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp/2023/08/03/al-sharpton-cant-imagine-thomas-jefferson-trying-to-overthrow-the-government-n2385940
Wow! That takes some serious cluelessness.
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I continue to say that Trump is "everyman" because of all these bogus charges.
I do not see how Trump resembles "everyman."
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I do not see how Trump resembles "everyman."
"Everyman", as in if they can do it to Trump, a rich, famous ex-president, they'll have no trouble doing it to us nobodies. When you even have democrats calling this out, you know there is something to it. This is banana republic level stuff.
Don't let your hatred of Trump blind you to the injustice of what they're doing to him, and the precedent it sets.
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Yes, that is a good point.
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there is a new guy at where I work ( metal fabrication )
African American, voted for Obama/Hillary/Biden ... now he is totally a Trump voter.
Except for one angry white guy, everybody is backing Trump .
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"Everyman", as in if they can do it to Trump, a rich, famous ex-president, they'll have no trouble doing it to us nobodies. When you even have democrats calling this out, you know there is something to it. This is banana republic level stuff.
Don't let your hatred of Trump blind you to the injustice of what they're doing to him, and the precedent it sets.
About that
Rep. @JasmineForUS (D-Texas): Republicans defending Trump "are getting dangerously close, in my opinion, to criminal culpability in and of themselves, as well" pic.twitter.com/wmRTbnV0qc
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) August 5, 2023
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/08/05/dem-rep-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-about-republicans-who-support-trump-n2386011
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1687817054596849664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Your gulag awaits
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I do not see how Trump resembles "everyman."
David Brooks just wrote an article in the payblocked NewYowk Slimes that may give you insight into how Trump, who is not an everyman, became the figurehead for the everyman.
I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”
The meritocracy isn’t only a system of exclusion; it’s an ethos. During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies (and perhaps didn’t go to Harvard Law) must be stupid.
Over the last decades, we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out….
It’s easy to understand why people in less-educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political, cultural and moral assault — and why they’ve rallied around Trump as their best warrior against the educated class. He understood that it’s not the entrepreneurs who seem most threatening to workers; it’s the professional class. Trump understood that there was great demand for a leader who would stick his thumb in our eyes on a daily basis and reject the whole epistemic regime that we rode in on.
If distrustful populism is your basic worldview, the Trump indictments seem like just another skirmish in the class war between the professionals and the workers, another assault by a bunch of coastal lawyers who want to take down the man who most aggressively stands up to them. Of course, the indictments don’t cause Trump supporters to abandon him. They cause them to become more fiercely loyal. That’s the polling story of the last six months…
But there’s a larger context here. As the sociologist E. Digby Baltzell wrote decades ago, “History is a graveyard of classes which have preferred caste privileges to leadership.” That is the destiny our class is now flirting with.
On Anti-Trumpers and the Modern Meritocracy, David Brooks, 3 August 2023
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
I saw it at Voxday
https:// voxday.net /2023/08/05/you-are-the-bad-guys/
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Good article Ron !
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They're not even hiding the banana republic stuff. Besides the judge, they could have at least made the effort to use different deep state lawyers that don't already have documented bias.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/06/julie-kelly-two-n2386039
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It appears a Georgia DA is now going to bring an indictment against him.
Banana.
Republic.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-attorney-expects-georgia-indictment-weeks-corrupt-da-wants-moment
This guy is going to end up being president again. Even MSM polls are now showing him even to ahead of Biden. Every new indictment is going to increase his numbers.
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This guy is going to end up being president again.
Nope. It's more banana republic than that. He's going to be denied bail for something, put in a jail cell somewhere (w/o his Secret Service detail), and murdered by the guards. Sure, that makes him a martyr, but there's no one to capitalize on it so it doesn't matter.
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Nope. It's more banana republic than that. He's going to be denied bail for something, put in a jail cell somewhere (w/o his Secret Service detail), and murdered by the guards "commit suicide". Sure, that makes him a martyr, but there's no one to capitalize on it so it doesn't matter.
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Nope. It's more banana republic than that. He's going to be denied bail for something, put in a jail cell somewhere (w/o his Secret Service detail), and murdered by the guards. Sure, that makes him a martyr, but there's no one to capitalize on it so it doesn't matter.
Nope. He's going to go out like Epstein. :O ;/ :facepalm:
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Nope. He's going to go out like Epstein. :O ;/ :facepalm:
That's what I said; murdered by the guards.
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Nope. It's more banana republic than that. He's going to be denied bail for something, put in a jail cell somewhere (w/o his Secret Service detail), and murdered by the guards. Sure, that makes him a martyr, but there's no one to capitalize on it so it doesn't matter.
You better pray that's a joke. If that happens it'll be open season on politicians for probably a million pissed off and/or disillusioned folks with rifles.
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You better pray that's a joke. If that happens it'll be open season on politicians for probably a million pissed off and/or disillusioned folks with rifles.
Yup. IMO, that would absolutely be "flipping the switch". I think there would be violence, perhaps not to the same extent, even if Trump were jailed (and alive) before the elections to keep him from running. That's dictator level *expletive deleted*it.
And again, not just because it's Trump, but because it happened in the first place.
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You better pray that's a joke. If that happens it'll be open season on politicians for probably a million pissed off and/or disillusioned folks with rifles.
I doubt it.
Despite the left's continual mischaracterization of the right, the people on the conservative side tend to be - by definition - the least likely to violate social norms. Hard to believe a rich, New York liberal getting murdered would be the trigger for mass revolution on the right. I know Trump has a cult of personality, but I think it'll take more than his death to get a bunch of gainfully employed dads and retired grandpas to load rifles and start killing politicians.
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I doubt it.
Despite the left's continual mischaracterization of the right, the people on the conservative side tend to be - by definition - the least likely to violate social norms.
Trouble is the left keeps inventing new social norms on the fly.
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I doubt it.
Despite the left's continual mischaracterization of the right, the people on the conservative side tend to be - by definition - the least likely to violate social norms. Hard to believe a rich, New York liberal getting murdered would be the trigger for mass revolution on the right. I know Trump has a cult of personality, but I think it'll take more than his death to get a bunch of gainfully employed dads and retired grandpas to load rifles and start killing politicians.
Honestly, I think that sort of thing has been pretty much bred out of the population. You might have a few folks on the left do that with sufficient provocation. But the right hand folks won't do it. Sure, there would be a lot of talk, but not enough people with the stones to kick things off in a meaningful way that wouldn't peter out before it really got going.
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Trouble is the left keeps inventing new social norms on the fly.
I'm not talking about leftist Social Norms of the Day. Murdering bad politicians in the US has been against accepted social norms since long before any of us were alive. That's not a new thing.
If it ever comes back into vogue it'll be unpleasant all around and more than just bad politicians will eat bullets.
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Honestly, I think that sort of thing has been pretty much bred out of the population. You might have a few folks on the left do that with sufficient provocation. But the right hand folks won't do it. Sure, there would be a lot of talk, but not enough people with the stones to kick things off in a meaningful way that wouldn't peter out before it really got going.
Just think about all the people in New Orleans in Hurricane Katrina's aftermath who opened fire on police - including out of state police - when they came to their doors and demanded they turn over their guns.
Oh, wait . . . :facepalm:
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Just think about all the people in New Orleans in Hurricane Katrina's aftermath who opened fire on police - including out of state police - when they came to their doors and demanded they turn over their guns.
Oh, wait . . . :facepalm:
How many people was that? The only one I remember was that old lady who was foolish enough to let them in her house. I thought most of the guns seized were from unoccupied homes and such.
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David Brooks just wrote an article in the payblocked NewYowk Slimes that may give you insight into how Trump, who is not an everyman, became the figurehead for the everyman.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
I saw it at Voxday
https:// voxday.net /2023/08/05/you-are-the-bad-guys/
That is a good article. I would modify one thing. It isn't just educated classes. I have an engineering degree. I really don't think they would want me in their club. It is the Ivy League schools that they are favoring plus a few more. It is that "ruling class" mentality.
On the violence stuff: Yeah, a lot of people won't want to get violent, but it really doesn't take a whole lot of people for things to get messy. And for it to work it only needs a decent percentage to turn a blind eye to things they may see. And if you didn't notice, that is exactly the same as what the ruling elite types are taking advantage of right now. Agreeable people in key positions who can harass and go after people and bankrupt them.
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How many people was that? The only one I remember was that old lady who was foolish enough to let them in her house. I thought most of the guns seized were from unoccupied homes and such.
There were several people interviewed on TV who, when told to hand over any guns they had in their homes, simply did so. Eventually this came to light, some people ratcheted up the rhetoric, and the practice stopped.
Lots of stories about it on line - here's just one of them: https://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america/
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There were several people interviewed on TV who, when told to hand over any guns they had in their homes, simply did so. Eventually this came to light, some people ratcheted up the rhetoric, and the practice stopped.
Lots of stories about it on line - here's just one of them: https://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america/
The problem is there are never any numbers to go by with stuff like that. How many people turned them over? I know they had a warehouse full of guns, but New Orleans is a big town. I have my doubts about how high the percentage was. We have always known there would be a certain number of people who will go along with the BigGov.
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That is a good article. I would modify one thing. It isn't just educated classes. I have an engineering degree. I really don't think they would want me in their club. It is the Ivy League schools that they are favoring plus a few more. It is that "ruling class" mentality.
On the violence stuff: Yeah, a lot of people won't want to get violent, but it really doesn't take a whole lot of people for things to get messy. And for it to work it only needs a decent percentage to turn a blind eye to things they may see. And if you didn't notice, that is exactly the same as what the ruling elite types are taking advantage of right now. Agreeable people in key positions who can harass and go after people and bankrupt them.
At PACCAR if you really want to move up the ranks of management you get an MBA or go through an “executive management” course at Stanford. At other places it’s a degree from MIT, or as mentioned an Ivy. My BS from Embry Riddle and my MBA from Western Washington University isn’t going to get me ANY consideration from the ruling class.
All it takes is maybe a couple dozen more or less independent people to really kick things off. I’m sure there are 20-30 skilled riflemen in the country with terminal cancer, or an ex-wife that won’t let him see the kids that also got fired from their job, or has no family/money to put at risk, etc.
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I doubt it.
Despite the left's continual mischaracterization of the right, the people on the conservative side tend to be - by definition - the least likely to violate social norms. Hard to believe a rich, New York liberal getting murdered would be the trigger for mass revolution on the right. I know Trump has a cult of personality, but I think it'll take more than his death to get a bunch of gainfully employed dads and retired grandpas to load rifles and start killing politicians.
Disagree. Or more correctly think you're missing how disaffected lot of late 20's to late 30's men are in parts of the country. You're correct that a bunch of gainfully employed dads and retired grandpas are unlikely to go hot over Trump. But an a OEF vet, whose wife left him and took the kids, and who is currently working as a bouncer for $16/hr, or one of the coal miners that has been out of work for a couple years, never had a steady girl and whose Dad is dead and Mom is strung out on Oxy? Those guys will look at a "suicide" in jail as the left firing the first shot, and making Politicians fair game again.
74,000,000 people voted for Trump in 2020. If 1/8th of 1% of them think Trump's murder is the start of the Boogaloo, then you'll have damn near 100,000 potential Oswalds. Not to mention McVeighs. Enough to form regiments and fight the Army? Probably not, but enough to make it pretty damn dangerous to be a Dem standing in a clear sightline.
And Honestly? If the Uniparty killed a former president? I doubt I would join them over Trump, but I'm not sure I'd help stop them either. If we're really at the point that our politicians are offing each other with Epstein levels of brazenness, it's probably time they were culled a bit to remember their place.
hence:
You better pray that's a joke.
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Babylon Bee warning
Trump Indicted For Mocking US Women’s Soccer
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-us-womens-soccer-defeat
Trump Charged With Questioning Election Results While Not Being A Democrat
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-charged-with-questioning-election-results-while-not-being-a-democrat
"We must be clear: no one who is a Republican is above the law."
The former President has also been charged with 6 other counts, including:
Removing a USB drive without ejecting it first
Going to McDonald's and getting a cup for water but filling it with Sprite
Wearing a National Park Junior Ranger badge without finishing the activity booklet
Pressing the 'credit' button on a card reader even though he was using a debit card
Clicking the box saying he had read the Terms Of Service when he really just scrolled through it
High treason against the media
At publishing time, Trump had pleaded "not guilty" on all charges on the grounds that he is actually a Democrat.
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Justice Department Swears Trump Will Pay for Biden's Crimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD-GEmea934
Andrew Klavan does a pretty clever narrative of the current situation. Only 4 minutes. =)
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Or more correctly think you're missing how disaffected lot of late 20's to late 30's men are in parts of the country. [...]
I know, I know, "if just a tiny percent decide to build a big igloo" and all that, but I'm also old enough to remember way back three years ago when the country took the biggest running leap at totalitarianism in my lifetime - something that made PATRIOT Act look like the Bill of Rights - and how a bunch of young guys with rifles didn't start murdering bad politicians. The closest we got was a spicy Capital tour and the FBI pretending to kidnap a governor. Even people who ordinarily love to talk big about killing cops and politicians instead just stared at their own feet and mumbled about why people shouldn't choose that hill to die on.
If Trump ever were to be merced in prison (which I doubt will happen), all the perpetrators have to do is give an Epstein-level of coverup - the barest shredded gossamer of a lie to tell ourselves - and my guess is that suddenly those hundreds of thousands of assassins will suddenly find all the reasons that this is not the hill to die on.
Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe my view of the situation is colored by my own personal dislike of Trump, I just don't see the fire of revolution being ignited by Trump's crucifixion.
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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
3 years ago we weren’t at that stage yet where the evils became insufferable.
Are we there now? Probably not. Would Trump being murdered (or Arkancided) in jail push us to that point? Maybe. Thing is you can’t really know what the breaking point is until it’s been crossed.
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You think things are worse now than at the height of COVID panic?
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You think things are worse now than at the height of COVID panic?
Is that directed at me? If so, not really. But, we know a lot more now about what they were doing to us at that time. As a result I think we are closer now than we were in 2020.
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You think things are worse now than at the height of COVID panic?
I suspect that's very regional.
For most folks I know in Central Florida the current economy and DOJ corruption is worse than the COVID panic ever got, because we didn't panic very hard.
The response to that spicy Capitol tour is more upsetting to a lot of folks than the election that engendered it.
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You think things are worse now than at the height of COVID panic?
Yes, every day the uniparty is in power it gets worse. While we are working and vacationing they are working at destroying the civilizations foundations and erecting more elaborate systems of oppression.
It's still amazing to me that there are no organized white hats in the system working to dethrone TPTB.
Probably my biggest disappointment are the military and intelligence communities. If there was going to be a white hat group it would most likely come from there, right? I've been disabused of that delusion and foolish notion.
The populist right is like the proverbial sheep without a shepherd. Trump is the only one out there successfully tapping into the right leaning populist masses. Sad, it's very sad.
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How many people was that? The only one I remember was that old lady who was foolish enough to let them in her house. I thought most of the guns seized were from unoccupied homes and such.
I remember seeing that video where a young, burly cop body-slammed this frail old woman into the wall. She was holding her revolver with the cylinder out and her fingers through the opening.
One of the other stories I heard about were some men that were stopped - IIRC - on the Lake Pontchartrain bridge by "authorities" and barred from going to their home in NO. When the men tried to turn around without giving up their guns, the cops opened up on them. I don't remember how many died but it was at least 2 of them.
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Here we go again. Is there an approval rating higher than 100%? Because this will create one for Trump. These people are whack, or else playing 742 dimensional chess that I don't understand.
41 felony counts:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-district-attorney-gives-trump-others-until-aug-25-noon-surrender
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/15/what-ga-indictment-has-now-made-illegal-n2386297
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I get the impression that once these people decided on a plan of action, doubling down is the only answer to the plan not working. I am sure someone is rethinking things behind the scenes, but we won't see it for a while.
Salty Cracker had a video this morning. Something about a rapper who did a "F*** Trump" song previously is now supporting Trump.
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Salty Cracker had a video this morning. Something about a rapper who did a "F*** Trump" song previously is now supporting Trump.
A former coworker on a cross country trip just left this morning after stopping by for a couple of days. He is (or was) a Santa Barbara liberal (almost as bad as a San Francisco liberal). We had some interesting conversations over cigars and whiskey on the back porch.
He is an independent now. His main drivers to that were the political, rather than scientific, covid restrictions in CA, and also what's happening to Trump. He does not like Trump, but has been able to see past that and understand that what these people are doing is destroying democracy and setting a precedent from which we may not recover.
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I get the impression that once these people decided on a plan of action, doubling down is the only answer to the plan not working.
Like the solution to higher crime after releasing a bunch of criminals is to release more criminals
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Like the solution to higher crime after releasing a bunch of criminals is to release more criminals
Or the answer to getting caught is often more denial and cover up.
I predict they will try to do more voter fortification in the next election. It would be amusing if Trump got 100 million votes this time, but the opponent comes out as getting 101 million. And the media would still claim there is no fraud.
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Just a glance is enough to see they're throwing everything they could pull out of their arse at the wall in the hope at least one turd sticks.
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We must throw more on to keep Trump from running!
Nader says there is a glaring omission in the charges, and says Trump should be additionally charged under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which could bar him from again running for political office due to having “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the United States.
Knew IT! Democrat says the quiet part about using indictments to keep Trump from running out LOUD
https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=post;topic=68204.450;last_msg=1409510
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And then there's this
BREAKING.🚨
Donald Trump doubles down after his indictment by announcing he will issue an "irrefutable" report on Georgia election fraudhttps://t.co/nYF61hW8Dw
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) August 15, 2023
If this isn't Trump just blowing hot air [popcorn]
Trump claims he has RECEIPTS to prove Georgia was RIGGED ... and he's planned the REVEAL
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/08/15/trump-hints-at-response-to-fani-willis-indictment-monday-night-georgia-election-n2386305
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And then there's this
If this isn't Trump just blowing hot air [popcorn]
Trump claims he has RECEIPTS to prove Georgia was RIGGED ... and he's planned the REVEAL
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/08/15/trump-hints-at-response-to-fani-willis-indictment-monday-night-georgia-election-n2386305
Trump (unfortunately) is always blowing hot air.
I doubt that he actually has any "irrefutable" proof, but I hope for once I'm wrong and that he does have something concrete.
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I know, why I made sure to put a if in there.
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NY Judge handing the hush money payment case donated money to Stop Republicans. Yes it was only $10 but it shows the judge could have an issue with anti-republican bias in the case.
Plus there's an issue with his daughter's connections.
The Manhattan judge handling the hush money payments case against former President Trump has refused to recuse himself from the case following a request from Trump's legal team.
Judge Juan Merchan affirmed his ability to be "fair and impartial" in an opinion rejecting arguments from Trump's legal team stating that he should recuse himself. Trump's lawyers had pointed to small donations Merchan made to Democratic causes for the 2020 election.
The case against Trump relates to alleged hush money he paid to pornography actress Stormy Daniels ahead of his 2016 presidential campaign.
Merchan donated $15 to then-candidate Joe Biden’s campaign, $10 to the Progressive Turnout Project and $10 to Stop Republicans during the 2020 election cycle.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-attorneys-file-motion-calling-judge-recuse-himself-citing-conflict-interest
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I doubt that he actually has any "irrefutable" proof, but I hope for once I'm wrong and that he does have something concrete.
I agree completely. If there was ballot stuffing, etc, I'd love to see concrete proof. There large amounts of proof of the government illegally suppression information about Biden's corruption during the election, but I haven't seen similar proof of voter fraud.
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White House Assures Americans We're Not A Banana Republic, We're A Democratic Banana Republic
https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-assures-americans-were-not-a-banana-republic-were-a-democratic-banana-republic
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White House Assures Americans We're Not A Banana Republic, We're A Democratic Banana Republic
https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-assures-americans-were-not-a-banana-republic-were-a-democratic-banana-republic
At publishing time, the White House continued to deny allegations that the country has fallen to the level of a banana republic and threatened to jail anyone who claimed otherwise.
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Trump trial date in Georgia to be the day before Super Tuesday.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/08/16/fulton-county-das-requested-trump-trial-date-again-proves-this-is-all-about-politics-n2386344
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I agree completely. If there was ballot stuffing, etc, I'd love to see concrete proof. There large amounts of proof of the government illegally suppression information about Biden's corruption during the election, but I haven't seen similar proof of voter fraud.
IMO, there have been numerous examples of fraud showing that people/groups were committing voter fraud with illegal registrations and illegal votes and ballot box stuffing. However, I don't think anyone has been able to get access to do full bore audits to find the irrefutable proof you want or get hard numbers. I know in Arizona the Democrats fought like hell in court to block anyone from doing signature matching or other detailed checks. I don't recall any of the controversial counties doing full audits or 3rd parties allowed to dig through all the ballots.
Maybe the question is what sort of proof do you want to see?
Also, regardless of what "proof" there is, for this case it only matters what the judge will allow at trial. All the judge has to do is find a reason to throw out anything Trump's team submits.
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The USA elections are severely compromised.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/report-nationwide-cellular-network-connects-election-equipment-gives/
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I agree completely. If there was ballot stuffing, etc, I'd love to see concrete proof. There large amounts of proof of the government illegally suppression information about Biden's corruption during the election, but I haven't seen similar proof of voter fraud.
Trump claims he has proof of fraud in Georgia, and I read enough at the time to feel certain that there was massive fraud in Philadelphia. But proof? As 230RN has written more than once, without evidence you have no proof, and without an investigation, you have no evidence. The fix was in. The powers that be loudly proclaimed there was NO voter fraud, so therefore there was no investigation. So now they can proclaim that there's no [credible] evidence of election fraud. Of course there isn't -- now. They've had almost three years to bury the evidence.
I don't think there's any question that there was large-scale election fraud in many major cities in the 2020 presidential election. Was it enough to swing the election, as Trump claims? I don't know. We'll never know ... because it wasn't properly investigated, and it's now far to late to try to investigate it.
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Sure, Biden just got more votes than Obama, Hillary, or Trump, or any other candidate in history, all without ever campaigning, or leaving the basement, or having more than ten people show up to an event.
Just reading some posts here defending our system makes my head hurt.
How bad does it have to get before you stop giving the benefit of the doubt to the liars running everything?
None of the social movements we've been subjected to in our lives were organic, they've been foisted upon the culture. Political power is far too valuable to be in the hands of the electorate. All you get is a show, and the show sucks.
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Sure, Biden just got more votes than Obama, Hillary, or Trump, or any other candidate in history, all without ever campaigning, or leaving the basement, or having more than ten people show up to an event.
He didn't need to, the MSM campaigned for him 24/7 and still is.
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Sure, Biden just got more votes than Obama, Hillary, or Trump, or any other candidate in history, all without ever campaigning, or leaving the basement, or having more than ten people show up to an event.
I dunno, but massive amounts of mail in voting may have done it. Voter participation is typically low, because voting takes effort. Poorly motivated voters usually vote for Democrats, if they can be persuaded to vote by decreasing the effort required. Various states pushed mail in voting, and voter participation increased...
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I dunno, but massive amounts of mail in voting may have done it. Voter participation is typically low, because voting takes effort. Poorly motivated voters usually vote for Democrats, if they can be persuaded to vote by decreasing the effort required. Various states pushed mail in voting, and voter participation increased...
Poorly motivated republican voters usually just don't bother and the MSM knows that.
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Judge shopping at its best?
Anyone hear about that premature indictment against Trump and the others handed down in GA with a case number and a judge assigned PRIOR to the conclusion of the Grand Jury? Then that "case" being dismissed at the release of the Grand Jury Indictment? Sounds to me like the next judge in line was a better pick for the DA. It's a neat trick if one can get away with it.
Woody
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Georgia Indicts Millions Of Voters For Conspiring To Elect Trump
https://babylonbee.com/news/georgia-indicts-every-trump-voter-for-conspiring-to-elect-an-election-denier
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stop giving the benefit of the doubt to the liars
Same goes for the grifters promising proof of election fraud. Sydney Powell never released her "kraken", Mike Lindell never released his PCAPs, True the Vote never released their "mule" data and I doubt Trump is ever going to release his irrefutable proof. If it existed it would already be out there. He may hold his press conference but anything concrete and verifiable will always be 2 weeks away, like his perfect Obamacare replacement plan.
Poorly motivated republican voters usually just don't bother and the MSM knows that.
Why bother voting if it's all rigged anyway? It frustrates me that the stolen election obsession is giving more people a reason to not bother voting. There's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.
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Same goes for the grifters promising proof of election fraud. Sydney Powell never released her "kraken", Mike Lindell never released his PCAPs, True the Vote never released their "mule" data and I doubt Trump is ever going to release his irrefutable proof. If it existed it would already be out there. He may hold his press conference but anything concrete and verifiable will always be 2 weeks away, like his perfect Obamacare replacement plan.
Why bother voting if it's all rigged anyway? It frustrates me that the stolen election obsession is giving more people a reason to not bother voting. There's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.
Indeed, liars need to be ignored, mocked and sidelined.
Instead they are running everything.
Having said that, we can always count on you to shoot to the right :laugh:
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Why bother voting if it's all rigged anyway? It frustrates me that the stolen election obsession is giving more people a reason to not bother voting. There's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there.
We have to vote harder :rofl:
The system is FUBAR, we aren't going to vote our way out of this. To not see it and to not acknowledge it is just whistling past the grave yard. Nothing works the way we have been told it works. Representative government in the USA is a façade, ie a lie.
We've literally been conditioned to live in a state of cognitive dissonance. I may not have all the answers or even the right answers but I don't have to accept the false narratives and lies.
Maybe it's a worldwide conspiracy, maybe it's multiple conspiracies in competition with each other, maybe it's all just individual grifters all bleeding the system, who knows? You know what it definitely isn't? What it is presented as, representation government in a constitutional republic. That is not how things are working and I refuse to pretend otherwise.
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"Riggers" y'all.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1692214287614324833
Related, Trump is backtracking on his "irrefutable evidence".
https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2023/08/17/trump-calls-off-his-monday-press-conference-on-stolen-election-n2386392
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"Riggers" y'all.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1692214287614324833
All the online dictionaries will have their definitions updated by noon.
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Related, Trump is backtracking on his "irrefutable evidence".
Of course he is.
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Related, Trump is backtracking on his "irrefutable evidence".
https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2023/08/17/trump-calls-off-his-monday-press-conference-on-stolen-election-n2386392
Of course he is.
Part that bugs the crap out me about Trump the most, making big claims like that then nothing. Lock her up! and all that.
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Watching and reading the news appears to be designed to make us misinformed, stupid and depressed.
My buddy calls it the daily humiliation ritual.
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Watching and reading the news appears to be designed to make us misinformed, stupid and depressed.
My buddy calls it the daily humiliation ritual.
I get most of my news from the Babylon Bee. Seriously. If a story looks interesting I'll look it up on real "news" sites, but BB usually has the right perspective, they just take it too far for comic effect.
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I get most of my news from the Babylon Bee. Seriously. If a story looks interesting I'll look it up on real "news" sites, but BB usually has the right perspective, they just take it too far for comic effect.
Usually becomes reality in a week or two. They manage to stay ahead of the dems for the most part but barely.
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The system is FUBAR, we aren't going to vote our way out of this.
But you vote anyway, right?
I'd have to be 100% sure it was meaningless to not bother voting, but I think there are plenty of people out there who won't vote now based on suspicions and over-hyped "proof" - and they aren't democrats.
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But you vote anyway, right?
I'd have to be 100% sure it was meaningless to not bother voting, but I think there are plenty of people out there who won't vote now based on suspicions and over-hyped "proof" - and they aren't democrats.
Not voting just makes it that much easier for them, got to make them work for it. The more they have to work for it the more obvious it becomes.
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I dunno, but massive amounts of mail in voting may have done it. Voter participation is typically low, because voting takes effort. Poorly motivated voters usually vote for Democrats, if they can be persuaded to vote by decreasing the effort required. Various states pushed mail in voting, and voter participation increased...
I would point out that the mail in voting was also pushed with very little in the way of controls to make sure the votes were valid assuming any controls were actually followed.
IMO, the whole voting system in many places has been modified to make it nearly impossible to full audit the votes after the fact.
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https://www.youtube.com/live/M2IUkgMSXug?feature=share&t=3479
This guy has Robert Barnes on at the 58 min mark. Robert talks a lot about what happened in Georgia.
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I would point out that the mail in voting was also pushed with very little in the way of controls to make sure the votes were valid assuming any controls were actually followed.
Good point.
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I would point out that the mail in voting was also pushed with very little in the way of controls to make sure the votes were valid assuming any controls were actually followed.
IMO, the whole voting system in many places has been modified to make it nearly impossible to full audit the votes after the fact.
I agree. This also applies to "motor voting," automatically registering people to vote when they get drivers licenses or state-issued ID cards, early voting, etc. The current status of the system makes a mockery of concepts such as voter registration and "election day." People should have to go somewhere and show proper ID to register to vote, and it should go immediately into a state-wide database that weeds out duplicates. If someone registers in a new distract, the system needs to automatically cancel any registration(s) they may have had previously in other districts. "One [hu]man, one vote."
No early voting. If you won't be able to make it to the polling station on election day, request a mail-in ballot, explain your reason, and vote. We shouldn't turn election "day" into election week, or election month.
And show photo ID or you don't get to vote. I've never understood the arguments that asking people to prove they are who they say they are when they show up to vote is racist or discriminatory. In a sane world, I would expect everyone to WANT their ID checked and verified when they vote. If/when anyone objects to that, I automatically know that's someone who can't be trusted.
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I agree. This also applies to "motor voting," automatically registering people to vote when they get drivers licenses or state-issued ID cards,
I guarantee you that the Calif DMV, especially in hispanic heavy areas, where hispanics make up 90% of the DMV staff, is handing out voter registrations to every hispanic non-citizen that comes in for a license. A license which, coincidentally, looks identical to that of a citizen.
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I guarantee you that the Calif DMV, especially in hispanic heavy areas, where hispanics make up 90% of the DMV staff, is handing out voter registrations to every hispanic non-citizen that comes in for a license. A license which, coincidentally, looks identical to that of a citizen.
The Oregon DMV was doing this in 1996 when I moved back there from Colorado. Saw this in person when I was getting my drivers license.
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I also suspect that illegal non-citizen voting might be enough to alter election results at times. There is literally nothing to stop it in many states, and there are huge numbers of non-citizens in the USA.
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Looks like they went to full booking and mugshots for him this time. Again, either I'm missing some brilliant moves on the dems part, or they are rocketing him to the nomination, if not presidency, when enough people become outraged by this stuff. We're putting Somalia to shame here.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-be-booked-at-fulton-county-jail-after-charges-stemming-from-2020-election-probe
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Nomination, yes. Presidency, no.
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From the look on his face, there are a few people who better hope he doesn't get elected. [ar15]
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Nomination, yes. Presidency, no.
I don't want him as president again, but his poll numbers just keep shooting up. He's leaving DeSantis, who I thought would assuredly be neck and neck, in the dust. The only thing I can think to attribute it to is spite votes for what the left is doing. I didn't think he had a chance the first time he ran (though happily voted for him the second time) so I'm just not counting anything out at this time.
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Looks like they went to full booking and mugshots for him this time. Again, either I'm missing some brilliant moves on the dems part, or they are rocketing him to the nomination, if not presidency, when enough people become outraged by this stuff.
It is a brilliant move by the Democrats to get the GOP to nominate him... so he can lose a second time. DeSantis, a competent, popular conservative was running neck and neck with Trump until the first BS charges against Trump.
It would be nice if GOP voters would consider that, just because Trump is being persecuted for BS reasons, we don't have to nominate him again. Because he actually is an awful, irresponsible person, and had a spectacularly poor performance for his last year in office. I do not believe him to be a criminal, but that's a pretty low bar for a Presidential candidate. (Though one Biden apparently can't clear).
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And I guess he's back on Twitter, which, the head exploding is entertaining.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/25/here-are-the-biggest-meltdowns-over-trump-returning-to-twitter-n2386572
Though I have to ask, 215 pounds? Come on, man. I weigh 10lbs more than his reported weight (and an inch smaller now that old man shrinkage is happening) and I'm way skinnier than him. While I'm certainly an Adonis in my own mind, muscle mass should only account for so much. If he's 215, he's gotta be 100% fat and small boned. They seemed to indicate that it was an "official booking weight". I don't know what that means, but certainly with the biased locals there, it seems they wouldn't let him get away with making up his weight, just so they can embarrass him some more. He's gotta be pushing 240-250.
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I don't want him as president again, but his poll numbers just keep shooting up.
His Republican poll numbers or his overall poll numbers?
I didn't think he had a chance the first time he ran (though happily voted for him the second time) so I'm just not counting anything out at this time.
An excellent point, but I'm not holding out hope.
It would be nice if GOP voters would consider that, just because Trump is being persecuted for BS reasons, we don't have to nominate him again. Because he actually is an awful, irresponsible person, and had a spectacularly poor performance for his last year in office. I do not believe him to be a criminal, but that's a pretty low bar for a Presidential candidate. (Though one Biden apparently can't clear).
I'm pretty much in agreement.
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His Republican poll numbers or his overall poll numbers?
His "official" Republican poll numbers (for whatever that might mean - as I said, I'm becoming extremely jaded and questioning everything reported or alleged on both sides). But there's also the "unofficial" mood of what I will call the Tulsi Gabbard crowd, who are vehemently speaking out about what's happening to Trump. Certainly they won't vote for him, but they may sway some Independents to, and perhaps keep many people at home that would otherwise vote Dem.
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His Republican poll numbers or his overall poll numbers?
He's generally trending up amongst the hallowed "Likely Voter" Demographic. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/
Obviously, it's early yet, yada yada, but if you compare those current polls with the national polls leading up to Nov 2020 the DNC should be terrified. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2020/national/
It's only like 40,000 folks in GA, AZ, and WI that need to flip for Biden to loose the rematch. What's the economy and Immigration been like in those three states for the last 3 years?
Sadly, it looks like we aren't going to get a useful candidate that was prn at least in the second half of the last century. I guess that's too much to hope for.
ETA: I said it before, but given the timeline we seem to be living in, I think there's a non-zero chance he wins the election from jail, swears in by sticking his hand through the bars to the Chief Justice, and then immediately pardons himself.
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Heh - gotta agree with this:
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Obviously, it's early yet, yada yada, but if you compare those current polls with the national polls leading up to Nov 2020 the DNC should be terrified.
Good point. Whether the polls would survive a felony conviction or not, his numbers are way better than last race.
ETA: I said it before, but given the timeline we seem to be living in, I think there's a non-zero chance he wins the election from jail, swears in by sticking his hand through the bars to the Chief Justice, and then immediately pardons himself.
I thought the big issue with the Georgia RICO charges is that there is no path to pardoning himself, or even getting Kemp (or Abrams) to pardon him.
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Of course Joy Everything is Racist Reid had to drag race into it
'Insufferably stupid and malicious': Joy Reid DRAGGED for RACIST take on Trump's mug shot (watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/25/joy-reids-take-on-trump-is-the-worst-yet-n2386588
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"If that nigga Trump gets convicted, I'm voting for him."
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1695122441180233814
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"they" will do everything they can to stop Trump 24, but they will fail.
the folks who don't pay attention like we do, they're all gonna vote for him.
Everyone likes money.
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Joy Reid is culturally appropriating white peoples' hair.
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/08/25/joy-reid-trump-same-hairstyle-msnbc-n2386596
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Fulton County Releases First Official Portrait Of The 47th President Of The United States
https://babylonbee.com/news/fulton-county-releases-first-official-portrait-of-the-47th-president-of-the-united-states
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They were just discussing the weather
NEW - Biden staffers met with special counsel Jack Smith's aides before the Trump indictment — NY Post
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) August 26, 2023
Report about Biden WH & Jack Smith shows where the REAL election interference was coming from
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/08/26/biden-jack-smith-n2386605
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They were just discussing the weather
Report about Biden WH & Jack Smith shows where the REAL election interference was coming from
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/08/26/biden-jack-smith-n2386605
As if we weren't already aware of this. It's just that they are being more "open" about their thievery. :facepalm: [popcorn]
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Apparently the Georgia 04MAR trial date was shot down, so now the DC court is trying to get it. Third. World.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/28/courts-prove-trump-cases-absolutely-politically-motivated-by-choosing-same-date-in-2024-timing-is-sus-n2386648#google_vignette
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Kevin Sorbo
@ksorbs
Putin’s political rival dies in a plane crash and everyone assumes Putin is responsible.
Biden’s political rival is charged with 90+ crimes right before the election and its a “conspiracy theory” to believe it was political subterfuge.
https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1696579619191726252?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1696579619191726252%7Ctwgr%5Eb2ebee7584b5bd2833f7c36a6e32ca750a400af7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Frickrobinson%2F2023%2F08%2F29%2Fhercules-aka-kevin-sorbo-drops-a-truth-bomb-on-xtwitter-the-size-of-a-moab-n2386691
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Donald Trump’s Trial For Election Interference Set To Begin In Time To Interfere With Election
https://babylonbee.com/news/donald-trumps-trial-for-election-interference-set-to-begin-in-time-to-interfere-with-election
Babylon Bee BTW
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Babylon Bee BTW
Yet 100% accurate.
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Rudy Giuliani is liable for defaming Georgia election workers, judge rules
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/30/judge-rules-giuliani-is-liable-for-defaming-georgia-election-workers-orders-sanctions-00113462
There may be more to the story, but this is odd.
“The FBI took every electronic device in my apartment and my law office,” Giuliani said at a May hearing in the suit. Indignantly insisting that he was not trying to deny the plaintiffs access to evidence related to their claims, he said: “I’ve been dealing with this for 50 years. I understand the obligation. … There’s nothing I want to hide. I’d like them to see everything. … Not being perfect doesn’t mean you’re deleting things. I don’t delete things.”
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https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4297060-alina-habba-hits-letitia-james-new-york-fraud-trial/
Trump attorney says New York attorney general is ‘"just not that bright"
it is hard to believe this is dragging on and on, it seems as if the people are really supporting our fearless leader more and more
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Gag order lifted
A New York judge has lifted the gag order imposed on former President Donald Trump in his civil fraud trial stemming from state Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit against him and the Trump Organization.
Citing concerns over free speech, appeals court Judge David Friedman issued a stay on the order Thursday, which was put in place by Judge Arthur Engoran in October.
At Thursday's emergency hearing, Friedman questioned Engoron's authority to limit Trump's speech outside the courtroom, and argued gag orders were used more in criminal trials where there is a fear of swaying a jury. The ruling also applies to Trump's lawyers, who say they have no plans to inhibit the former president's First Amendment rights.
Trump wasted no time
Trump celebrated the ruling in a post on Truth Social, in which he railed against Engoran.
New York judge lifts Trump gag order in civil fraud trial over free speech concerns
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-judge-lifts-trump-gag-order-civil-fraud-trial-free-speech-concerns
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Follow the money.... and the sex
Wow -
Fulton County DA Fani Willis (allegedly) sleeping with the Special Prosecutor she appointed.
His earnings - stemming from her appointment - have paid "for both of them to travel on both the Norwegian and Royal Caribbean cruise lines."
lol pic.twitter.com/gh01A4Qljx
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) January 8, 2024
The Special Prosecutor has pocketed $1 million in legal fees.
This is the biggest RICO case in GA history - and "the special prosecutor has never tried a felony RICO case." pic.twitter.com/qhWV319reZ
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) January 8, 2024
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/09/fani-willis-sleeping-with-special-prosecutor-she-appointed-n2391527
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But wait, there's more
3 days after Trump announced his 2024 candidacy, the Biden WH held a secret meeting with Nathan Wade.
Who is Nathan Wade?
Wade is the lead prosecutor in Georgia investigating Trump for Fani Willis.
He is also having an affair with her and is using taxpayer funding to pay for… pic.twitter.com/KzzHGcPn33
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 10, 2024
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/11/wade-biden-n2391644
That should raise a few eyebrows*.
*Dems, left, and most of the MSM excluded of course
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Maybe even some on the left are troubled by the above
Fulton County, Georgia district attorney Fani Willis, who brought charges against former President Donald Trump on election interference, should step away from the case amid allegations brought against her of having an "improper" romantic relationship with a prosecutor, according to an Obama-appointed former U.S. attorney.
Georgia DA Fani Willis should resign from Trump case over 'improper' relationship accusation: Ex-U.S. Attorney
https://www.foxnews.com/media/georgia-da-fani-willis-should-resign-trump-case-over-improper-relationship-accusation-ex-us-attorney
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And predictably she's pulling the race card.
Anymore nowadays I take that as a sign they know they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
Fani Willis Pulling RACE CARD to Cover Her ARSE for Hiring Her BF to Target Trump Goes So WRONG (Watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/15/fani-willis-you-cant-expect-a-black-woman-to-be-perfect-n2391769
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And predictably she's pulling the race card.
Anymore nowadays I take that as a sign they know they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
Fani Willis Pulling RACE CARD to Cover Her ARSE for Hiring Her BF to Target Trump Goes So WRONG (Watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/15/fani-willis-you-cant-expect-a-black-woman-to-be-perfect-n2391769
And what about the reports that indicate both Willis and the BF were at the WH and possibly met with JB while there?
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And what about the reports that indicate both Willis and the BF were at the WH and possibly met with JB while there?
4 posts up
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Lets see if this goes anywhere
NEW: The Chairwoman of the @FreedomCaucusGA State Rep. @CharliceByrd has officially introduced H.R. 872, articles of impeachment against Fani Willis.
Same day that the Georgia Senate forms a special committee to investigate her corruption as well. pic.twitter.com/yTbrtbFxw8
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) January 26, 2024
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/26/fani-willis-n2392223
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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-trial-e-jean-carroll-01-26-24/index.html
Former President Trump is ordered to pay $ 83.3 million in defamation case.
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How much was Bill ordered to pay Monica Lewinsky?
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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-trial-e-jean-carroll-01-26-24/index.html
Former President Trump is ordered to pay $ 83.3 million in defamation case.
Was this the trial where the jury found him not guilty of rape, but guilty of insulting the woman who accused him of rape?
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Was this the trial where the jury found him not guilty of rape, but guilty of insulting the woman who accused him of rape?
Also the one where the judge refused to hear evidence in favor of Trump and also today threatened to throw Trump's attorney in the klink.
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You smell something?
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Was this the trial where the jury found him not guilty of rape, but guilty of insulting the woman who accused him of rape?
Guilty of 'sexual abuse', which the judge clarified as forced digital penetration. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
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So rape that wasn't rape but was rape :O
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I wasn't aware of this:
@RaheemKassam 's article shows that Trump was the 7th man E Jean Carroll has accused of rape.
The woman is twisted and obsessed
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I wasn't aware of this:
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I wasn't, either. I'm certain the mainstream media mentioned this factoid prominently. I must have scanned all those articles too fast and just missed it ...
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Whoops, wrong thread
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Well this just got far more interesting.
Byron York
@ByronYork
Trump lawyer says defense just learned that E Jean Carroll judge was once 'mentor' to Carroll's lawyer. 'This issue is particularly concerning since Plaintiff’s other lead counsel, Shawn Crowley, served as Your Honor’s law clerk, and we were previously advised that Your Honor co-officiated her wedding.' https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.usco
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1752304421747216725
E. Jean Carroll MIGHT Want to Hold Off Spending Her Winnings Based on BOMBSHELL From Trump's Defense Team
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/30/trump-defense-learns-carroll-conflict-n2392342
Now do I expect anything being done to the judge who obviously had a huge conflict of interest? No
But a reversal could be up coming but we are living in clown world so I'm not holding my breath.
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Well this just got far more interesting.
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1752304421747216725
E. Jean Carroll MIGHT Want to Hold Off Spending Her Winnings Based on BOMBSHELL From Trump's Defense Team
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/30/trump-defense-learns-carroll-conflict-n2392342
Now do I expect anything being done to the judge who obviously had a huge conflict of interest? No
But a reversal could be up coming but we are living in clown world so I'm not holding my breath.
I also read that not only was Trump denied evidence submission, but the judge denied hearing Trump witnesses. This is going to be turned over on appeal, but the political damage is already done, which is pretty much how banana republic courts work.
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Also, here she is talking to Rachel Maddow. Her attorney doesn't seem happy.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1752175077939151149
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I had almost forgotten about Paula Jones
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I also read that not only was Trump denied evidence submission, but the judge denied hearing Trump witnesses. This is going to be turned over on appeal, but the political damage is already done, which is pretty much how banana republic courts work.
In this instance, the damage is minimal IMO. It is still January. The appeal will be heard and maybe decided well before November. Also, the media has been demonizing trump since 2016. Anyone who changes their mind over this was already voting against him.
I think Amber Heard and the Johnny Depp trial did a good job of undermining the power of accusations like this. Anyone who has heard of Trump can look at that accuser and know that she wasn't the type of woman Trump was reputed to be interested in. That is Bill Clinton's reputation.
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https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2024/01/31/will-obama-get-trump-off-the-hook-n4925989
"A secret Obama memo, the Presidential Information Technology Committee (PITC), regarding control of Presidential records could change everything in the DOJ’s politicized prosecution of Trump," the organization announced Tuesday on Twitter/X.
By executive fiat, Obama created the PITC following a 2014 Russian hack of the president's Executive Office computer network. The committee "includes representatives of the Departments of Defense and DHS, among others" and "established the President’s exclusive control over information resources and systems provided to the President," according to America First Legal.
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The DC trial has been delayed indefinitely. Interesting.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-trial-delayed-special-counsel-jack-smiths-jan-6-investigation
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Heck of a day
First NBC turns on Biden now MSNBC takes Trump's side in this
"GAME OVER" for Fulton County DA Fani Willis, declares MSNBC legal analyst:
"This is epic. This is monumental. She will be disqualified. This is a huge deal." pic.twitter.com/m70i0wmezF
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) February 15, 2024
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/15/game-over-for-her-msnbc-analyst-says-fani-willis-lied-to-the-court-she-will-be-disqualified-n2392982
Must be snowing somewhere deep
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This aged well
2020. Fani Willis is asked why the people of Fulton County should support her for District Attorney.
"Because they deserve a DA that won't have sex with his employees, because they deserve a DA that won't put money in their own pocket." pic.twitter.com/uo8wD1wnnR
— MAZE (@mazemoore) February 15, 2024
OMG-LOL! '20 Video of Fani Willis Telling Fulton County Why They Should Elect Her Will HAUNT Her (Watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/15/fani-willis-video-on-why-she-should-be-elected-da-ha-ha-ha-ha-watch-n2392985
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I've watched a few snippets of the Willis trial. She is acting like she's running the courtroom, even admonishing the judge. Refuses to answer questions and just goes off on tangential nonsense. Isn't this what people said Trump should be censured for in his NYC trial?
She needs to be immediately disbarred and all Georgia charges against Trump dropped. If nothing else has made it clear that Trump's Georgia charges are 100% political, it's her actions in her own trial.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fani-willis-raises-eyebrows-with-a-wink-on-the-stand-labels-former-lover-nathan-wade-a-southern-gentleman
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I've watched a few snippets of the Willis trial. She is acting like she's running the courtroom, even admonishing the judge. Refuses to answer questions and just goes off on tangential nonsense. Isn't this what people said Trump should be censured for in his NYC trial?
She needs to be immediately disbarred and all Georgia charges against Trump dropped. If nothing else has made it clear that Trump's Georgia charges are 100% political, it's her actions in her own trial.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fani-willis-raises-eyebrows-with-a-wink-on-the-stand-labels-former-lover-nathan-wade-a-southern-gentleman
Someone noticed she was wearing her dress backwards
LOL! What the Actual EFF?! Think Fani Willis is a Hot Mess? You Ain't Seen NOTHIN' Yet (Check Her Dress)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/16/fani-willis-had-her-dress-on-backwards-n2393004
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Much truth here:
https://twitter.com/CynicalPublius/status/1758217657600348346
3. Our "elites" are actually the very worst people our society has to offer.
Bingo.
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The fact that the judge made little effort to control his courtroom when Willis was testifying makes me think he is going to let her off without any sanctions. He's just going through the motions to appease her critics.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/16/trump-fraud-trial-judge-engoron-verdict-ny-ag-business-case.html
President Trump is ordered to pay $ 350 million damages in the New York business fraud case.
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The goal if they can't get him disqualified and/or put in prison is to bankrupt him
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The Babylon Bee gets it
Judge Orders Trump To Pay Whatever Amount It Takes To Bankrupt Campaign
https://babylonbee.com/news/judge-orders-trump-to-pay-whatever-amount-it-takes-to-bankrupt-campaign
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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/16/trump-fraud-trial-judge-engoron-verdict-ny-ag-business-case.html
President Trump is ordered to pay $ 350 million damages in the New York business fraud case.
Golly, that was totally unexpected. Oh, wait...
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Reportedly some truckers are refusing to take goods into NYC over this
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The Gofundme started to pay President Trump's $ 355 million civil judgement is collecting money: https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement
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The Gofundme started to pay President Trump's $ 355 million civil judgement is collecting money: https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement
No doubt the GoFundMe will be cancelled as they often are when benefitting someone notable that is right of center politically.
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The Trump hate has gotten to the point where the true believers would happily like to see supporters trucked off to be reeducated... Or put up against a wall, and shot. By the police and military, who will mindlessly obey their orders, because those subpeople didn't even graduate from high school.
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No doubt the GoFundMe will be cancelled as they often are when benefitting someone notable that is right of center politically.
Up to almost 0.1% of the goal.
I get the sentiment. But this will be tossed on appeal. At scotus if not before.
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Up to almost 0.1% of the goal.
I get the sentiment. But this will be tossed on appeal. At scotus if not before.
Yup. In the end, it likely gets Trump another few hundred thousand votes (or loses the establishment a few hundred thousand votes), and also screws NY, as it's another reason for large corporations to head on over to Florida or wherever, as this ruling set a dangerous precedent. Because once again they have made Trump the poster boy for, "If they can do it to him, they can do it to me".
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So are you suggesting that he was convicted of trumped up charges?
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The NY Governor is doing damage control regarding the upcoming unintended consequences of the ruling:
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/02/18/nothing-to-worry-about-kathy-hochul-tries-to-reassure-businesses-after-trump-verdict-n2393068
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The Trump hate has gotten to the point where the true believers would happily like to see supporters trucked off to be reeducated... Or put up against a wall, and shot. By the police and military, who will mindlessly obey their orders, because those subpeople didn't even graduate from high school.
I agree if by "subpeople" you mean the true believers, not the Trump supporters.
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So are you suggesting that he was convicted of trumped up charges?
That was a joke, right? =)
I get this case and the rape accusation case confused. Were Trump lawyers allowed to present evidence in this case? I think this was the one where the judge ruled an absurdly low value for Trump's Florida mansion and grounds. I am not sure what other shenanigans were done in this case.
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That was a joke, right? =)
I get this case and the rape accusation case confused. Were Trump lawyers allowed to present evidence in this case? I think this was the one where the judge ruled an absurdly low value for Trump's Florida mansion and grounds. I am not sure what other shenanigans were done in this case.
The thing about this case is that there were no victims of a crime. All the money was paid back with zero issues with the banks. AFAIK, no one that he dealt with complained to LE about him. The DA had to go on a scavenger hunt looking for something.
From what I can see, what they've done here is prosecute him for a crime regarding property valuation that would be similar to when you're doing your tax return and you get to the part about charitable contributions. There's a section where you can claim up to $500 in non-cash contributions (like the stuff you drop at the goodwill) without any detailed paperwork trail or red flags to the IRS. Just get the blank receipt that Goodwill et al gives you, and claim that you donated $499 in stuff, which is what you might think it was worth, even if no one else does.
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The progressive left thinks that soldiers and law enforcement are a bunch of idiots who couldn't graduate high school. They think that they mindlessly obey orders, and are just subhuman servants...
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Judge in Trump civil fraud case denies request to delay $355 million penalty
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-trump-civil-fraud-case-denies-request-delay-355-million-penalty
Meanwhile
Letitia James 'prepared' to seize Trump's assets if he is unable to pay $354 million fraud fine
https://www.foxnews.com/media/letitia-james-prepared-seize-trumps-assets-unable-pay-354-million-fraud-fine
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Judge in Trump civil fraud case denies request to delay $355 million penalty
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-trump-civil-fraud-case-denies-request-delay-355-million-penalty
Meanwhile
Letitia James 'prepared' to seize Trump's assets if he is unable to pay $354 million fraud fine
https://www.foxnews.com/media/letitia-james-prepared-seize-trumps-assets-unable-pay-354-million-fraud-fine
You know that Trump will file his appeal, and attempt to put the money for the bond into escrow, and James will say "We never got the paperwork/noticification/whatever, so we're proceeding with the seizure. Oh, and that building he thought was worth $500million? Yeah, it's really only worth $5mil (because that's what I'll sell it to a crony for in exchange for a kickback). So we're going to need ALL his properties and then his bank accounts to satisfy the judgement."
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I saw it on the news this morning and can't find the clip on youtubz, but there was a clip of James yucking it up and laughing about how she's going to ruin Trump. Seems like that clip itself would be pretty powerful evidence in front of an unbiased judge in an appeal, though I don't know where they'll find one in NYC.
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I saw it on the news this morning and can't find the clip on youtubz, but there was a clip of James yucking it up and laughing about how she's going to ruin Trump. Seems like that clip itself would be pretty powerful evidence in front of an unbiased judge in an appeal, though I don't know where they'll find one in NYC.
Wow, no agenda there at all. Yeah, that'll bite her in the ass.
I'm waiting to see what dirt gets dredged up on Engoron.
Brad
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Wow, no agenda there at all. Yeah, that'll should bite her in the ass.
FIFY
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Well that went well :rofl:
NY AG Letitia James booed at firefighters ceremony with chants of ‘Trump! Trump! Trump!’
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-ag-letitia-james-booed-firefighters-ceremony-chants-trump-trump-trump
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Well that went well :rofl:
NY AG Letitia James booed at firefighters ceremony with chants of ‘Trump! Trump! Trump!’
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-ag-letitia-james-booed-firefighters-ceremony-chants-trump-trump-trump
Apparently she's after those who booed her and cheered Trump
FDNY tells firefighters to protest ‘on your own time’ after booing NY AG Letitia James, cheering Trump: report
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fdny-tells-firefighters-protest-your-own-time-booing-ny-ag-letitia-james-cheering-trump-report
As a side note it appear standards to be a fireman/person have been relaxed a bit
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/03/1200/675/letitia-james-FDNY-ceremony.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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As a side note it appear standards to be a fireman/person have been relaxed a bit
How was she ever a firefighter before the desk job?
EDIT: Or is that the chaplain? I suppose they get hired outside the normal process.
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Here the Babylon Bee
Letitia James Issues $355 Million Fine To Firefighters For Booing Her
https://babylonbee.com/news/letitia-james-issues-355-million-dollar-fine-to-firefighters-for-booing-her
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https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fatal-judge-in-trump-rico-case-gives-defense-a-win-by-dismissing-6-counts-because-prosecutors-did-not-include-enough-information/
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In what has been called by Twitchy a "split the baby" ruling, the judge in the Fani Willis case has ruled that either Willis or Wade must step down. They both cannot continue on the case. Only one can remain on the case. Absolutely stupid political ruling, but we would have been daft to expect anything else from this judge.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/15/judge-rules-fulton-county-da-fani-willis-can-still-lead-the-trump-case-if-n2394014 (https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/15/judge-rules-fulton-county-da-fani-willis-can-still-lead-the-trump-case-if-n2394014)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-rules-fani-willis-must-step-aside-trump-case-fire-special-prosecutor-nathan-wade (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-rules-fani-willis-must-step-aside-trump-case-fire-special-prosecutor-nathan-wade)
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In what has been called by Twitchy a "split the baby" ruling, the judge in the Fani Willis case has ruled that either Willis or Wade must step down. They both cannot continue on the case. Only one can remain on the case. Absolutely stupid political ruling, but we would have been daft to expect anything else from this judge.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/15/judge-rules-fulton-county-da-fani-willis-can-still-lead-the-trump-case-if-n2394014 (https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/15/judge-rules-fulton-county-da-fani-willis-can-still-lead-the-trump-case-if-n2394014)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-rules-fani-willis-must-step-aside-trump-case-fire-special-prosecutor-nathan-wade (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-rules-fani-willis-must-step-aside-trump-case-fire-special-prosecutor-nathan-wade)
This would never be tolerated if Trump was a dem
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I'm sure you all predicted this
Nathan Wade has resigned from #FaniWillis team
So Fani stays on pic.twitter.com/rDnYCoy46e
— Phil Holloway ✈️ (@PhilHollowayEsq) March 15, 2024
Now back to our railroading of Trump which so rudely interrupted by silly stuff like questions of ethics and fairness. That stuff has no place in a courtroom
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/15/the-judge-said-fani-willis-or-nathan-wade-had-to-go-so-one-of-them-has-resigned-n2394029
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Now we see if she is willing to go though with her threat.
Having NY seize his properties will suck but will be a huge PR win for Trump with the right
The former president's lawyers wrote in a court filing that 'obtaining an appeal bond in the full amount' of the judgment 'is not possible under the circumstances presented.'
They revealed they had spoken to 30 underwriters to back the bond, which is due next week. Their efforts included 'countless hours of negotiating with one of the biggest insurance companies in the world'.
With interest, Trump owes $456.8 million. In all, he and co-defendants including his company and top executives owe $467.3 million. To obtain a bond, they would be required to post collateral worth $557 million, Trump's lawyers said.
'Defendants' ongoing diligent efforts have proven that a bond in the judgment's full amount is 'a practical impossibility,'' the filing said. 'These diligent efforts have included approaching about 30 surety companies through 4 separate brokers.'
New York Attorney General Letitia James, a Democrat, has said that she will seek to seize some of Trump's assets if he´s unable to pay the judgment.
Donald Trump can't secure $454 million bond in the New York fraud case: Lawyers say it's impossible to come up with the cash
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13210651/trump-secure-bond-new-york-fraud-case.html
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He should sell Mar-A-Lago for half a billion or so to pay the fine.
Agreed, it would suck, but that PR is unbuyable.
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Wonder how much is just nobody willing to do business with him, or being unwilling to value properties fairly vs. what the courts claimed (eg Mar a Lago for $18mil instead of $400mil).
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So I guess they all just get away with the lying that got Trump convicted. Mar-a-Lago is suddenly worth more than $25 million.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/03/23/cnn-admits-that-mar-a-lago-is-worth-more-than-18-million-n2394313
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Looks like Trump got a ten day reprieve and a greatly reduced bond via the NY Appeals Court:
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/03/25/ny-appeals-court-gives-trump-another-win-and-letitia-james-a-big-loss-n2394373
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That's a small measure of sanity.
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That's a small measure of sanity.
Especially coming from a NY court. Shows how bad the court Trump was in is. My understanding is that Erogan is a one man 9th circuit, with a very high percentage of overturned rulings.
The liberal tears are fun. "Separate rules for Trump". You maybe mean the separate rules that caused the unheard of judgment in the first place, dude. Project more, lefties. I also like "Trump's private militia". :rofl:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1772308515308163306
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Enter the Babylon Bee
:rofl:
Letitia James Prosecuted For Grossly Overvaluing Trump's Fine
https://babylonbee.com/news/letitia-james-prosecuted-for-grossly-overvaluing-trumps-fine
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Looks like Trump got a ten day reprieve and a greatly reduced bond via the NY Appeals Court:
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/03/25/ny-appeals-court-gives-trump-another-win-and-letitia-james-a-big-loss-n2394373
Good God heads are exploding [popcorn]
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Another gag order on Trump for the upcoming "hush money" trial. Premium article, but I'm sure others are reporting on it by now.
My layman's question is regarding just how common gag orders are in civil trials. I mean, Trump's got a big mouth, but he's an innocent until proven guilty defendant, and I'm not certain I'm comfortable with him or any other defendant being "gagged" during their own trials.
Certainly the DAs prosecuting Trump have not been gagged, even though (example=James) they have stated and tweeted all kinds of crap and taunts outside of the trial. They are supposed to be the professionals who swore to uphold the law. It seems to me that they should be held to at least as high of a standard as a defendant.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/judge-issues-trump-gag-order-ahead-of-hush-money-trial-5615599?ea_src=frontpage&ea_med=lead-special-courts-medium-0
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Anyone surprised they're pulling the race card?
New York judge says FDNY booing of Letitia James, pro-Trump chants not about politics, 'has to do with race'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-judge-says-fdny-booing-letitia-james-pro-trump-chants-not-about-politics-race
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The Biden donor judge in Trump's trial is ordering him to attend court every day of the trail or he will be jailed. While the argument can be made that this is how criminal trials go for regular people, one could also argue that keeping a leading presidential candidate from campaigning through the most crucial time pre-election is kinda banana republic.
Though some good arguments were made in the comments that this will put Trump front and center in the news every day and will likely convert many more people to voting for him or else potential Biden voters sitting things out because of the banana republic stuff - especially as the crazy stuff comes out that has turned this into felony counts instead of misdemeanor counts, or for most people not running for president as a Republican, not being prosecuted at all because no crime was committed.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/15/judge-says-that-trump-must-appear-in-court-for-the-duration-of-his-trial-or-face-arrest-n2395124
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Have any of you ever heard of a criminal defendant having to be present during "jury selection"?? :facepalm:
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Someone set themselves on fire outside the Trump trial
Don't know this was Gaza/Palestinian protest or a anti-Trump protest or what yet.
Horrific scenes outside the Trump trial as a man sets himself on FIRE in front of shocked media and onlookers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13329109/Man-sets-FIRE-outside-Trump-trial.html
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Someone set themselves on fire outside the Trump trial
Don't know this was Gaza/Palestinian protest or a anti-Trump protest or what yet.
Horrific scenes outside the Trump trial as a man sets himself on FIRE in front of shocked media and onlookers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13329109/Man-sets-FIRE-outside-Trump-trial.html
From the pictures it looks like a grease fire.
I am torn between ridicule of or sympathy for the person and their mental status that leads them to believe self-immolation will lead to anything other than a quick mention on the news for a day or less.
bob
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Reported he was throwing out some sort of political brochures. No word yet on what they said.
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(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/19/19/83866703-13329109-image-a-43_1713551558615.jpg)
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Manifesto online appears to belong to man who self-immolated at Trump trial
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-797963
It describes the self-immolation as an "extreme act of protest," and declares, "We are victims of a totalitarian con, and our own government (along with many of their allies) is about to hit us with an apocalyptic fascist world coup."
ANTIFA?
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More
The manifesto goes on to describe a global, cryptocurrency-based conspiracy. It asserts that Harvard University is a front for organized crime, and asserts that the long-running animated sitcom The Simpsons "exists to brainwash us."
Ironically, the document accuses tech companies of flooding social media with "nonsense conspiracy theories."
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I will quote myself, commenting on the IG thread I first saw this on:
I, for one, wholeheartedly endorse the new trend of leftist protesters setting themselves ablaze.
To someone thinking about it I say:
You guys almost got it! Just keep lighting up and we'll all listen one day. I totes promise!
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Supposedly the whole thing.
I've only had a chance to glance at it because I'm working on a laptop
https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside
Edit: Copied and pasted it in case they take down
I have set myself on fire outside the Trump Trial.
M. Crosby
Apr 19, 2024
My name is Max Azzarello, and I am an investigative researcher who has set himself on fire outside of the Trump trial in Manhattan.
This extreme act of protest is to draw attention to an urgent and important discovery:
We are victims of a totalitarian con, and our own government (along with many of their allies) is about to hit us with an apocalyptic fascist world coup.
These claims sound like fantastical conspiracy theory, but they are not. They are proof of conspiracy. If you investigate this mountain of research, you will prove them too. If you learn a great deal about Ponzi schemes, you will discover that our life is a lie. If you follow this story and the links below, you will discover the rotten truth of ‘post-truth America’. You will learn the scariest and stupidest story in world history. And you will realize that we are all in a desperate state of emergency that requires your action.
To my friends and family, witnesses and first responders, I deeply apologize for inflicting this pain upon you. But I assure you it is a drop in the bucket compared to what our government intends to inflict.
Because these words are true, this is an act of revolution.
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Last March, a billionaire named Peter Thiel started a bank run on Silicon Valley Bank. I knew enough about Thiel that I found this incredibly suspicious: My hunch was that this was intentional, though I couldn’t fathom why.
I began investigating online, and quickly found cryptocurrency’s fingerprints all over it. The bank run occurred just days after Silvergate Bank – which catered almost exclusively to crypto companies – collapsed. Meanwhile, several crypto cheerleaders were all over financial media warning of a regional banking crisis, and nobody in media was addressing the clear crypto connections.
I dug deep into the financials of Thiel’s venture capital firm Founders Fund and eventually uncovered the following, all proven many times over.
Cryptocurrency is our first planetary multi-trillion-dollar Ponzi scheme. It was expressly created for this purpose by a laundry list of rich and powerful people out of Stanford/Silicon Valley and Harvard/Facebook.
The March 2023 bank failures were all intentional: the banks were used to move out stolen Ponzi money. This signals that they’re no longer dumping cash in to keep the cryptocurrency Ponzi afloat, and that it will soon go insolvent, as all Ponzis must.
When the Ponzi scheme goes insolvent, it will take down half the stock market with it: The perpetrators used their major companies to pipe into the blockchain so they could funnel money out from the crypto exchanges. This includes Google, Tesla, Apple, PayPal, Facebook, Disney, Walmart, Target, InBev, Zoom, and countless others.
It is a Ponzi scheme so large that it created global inflation, which is why the price of Bitcoin has been a remarkable leading indicator for inflation rates. Victims who bought crypto don’t realize their money has already been stolen, so the money gets double-counted by the victims and the criminals who stole it.
As it turns out, our elites are awash in Ponzi schemes. Stanford’s StartX.com investment fund and Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘Program for Evolutionary Dynamics’ he ran at Harvard are both fake-science Ponzi factories that these schools have invested billions in: They are filled with fraudulent companies that use smoke and mirrors to promise miraculous new technology, but always collapse while the perpetrators only get richer.
Funneling trillions of dollars in stolen cash through the stock market created the largest stock-market anomaly in history. The stock chart signature of a Ponzi scheme is a massive increase (while they stack up cash) and then a massive fall (as they funnel out the stolen cash). This chart shape appeared in all the companies listed above. In order to explain the massive anomaly, our criminal government unleashed COVID on the world and told us these were the “stay at home stocks.”
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Ponzi schemes are vicious beasts, and cryptocurrency is history’s largest Ponzi by orders of magnitude. It could best be described as an economic doomsday device, intentionally made to shatter the world economy.
The U.S. government is fully involved in this totalitarian con: To illustrate its bipartisan support, I’ll note that nearly every participant of the Clinton Global Initiative has ties to cryptocurrency, while two of the biggest tech VCs who participated are Trump associates Josh Kushner and Anthony Scaramucci.
To better understand our form of government, I will point you to one of the most astonishing pieces of stand-alone evidence I’ve found: Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton’s 1988 DNC speech where he nominated Mike Dukakis for president against George H.W. Bush. The speech is a vile, mean-spirited roast of Dukakis that makes no sense whatsoever: For Clinton to ruthlessly attack a member of his own party should have been political suicide, and he repeatedly mocks Dukakis’ noble and earnest qualities.
Notably, actor Rob Lowe, who was supporting Dukakis, was victim of a teen sex blackmail operation at the DNC that year. Since we know Clinton is a close associate with teen sex blackmail artist Jeffrey Epstein, we can suddenly make perfect sense of the nonsensical speech by applying this lens: Bill Clinton is a cocky mob boss who blackmailed Mike Dukakis because Dukakis thought his job was to help the public. He teases out the future public revelation that Kitty Dukakis drank rubbing alcohol, and offers a strange anecdote about the crack epidemic that reveals he is an exceedingly proud drug runner.
What does this revelation tell us? That our government is conning us completely. That Bill Clinton was secretly on (former CIA Director) George H.W. Bush’s side, and that the Democrat vs. Republican division has been entirely manufactured ever since: Clinton is with Bush; Gore is with Bush; Trump is with Hillary, and so on. When they present themselves in public, they are acting as characters that are against one another, practicing kayfabe as wrestlers do.
As it turns out, we have a secret kleptocracy: Both parties are run by financial criminals whose only goals are to divide, deceive, and bleed us dry. They divide the public against itself and blame the other party while everything gets worse and more expensive and handful of people take all the money.
Since it is fully parasitic, a secret kleptocracy is an incredibly unstable form of government – left to its own devices, it can only lead to fascism or failed state.
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One of the key findings of this research is that Harvard University is one of the largest organized crime fronts in history, which is how they churn out billionaires – it’s a major hub of this sprawling criminal network.
As it turns out, dozens of the writers of The Simpsons went to Harvard. So I asked myself the question: If The Simpsons served the interests of organized crime, how would it do so?
Well, it offers a dysfunctional family suffering from moral decay, a community incapable of solving its problems, a worker drone who slaves away for an evil billionaire, and cathartic laughs for our poor collective circumstances.
There are some notable specifics as it relates to this research, too: In Marge vs. The Monorail, the townsfolk are too oafish and divided to invest in the town’s needs (fix Main Street) and fall for the charms of a dazzling showman with a bogus monorail Ponzi scheme. When we know that the show is closely linked to an organization that invests billions of dollars in Ponzi factories, this becomes quite damning.
In Lisa the Iconoclast, Lisa discovers that town founder Jebediah Springfield was a secret criminal con artist, and that the townsfolk’s lives are a lie. Realizing this is an important discovery, she desperately tries to get the townsfolk to listen to her. But they meet her with hostility, apathy, disbelief, and partisanship and she fails to get through to them. Ultimately, she realizes the town is so far gone that perhaps it’s better for them to be lied to by con artists, and she keeps the secret to herself.
And here I’ve been, like Lisa Simpson, desperately trying to get friends, family, and the public to believe the proof of a totalitarian con I’m trying to show them, and they’ve turned away with hostility, apathy, disbelief, and partisanship.
And so, we realize the criminal truth of The Simpsons: Our elites are telling us that our eroding collective circumstances are our own fault, and we can’t do anything about it, while they steal the American Dream from us. It is, for lack of a more elegant word, brainwashing.
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Lastly, we string these major discoveries together: Cryptocurrency is an economic doomsday device; our government is a secret kleptocracy; The Simpsons exists to brainwash us. From there, the only research we need is critical thinking and we’re able to piece together the true story of our circumstances.
Consider America since 1988: Institutions like healthcare and universities have become parasitic in their skyrocketing prices. News media tells us to be angry and tribalized. Daytime television warns us of moral decay. Local news tell us to fear our neighbors. The Simpsons tells us we’re too oafish and divided to save the American Dream. Seinfeld tells us to celebrate the aholes and be irritated by all the normal people around us. “Reality” TV tells us that real life is filled with hedonism and strife.
Social media, owned by crypto criminals like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, is flooded with nonsense conspiracy theories and memes reminding us that we are hopeless, helpless, anxious, depressed, ironic, scared, apathetic, escapist, lonely, misguided, and jaded, telling us we can’t do anything but have a laugh at our circumstances.
Liberals mock the hypocrisy of conservatives; conservatives mock the hypocrisy of liberals, and our collective circumstances erode. The left shouts “All Cops Are Bastards,” which ensures they’ll be hated by the police and the public (and flies in the face of leftist theory). The public’s distrust of the government is at an all-time high, but so is the belief that we are helpless to do anything about it.
And with all this, a sharp rise in apocalyptic messaging: Climate change will kill us all; COVID will kill us all; vaccines will kill us all; AI will kill us all – no matter the bubbles we ascribe to, we’re bombarded with existential crises with no solutions. We’ve seen a surge in apocalyptic film, literature, and video games that tell us there is no way out of our poor circumstances but total societal breakdown. Zombies tell us that the public is our enemy. If you go to your nearest convenience store, you can buy a can of water called “Liquid Death.”
This is our rotten farce: For our entire lives, we have been flooded with media designed to slowly steer us into a world where the American Dream was dead, where the public was fully divided against itself, where everybody believed we were powerless to do anything about our worsening circumstances. It is all so they can organize an unprecedented, apocalyptic rug pull on the entire populace as they pivot to fascism, which is perhaps best understood as kleptocracy at the barrel of a gun.
When we piece it all together, we understand the truth: We are in a totalitarian doomsday cult.
Why on earth would our elites do this? There are many reasons, but the simplest is because capitalism is unsustainable, and they knew it: Climate change and resource extraction would catch up eventually. So, they never intended to sustain it. They knew all along that they would gobble up all the wealth they could, and then yank the rug out from under us so they could pivot to a hellish fascist dystopia.
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Things escalated wildly in 1988 when former CIA Director George H.W. Bush got the White House, but this plan had been in action long prior:
Why is Stanley Kubrick’s comedy about mutually assured destruction called Dr. Strangelove: Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb? Because he was a cocky secret fascist who was getting us to stop worrying and love the bomb. Why did he make A Clockwork Orange? So we’d rejoice at ultra-violence designed to desensitize us to the horrors of the world.
Why were the Manson Family murders crawling with cover-ups and intelligence agents? Because our government wanted to make us fear for our lives and believe that hippies are deranged psychopaths.
Why did Walt Disney produce a fraudulent documentary that told us Lemmings follow each other off cliffs? So we would believe it.
Why did The Beatles tell us to fear the taxman, to scoff at revolution, chase nonsense conspiracy theories, and that happiness is a warm gun? So we would believe it.
Why did Easy Rider tell us that the hippie movement was dead? So we would believe it.
Why did Chinatown end with defeatism in the face of massive corruption? So we would believe it.
Why did George Orwell tell us of a hellish future of totalitarian control that we are powerless to stop? So we would believe it.
Why did Wall Street tell us “greed is good”? So we would believe it.
Why did Do The Right Thing tell us we’re all racially tribalized? So we would believe it.
Why did Simpsons creator Matt Groening make a comic strip called Life in Hell? So we would believe it.
And on, and on, and on, and on. When it comes to any popular media, if you ask yourself the question, “Why would secret doomsday cult kleptocrats want the public to consume this?”, you will find your answers.
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This is obviously very bad news, but the biggest lie we’ve been told is that we are powerless. We’ve got one way out of hellworld, and that’s for the public to realize that we’ve been conned completely so we can build a united movement that shatters every lie they’ve told us, mocks this rotten farce as loudly as it deserves, and aims at nothing short of abolishing our criminal government so we can build one that serves the public.
To understand this story is to see right through the con, to become immune to the endless sea of criminal propaganda, and to feel the great joy and power that comes with freedom.
If a small number of people quickly put on these truth-colored glasses, we are in for an unimaginably bright future. If not, we get an apocalypse.
For more information, I’ve put together this booklet that includes other major findings and a map to a sea of proof, along with all the other essays on this site.
For the true history of America since the end of World War II, see here.
To see this discovery unfold in real-time, along with further explanations, hundreds of pieces of evidence not covered here, advice, inspiration, political theory, and the heart and soul of a man escaping history’s largest doomsday cult, see my Instagram story highlights. I apologize for leaving things so scattered, but this has been an exhausting affair. So long as you understand this (true) ideology, you will be able to learn the whole story.
Here is a federal lawsuit I filed against dozens of perpetrators of the cryptocurrency Ponzi – not for litigation, but just to preserve the information and attach my name to it. I was terrified and hadn’t slept in days and it shows, but it served its purpose of keeping myself alive long enough to keep learning and telling this story.
I no longer have my original research files from the crypto rabbit hole. If you want to see them, you’ll have to get my laptop back from the government. Ask them how they got it - it’s a very fun story.
I hope you know how powerful you are. I wish you a hell of a lot more than luck.
Max Azzarello
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He died
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Meanwhile some dems are looking to strip Trump of his secret service protection
House Democrats have introduced a bill that would strip Secret Service protection from convicted felons sentenced to prison, a move directly targeting former President Trump who is currently on criminal trial in New York City for alleged hush money payments made during the 2016 election campaign and faces several other cases which could land him behind bars.
Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., the former chair of the now disbanded Jan. 6 congressional committee, introduced legislation that would automatically nix Secret Service protection for those who have been convicted of a federal or state felony that carries a minimum one-year prison term.
The proposed bill is provocatively called the "Denying Infinite Security and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely Dishonorable (DISGRACED) Former Protectees Act.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-look-strip-secret-service-protection-trump-convicted
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Could be more to this but meanwhile
DESPICABLE: Bank of America, USAA Shut Down Trump Attorney Accounts
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/20/bank-of-america-maga-accounts-n2395314
Remember it was BOA that shut down the accounts of "J6ers"
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Could be more to this but meanwhile
DESPICABLE: Bank of America, USAA Shut Down Trump Attorney Accounts
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/20/bank-of-america-maga-accounts-n2395314
Remember it was BOA that shut down the accounts of "J6ers"
And just remember what "boa" means and combine that with the phrase "snake in the grass". [ar15]
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He died
you mean "he just became a registered Democrat"
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you mean "he just became a registered Democrat"
Deadlong democrat
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Meanwhile the NY AG is rejecting Trump bond money
New York Attorney General Letitia James's office has asked a judge on Friday to block a $175 million bond that former President Donald Trump secured to delay paying a larger punishment in his civil fraud case.
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James's office on Friday claimed that Trump and his organization had not provided enough proof that they had the necessary money to pay off the bond, the Hill reported.
“Based on the foregoing, the People respectfully request that the Court deny Movants’ motion to justify the surety, declare the Bond to be without effect and order that any replacement bond be posted within seven days, along with such other and further relief the Court deems necessary and appropriate,” lawyers with James's office wrote in a 26-page filing.
Letitia James Says Donald Trump's $175 Million Bond Should Be Rejected
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/20/letitia-james-says-donald-trumps-175-million-bond-should-be-rejected-n2395343
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Meanwhile, I just saw a clip of Biden making fun of his opponent not being able to campaign because he's in court.
Also, a clip of Hillary Clinton, the "mainstream and sensible candidate that should have won in 2016", talking about Trump's heroes being Putin and the midget in North Korea, and how Trump will implement a North Korea-like government if he wins, killing people who oppose him.
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Also, a clip of Hillary Clinton, the "mainstream and sensible candidate that should have won in 2016", talking about Trump's heroes being Putin and the midget in North Korea, and how Trump will implement a North Korea-like government if he wins, killing people who oppose him.
Just like he did the last time
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(https://yt3.ggpht.com/HBnQUC3MsoOKxYBzSsMndxxH-h7vEuTfzgFz24pIDYrfhnn09dxn1ubdQkBu-H6on2F5s1xniDOLVn0=s1229-rw-nd-v1)
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Rep. Pramila Jayapal:
"Let's be clear, Donald Trump has been using all of these trials — trying to incite further violence, further undermining of our democracy..." pic.twitter.com/dUEx7RJnQz
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) April 22, 2024
And who keeps putting him on trial?
And where is all this right wing violence?
Dem Rep. Jayapal Says Trump's Using Left's Attempts to Throw Him in Jail to Undermine Democracy
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/04/22/dem-rep-jayapal-says-trumps-using-lefts-attempts-to-throw-him-in-jail-to-undermine-democracy-n2395386
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Dem Rep. Jayapal Says Trump's Using Left's Attempts to Throw Him in Jail to Undermine Democracy
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/04/22/dem-rep-jayapal-says-trumps-using-lefts-attempts-to-throw-him-in-jail-to-undermine-democracy-n2395386
>:D Could that black female host be considered a "skinhead"?? >:D :rofl:
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It would be SO much fun to watch Trump show up at the steps with $175 million in one dollar bills...
I mean, he wouldn't stoop so low as to use pennies, right?
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It would be SO much fun to watch Trump show up at the steps with $175 million in one dollar bills...
I mean, he wouldn't stoop so low as to use pennies, right?
Would it even be possible to gather that many pennies? Are even that many in actual circulation because that would be over 17 BILLION pennies?