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Title: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: gunsmith on May 13, 2023, 08:39:35 PM
  an authoritarian lesbian left a very unpleasant voicemail for me, detailing how she "knows" I like talking to women  :rofl: but also that she has pictures of my car, had me followed and called the police.
 Of course, nothing came of it because it is not illegal to ask a lady over fifty years old out to coffee, or park in public and drive on roads.
 She's on the board of directors of a local club house where they have AA meetings .
 "right wingers" are "bad orange man supporters" but I was extra bad because NV law does not allow for concealed carry without a permit so I was forced to open carry,  we are a 45 minute drive to meetings in Cali and when I was told that me wearing a gun made people uncomfortable, I shrugged and recommended going to California ( Reno is very blue now , they aspire to be a mixture of San Francisco and Portland )
 I'm now banned, even if I do not carry or have the permit - I will reacquire it of course, its just going to be by the end of the summer - I'm working a lot  and saving up PTO to get business  done I put off during the plandemic .
  I want to fight back some how - all I could come up with on the googles is calling the IRS - but I only suspect corruption and malfeasance , NV has a law on the books saying its illegal to keep older people from recovery and therapy ( older is simply defined over sixty )  .
 I want to be super legal and aboveboard , AA is a spiritual program designed by what would now be considered a rightwing christian armed lunatic ( Bill Wilson was a champion marksman, winning shooting competitions in the early 1900's ) Him and Dr Bob encouraged Bible reading in order to stay sober but kept AA a non religious org in order to help as many people as possible .
 Now the clubs are run by people  with virtue signaling replacing religion and controlling what is said and who says it .
There is not really anything I find on the web as a means to fight back .
Anyone here ever successfully challenged the status quo of a non profit?
Anyone know how I look up where they get grants from?
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: 230RN on May 13, 2023, 09:32:28 PM
Forget it.

"Accept the things I cannot change."

It is now up to them to make amends to you.

Forget it.

Terry, Friend of Bill's, but never got my 30-year chip, 230RN

Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: French G. on May 13, 2023, 09:51:50 PM
Open your own chapter. In my limited experience with AAs they seem to replace one addiction with another. Coffee is a mild one. The sex addicts can be fun. You need to find the gun addicts and have a fun clubhouse.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: gunsmith on May 14, 2023, 12:38:41 AM
 both good answers, I just do not have the time/money to start my own clubhouse .
I'm gonna figure some ethical way to fight back

  no one knows how to research where a 501 c3 org  gets its grants from? isn't it public info?
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: 230RN on May 14, 2023, 03:21:02 AM
Is it really worth your efforts just to "get even?"

I don't think you're in a good enough position to complain to "officialdom" because uou were expelled, especially since it involves open carry of a firearm during the meeting.  Nowadays, sorry to say, facing reality, and considering your "opponent(s)," that weakens your position quite a bit, "rights" aside. Again, "facing reality."  Today's reality.

I know somebody here will come along with something about "Stand up for your rights or you'll lose 'em", and they're right, but not on this battleground.  I can almost see the headline, "Drunk takes gun to private meeting, Police called."

You can run through all the self-justifications you want to, but do you think "your side" is the only side that will ever be heard?

Nope. This "authoritarian lesbian"  will have the PR advantage.

Repeating my recommendation, and that's all I'm going to say about it any more:  "Let it go."

Terry, 230RN, dry since 1993.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: HankB on May 14, 2023, 07:40:25 AM
I think Terry has the right of it.

I can think of all kinds of "unofficial" ways to get even, and if done carefully some of them probably wouldn't even result in your arrest.

Probably.

Depending on the actual content of the "unpleasant voicemail" maybe forwarding it to the board of directors of the local clubhouse would have some negative repercussions for her, but from what you wrote the board may cheer her on.

Just walk away and don't look back is my advice.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: lee n. field on May 14, 2023, 08:52:11 AM
I'm also with "walk away".   She sounds like a borderline crazy person. (" detailing how she "knows" I like talking to women  :rofl: but also that she has pictures of my car, had me followed and called the police.")   Obsessed stalker? 

Walk away.  Lots of crazy people in the world.;  And keep on asking mature women out for coffee.  That sounds like a perfectly fine thing to do.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Pb on May 14, 2023, 09:15:44 AM

Walk away.  Lots of crazy people in the world.;  And keep on asking mature women out for coffee.  That sounds like a perfectly fine thing to do.

I agree.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Ben on May 14, 2023, 09:21:48 AM
Just walk away.

https://youtu.be/XPY5P0TaC4k
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 14, 2023, 11:31:37 AM
You're in the desert. Know anyone with a backhoe?

Just kidding



mostly.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: BobR on May 14, 2023, 12:11:11 PM
Lots of advice to drop it. That will work fine for you but probably not for her. Keep all voicemails or other communications so you have a case for harassment if needed.

As you know in NV you are perfectly legal open carrying into their clubhouse unless the owner (or person in authority) tells you not to. Is she the person in authority or is she just the authority in her mind? If you wanted to pursue it all you can do is contact the rest of the board find out if she can make the decision or if it has to be a board decision.

bob
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 14, 2023, 12:22:23 PM
Gunsmith, I think you're on the wrong track.

You said the woman who banned you is on the board of the "clubhouse" where they hold AA meetings. So why are you looking for income info on AA? They don't own the building, they just use it. AA meetings are held in all kinds of places, from hotel conference rooms to schools to church basements. If I understand it correctly, you weren't banned by AA, you were banned by the club that owns the building.

And that's their right. It's not a public property, it's private property. Stores can ban people who carry guns, malls can ban people who carry guns, and private clubs can ban people who carry guns. I don't like it any more than you do, but that's what is.

Who owns the club? Is the club a 501(c))3) non-profit? Do they get their funding from grants, or do they get their money from member dues and rental fees?

If you're going to joust with windmills, at least pick the right windmill.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2023, 05:31:18 PM
Get Lois Lerner on the case?
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 14, 2023, 06:07:28 PM

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If you're going to joust with windmills, at least pick the right windmill.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5QstPqWreI
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Bogie on May 14, 2023, 07:49:20 PM
This strikes me as being up there with "can't fight city hall."
 
Idea: Are there any local gun groups on facebook? Figure out a place to do an AA meeting once a month, and let folks know. Preferably a free spot for target shooting, discussion, whatever...  See if  you can get a range or three to sponsor, or at least allow a little free range/training room time?
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on May 14, 2023, 08:19:09 PM
I think Bender French G has the right of it.

"Start your own chapter, with blackjack and hookers."

It wasn't your chapter, you evidently weren't among the leadership of it and valued enough to at least have a discussion about the matter, and there's lots of other chapters.  Don't hang around people that don't value you, and definitely don't FORCE yourself onto people that don't value you.  Find another chapter or start your own.  Blackjack and hookers optional.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 14, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
Once again ... HE WAS NOT BANNED BY THE AA CHAPTER. He was banned by a member of the board of the club that owns the building.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: gunsmith on May 15, 2023, 12:39:24 AM
Once again ... HE WAS NOT BANNED BY THE AA CHAPTER. He was banned by a member of the board of the club that owns the building.

exactly, AA is a fine org.
Reno AA is messed up but globally and nationally - AA is just fine.

I could drive to more rural areas but I generally avoid leaving town with my current vehicle - it is such a beater that I do not drive further than a days walk from home .

I have not had a drink in over ten thousand days, God willing I will continue to be sober until my last breath .

The club is owned by a 501c3 corp,  but where they get their funding and who else is on the board?
If I knew some way to find out, that would be a good start.

I do not want to return there, ever.
I want them to have consequences for repugnant unlawful behavior.
( it is unlawful to keep older people from alcohol and addiction recovery under the Nevada Revised Statues N.R.S , I have no idea on how to bring legal action for it tho ) .

I do not need AA to be sober, I have no cravings for anything - I do not even put sugar in my coffee .
The hardest thing I ever have is ibuprofen and even that I do way less than most folks in their early sixties .

The good news is I have an extra hour or two per week now by not going .

right now my company is offering plenty of overtime - so I have been welding over 40 hours a week .
when it goes back to regular schedule my plan is to figure out what agency helps older people here in NV, contact the Attourney General and the IRS .

I blocked her phone number so, I probably will not be bugged by her again.

Thank you guys for the good advice, it is good advice - but I'm very angry and I intend to legally and ethically fight back.

NYC is the main office for AA, I will try talking to them too
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: zxcvbob on May 15, 2023, 01:12:53 AM
exactly, AA is a fine org.
Reno AA is messed up but globally and nationally - AA is just fine.

I could drive to more rural areas but I generally avoid leaving town with my current vehicle - it is such a beater that I do not drive further than a days walk from home .

I have not had a drink in over ten thousand days, God willing I will continue to be sober until my last breath .

The club is owned by a 501c3 corp,  but where they get their funding and who else is on the board?
If I knew some way to find out, that would be a good start.

I do not want to return there, ever.
I want them to have consequences for repugnant unlawful behavior.
( it is unlawful to keep older people from alcohol and addiction recovery under the Nevada Revised Statues N.R.S , I have no idea on how to bring legal action for it tho ) .

I do not need AA to be sober, I have no cravings for anything - I do not even put sugar in my coffee .
The hardest thing I ever have is ibuprofen and even that I do way less than most folks in their early sixties .

The good news is I have an extra hour or two per week now by not going .

right now my company is offering plenty of overtime - so I have been welding over 40 hours a week .
when it goes back to regular schedule my plan is to figure out what agency helps older people here in NV, contact the Attourney General and the IRS .

I blocked her phone number so, I probably will not be bugged by her again.

Thank you guys for the good advice, it is good advice - but I'm very angry and I intend to legally and ethically fight back.

NYC is the main office for AA, I will try talking to them too

I don't know much about AA, but I suspect this is not really your fight.  Talk to the the AA chapter president or 'Lustrous Potentate or whatever he's called.  Have AA contact the facility on your behalf; they are the ones with the lease.  They are the ones who should know how to press the issue on that NV Revised Statute.  If they're not willing to at least contact the facility management, they don't really want you there anyway.

Since a gun is at least peripherally involved and AA main office is in NYC, they are not going to help you -- they kinda wish you were dead (no offense)
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 15, 2023, 12:06:00 PM

The club is owned by a 501c3 corp,  but where they get their funding and who else is on the board?
If I knew some way to find out, that would be a good start.

A 501(c)(3) is a charitable not-for-profit organization. They are supposed to be engaged in charitable activities, they cannot engage in political lobbying or activism, and members cannot personally benefit. Depending on the state, non-profit corporations (assuming they are a corporation) may be registered with the state attorney general's office or with the secretary of the state's office. Start checking there to see if they are registered as a corporation. If so, the registration should include a list of the officers. (You may have to submit a formal FOIA request.)

If the group that owns the building isn't engaged in charitable activities, you could report them to the IRS and possibly get their 501(c)(3) status revoked.

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-501c3-organizations

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I want them to have consequences for repugnant unlawful behavior.
( it is unlawful to keep older people from alcohol and addiction recovery under the Nevada Revised Statues N.R.S , I have no idea on how to bring legal action for it tho ) .

Substance addiction, including alcoholism, is generally considered to be covered under the ADA. ADA violations are investigated by the federal Department of Justice. You can start by called the ADA assistance line:
https://www.ada.gov/infoline/


I wasn't clear from the opening post if she followed you, or if she had you followed. If she followed you and you have evidence to prove it, report her to the police as a stalker. If she had you followed -- who did the actual following and how do you know? There may or may not have been a crime committed -- check the Nevada laws on stalking.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: MrsSmith on May 15, 2023, 01:29:04 PM
Yep - different types of non-profits. A club will have a different designation than a charitable organization, which will be different from a trade association.
Some boards are just figureheads for the sake of organizational paperwork, and others actually govern. Some are funded by member dues and others by donations or grants. 

I won't tell you what I would do because I have been known to kick hornet's nests and I've paid for it every single time.
But I can't see any way this ends well if you pursue it. I realize you're angry, but try to look at the big picture. What result are you hoping to achieve? Who are you going to alienate or make an enemy of in the process? What would that mean for you long term?

Not to wax philosophical and all, but stuff like this usually boomerangs. What's she's doing is going to come back on her at some point. But so will whatever YOU do. I'd go to the range and get myself a little boom therapy until the anger passes.

And I agree with the others. You don't have to have a fancy clubhouse to start a chapter. You could have meetings in a park, at a local gun range, or maybe even a room at the local health department. Carve your own path, but take the high road to get there. 
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: 230RN on May 15, 2023, 01:36:31 PM
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"ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE."
You've been going to AA for how long now and that hasn't sunk in yet?
-------------------------

I said:

"...and that's all I'm going to say about it any more"

I lied.

You are not thinking straight.

You're gnashing your teeth in defeat, looking for any option, rational or not, to strike back and turn your defeat around.

Any, and I repeat any efforts you are proposing, except the somewhat impractical one of founding your own AA group, are bound to fail, which will only add to your sense of defeat.

This might well turn into a classic example of reciprocal escalating injuries eventually turning into a war you are in no position to win.
 
Once again:

I can almost see the headline, "Drunk takes gun to Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, Police called."

That's a major vulnerability, gunsmith.  You can bring up all the "justifications" you want to re-establish your self-esteem, but you are not thinking straight.

If you proceed, despite the unanimous recommendations to let it go and to walk away, it will be a self-defeating proposition.

And you will be creating your own troubles all over again.

Terry


Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Tuco on May 15, 2023, 02:07:35 PM
Go back to step 3.  And lean real hard into 6&7.
Then maybe 9 won't be so difficult.
You asked.
 
  an authoritarian lesbian left a very unpleasant voicemail for me, detailing how she "knows" I like talking to women  :rofl: but also that she has pictures of my car, had me followed and called the police.
 Of course, nothing came of it because it is not illegal to ask a lady over fifty years old out to coffee, or park in public and drive on roads.
 She's on the board of directors of a local club house where they have AA meetings .
 "right wingers" are "bad orange man supporters" but I was extra bad because NV law does not allow for concealed carry without a permit so I was forced to open carry,  we are a 45 minute drive to meetings in Cali and when I was told that me wearing a gun made people uncomfortable, I shrugged and recommended going to California ( Reno is very blue now , they aspire to be a mixture of San Francisco and Portland )
 I'm now banned, even if I do not carry or have the permit - I will reacquire it of course, its just going to be by the end of the summer - I'm working a lot  and saving up PTO to get business  done I put off during the plandemic .
  I want to fight back some how - all I could come up with on the googles is calling the IRS - but I only suspect corruption and malfeasance , NV has a law on the books saying its illegal to keep older people from recovery and therapy ( older is simply defined over sixty )  .
 I want to be super legal and aboveboard , AA is a spiritual program designed by what would now be considered a rightwing christian armed lunatic ( Bill Wilson was a champion marksman, winning shooting competitions in the early 1900's ) Him and Dr Bob encouraged Bible reading in order to stay sober but kept AA a non religious org in order to help as many people as possible .
 Now the clubs are run by people  with virtue signaling replacing religion and controlling what is said and who says it .
There is not really anything I find on the web as a means to fight back .
Anyone here ever successfully challenged the status quo of a non profit?
Anyone know how I look up where they get grants from?
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: 230RN on May 15, 2023, 02:19:52 PM
We may have to accept the fact that gunsmith can't take good advice.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: zxcvbob on May 15, 2023, 03:52:49 PM
We may have to accept the fact that gunsmith can't take good advice.

Do any of us take good advice when we are righteously [I chose that word carefully] pissed off?  I may have once or twice in my life, but I usually don't.   [ar15]
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 15, 2023, 04:43:04 PM
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Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: 230RN on May 15, 2023, 06:46:37 PM
Do any of us take good advice when we are righteously [I chose that word carefully] pissed off?  I may have once or twice in my life, but I usually don't.   [ar15]

I may have to accept the fact that Hawkmoon's remarks are painfully true.

But it's tough to balance righteous and practical.

Most of the remarks here are based on practical reality.

(Most of the time I just mutter "You son of a bitch" and march forward in life.)
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: 230RN on May 15, 2023, 06:54:53 PM
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Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: HeroHog on May 16, 2023, 01:54:16 AM
"Concealed means Concealed"?

AA, overall, to my firsthand knowledge, has proven to be effective and quite helpful to several close personal friends and family. Are SOME groups not exactly run to MY/My Friends liking? Sure! find one you like. In good size cities, there are usually several groups meeting at different times with different areas of instruction, at least there are in Shreveport, La.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: tokugawa on May 16, 2023, 08:47:59 AM
The problem with dealing with a crazy person, is that they have no concept of boundary's. You just found that out.
Her way of dealing with being an embittered bitch is to find people to antagonize while pretending some virtuous reason .
Leave it. Just leave it.

You do not know what is behind the door you seek to open.
 
Understand, she would welcome any opposition, and probably have a band of the insane to rally behind her.
This is the sort of *expletive deleted*it these asswipes live for. Because they have nothing else.

Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: 230RN on May 16, 2023, 12:18:01 PM
The problem with dealing with a crazy person, is that they have no concept of boundaries. You just found that out.
Her way of dealing with (herself --ed.) being an embittered bitch is to find people to antagonize while pretending some virtuous reason .
Leave it. Just leave it.


You do not know what is behind the door you seek to open.
 
Understand, she would welcome any opposition, and probably have a band of the insane to rally behind her.
This is the sort of *expletive deleted*it these asswipes live for. Because they have nothing else.
(Bolding and editing mine)


Like. General principle. Suitable for several situations. Worth repeating.

Remember, saying "You son of a bitch" must be sotto voce.

Terry, 230RN

REF (SCOTUS on fightin' words" and the FIrst Amendment):
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words

Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 16, 2023, 08:15:34 PM
"Concealed means Concealed"?


Gunsmith already mentioned that his carry permit has expired,, so he has to open carry.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: gunsmith on May 16, 2023, 11:03:46 PM
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I wasn't clear from the opening post if she followed you, or if she had you followed. If she followed you and you have evidence to prove it, report her to the police as a stalker. If she had you followed -- who did the actual following and how do you know? There may or may not have been a crime committed -- check the Nevada laws on stalking.

I noticed a car seemed to be tailing me, but all they could possibly discover about me is I lead a very boring life. I basically work and sleep, sometimes buy food, with my slim extra time and if I can afford ammo i go to an indoor range.
HOW I KNEW was the lesbian lady told me she had me followed and she knew where I went after leaving the clubhouse. There was a wake/memorial type thing for another sober alcoholic who died - she left a message detailing that she knew I went there. I thought that was very strange as all it does is prove I said kind things at a memorial and was nice to the mans family.
Unless I had ample evidence of being followed and harassed - nothing could or would be done - l blocked her phone number and I doubt I am being followed - she had me followed from the club - I have not been there since.
Gunsmith, I think you're on the wrong track.

You said the woman who banned you is on the board of the "clubhouse" where they hold AA meetings. So why are you looking for income info on AA? They don't own the building, they just use it. AA meetings are held in all kinds of places, from hotel conference rooms to schools to church basements. If I understand it correctly, you weren't banned by AA, you were banned by the club that owns the building.

I guess I wasn't clear, AA gets most of its $ from donations by members and I was not banned by AA


Who owns the club? Is the club a 501(c))3) non-profit? Do they get their funding from grants, or do they get their money from member dues and rental fees? that is what I am hoping you guys might know how to find out, if I knew where they get grants from, I would talk to them . I've heard they get grants and that why they restricted cigg smoking

If you're going to joust with windmills, at least pick the right windmill.
  that is why I am going very slowly with my project, and doing research

I will be calling AA headquaters in NYC for some advice, of course new yorkers would not be helpful WRT gun stuff - but that is not my angle - the clubhouse may be public accommodations and it could be unlawful to keep me out under the NRS which provides legal protections for older adults
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: HeroHog on May 17, 2023, 10:16:56 AM
Gunsmith already mentioned that his carry permit has expired,, so he has to open carry.

HAS to?

Understand, for now, I choose to carry within the restrictions of the law BUT, in the right circumstances, I will go by the CONSTITUTION, illegal laws be damned.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: tokugawa on May 17, 2023, 10:39:02 AM

I will be calling AA headquaters in NYC for some advice, of course new yorkers would not be helpful WRT gun stuff - but that is not my angle - the clubhouse may be public accommodations and it could be unlawful to keep me out under the NRS which provides legal protections for older adults

  It may not be YOUR angle, but sure as *expletive deleted*it, it Will be THEIR angle as soon as they find there was a firearm component to the event.

 
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: MillCreek on May 17, 2023, 12:40:18 PM
So speaking as someone who did malpractice defense and as a current risk manager, I sometimes have friends, family, or random people ask me about filing a malpractice claim or lawsuit.  I talk to them about liability, causation, and damages and the typical costs associated with pursuing a claim.  Most of the time, they don't have a case due to probably not being able to prove liability or causation, or the damages are too minor to interest plaintiff counsel.  I tell them that not every wrong has a cost-effective remedy, but they should certainly go talk with plaintiff counsel for a second opinion.  Is this one of those situations that does not have a cost-effective remedy?
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: zxcvbob on May 17, 2023, 12:52:20 PM
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I will be calling AA headquaters in NYC for some advice, of course new yorkers would not be helpful WRT gun stuff - but that is not my angle - the clubhouse may be public accommodations and it could be unlawful to keep me out under the NRS which provides legal protections for older adults

It doesn't matter what your angle is, your opponent gets a vote too.  Is there a state headquarters for AA?  If so, that's where you should start, not national.  They will be familiar with Nevada laws and should be less hostile towards you.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Bogie on May 17, 2023, 01:03:21 PM
Give it time, and go to other meetings in the area... I'm pretty sure that the meetings which she sees as "her" meetings aren't the only ones.
 
One day at a time, and don't try to fight City Hall.
 
Karma will bite her in the ass eventually.
 
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2023, 05:13:23 PM
If she's admitted to a crime in following you around, you should definitely talk the police about that, or at least look up the relevant laws, to see if what she did is actionable.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Tuco on May 17, 2023, 06:09:48 PM
There is no such thing as an AA club. The G.S.O. ("New York Office") has no affiliation with any building where AA meetings are held.
GSO recognizes AA Groups, but groups can't own property.  The buildings aren't AA.  See traditions 6 and 10.
World Services exercises no authority over an AA group's decisions or an AA group's landlord or lease agreements. Each AA group is autonomous.

https://www.aa.org/sites/default/files/literature/MG-3A_Relationship_AA_%26_Clubs%20EN.pdf (https://www.aa.org/sites/default/files/literature/MG-3A_Relationship_AA_%26_Clubs%20EN.pdf)

If you're hell-bent on nursing this resentment I suspect you'll get more sympathy from the police or an AA friend.
I noticed a car seemed to be tailing me,

Etc...

... lady told me she had me followed and she knew where I went after leaving the clubhouse.

Etc....

I will be calling AA headquaters in NYC for some advice,
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: 230RN on May 20, 2023, 06:54:51 AM
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Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: Boomhauer on May 20, 2023, 02:50:06 PM
I’d let it lie and this kind of psycho that she is will eventually piss enough other people off to get run off from her board.

If you have phone numbers of friends shoot them a text as that you won’t be returning because of her and her attitude.
Title: Re: how would somebody fight back against a non-profit?
Post by: gunsmith on May 21, 2023, 02:56:52 AM
all ok ideas if I was living in a bigger area, the fact is, AA in these parts are run with total disregard for AA principles and traditions.
 you would not understand unless you have been an active member of AA for over 20 yrs plus and extensive and prolonged study of AA literature.
There is no legal way to combat endemic problems in local AA because it is not illegal stack your family and friends into leadership positions . ( control the finances )
They create rules that do not apply to them, exist solely for fund raising and virtue signalling.
AA in Reno is not organized to facilitate recovery from alcoholism using 12 steps, it is a dysfunctional civic organization and the sole purpose is to redirect considerable funds and obscure where and how the money is being spent.
It has already been over a year since the incident occurred  I have only been to two meetings this year because a friend from out of town wanted me to take him to a local meeting .
I can stay sober without AA I really do not need it
I only told you guys about the egregious tip of the iceberg , it would take a novelette to detail precisely all the things that have happened over the years . 
 For instance I sent my good friend Nate there - Nate was a well known TV actor named Nathaniel Marston  and he was a really terrific person   it would take a long time to explain but the last thing we talked about was how "Effed up" Reno AA had been to him - he had one day sober and I sent him to a meeting and they totally stabbed him in the back and he went on a three day binge - the press said he wasn't drunk but I think all his blood was in the sand and they didn't do any other test for alcohol - but I knew he was drinking for the three days before he died .
Reno AA just screws people over and there is no legal way to fight back - I am determined to figure out a way tho - I can start by reducing grant money if I can find out where the grants are coming from .
But, I am done with this thread, please do not reply so it can slowly sink into obscurity, thank you