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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Kingcreek on May 22, 2023, 10:15:57 AM
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There is a lot of new attention to reparations not just in crazy California but elsewhere across the country. Rep Cory Bush (Missouri) the hoochie mama of hypocrisy, is calling for a 14 Trillion dollar federal reparations program.
If you are new to the concept, “reparations” is money taken from working tax payers that never owned slaves, and given to people who were never enslaved.
After careful consideration, I realized that I was a victim of reverse discrimination over 40 years ago, paid my taxes for many years, and now self identify as a descendant of black slaves. (Actually, there is some question about the true heritage of my paternal grandfather who was known locally as “black Luther” despite being part of a Swedish community on the Nebraska prairie)
So I eagerly await my rightful reparations payment.
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Family tradition talks about one of my great great grandmothers as being "black Dutch". I want my reparation money.
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I want my gov't cheese!
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I want my gov't cheese!
Lurvs me some government cheese.
Brad
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Stuff melted great and made really nice grilled cheese sammiches.
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Unfortunately, if you're a continually employeed hard working individual you are almost always on the "paying" side, not the "getting paid" side.
It was kind of a surreal experience when I got a covid shot "what, free? So you're going to send me a bill later, or...?"
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I'm looking forward to the runaway inflation that's going to occur after those trillions of dollars in reparations are paid out. That will be so much fun!
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I want my gov't cheese!
I don't know if it was meant for me, but I grabbed some free government nacho cheese once, I actually thought it was cheddar, but as I was leaving I heard a voice yelling after me "Hey Man, dat nacho cheese!"
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I don't know if it was meant for me, but I grabbed some free government nacho cheese once, I actually thought it was cheddar, but as I was leaving I heard a voice yelling after me "Hey Man, dat nacho cheese!"
ba-DUM-tish.
Brad
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"It was kind of a surreal experience when I got a covid shot "what, free? So you're going to send me a bill later, or...?""
Uh oh... Nick is one of THEM now...
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"It was kind of a surreal experience when I got a covid shot "what, free? So you're going to send me a bill later, or...?""
Uh oh... Nick is one of THEM now...
No reparations this decade. The BigGov decided to pay reparations to the pharma companies instead.
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They pass reparations
After the usual government handling fees your share comes to 37¢. Remember to include that in your income tax return. Have a nice day.
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No reparations this decade. The BigGov decided to pay reparations to the pharma companies instead.
They had slaves?
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They had slaves?
ssshhh. Not as far as you know. :-X
Wait, are you asking about Big pharma or BigGov? With BigGov, I guess the answer is obvious.
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I meant to ask if they were slaves?
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We're all slaves of the capitalist system. Now where's my money?
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Fire up the printers and give them their money. What's the worse that can happen?
Oh
(https://www.investopedia.com/thmb/rGJS1feUdhccHBIJBQjT4I8VSTE=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/1024px-Zimbabwe_-100_trillion_2009_Obverse-56aa09205f9b58b7d0008c39.jpg)
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Fire up the printers and give them their money. What's the worse that can happen?
Oh
(https://www.investopedia.com/thmb/rGJS1feUdhccHBIJBQjT4I8VSTE=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/1024px-Zimbabwe_-100_trillion_2009_Obverse-56aa09205f9b58b7d0008c39.jpg)
Zimbabwe is the most miserable country in the world according to an annual “misery index" that judges nations on mainly economic conditions.
The east African country beat war-torn Ukraine, Venezuela and Syria to the top spot amid soaring inflation.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/05/22/zimbabwe-ukraine-russia-uk-most-miserable-countries/
So hyperinflation is taking off . . . again. I'll bet a lot of residents there - black as well as white - are pining for the good old days when the country was called Rhodesia.
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Gandalf The White Returns As Gandalf The Black Upon Hearing About $1 Million Reparations
https://babylonbee.com/news/gandalf-the-white-returns-as-gandalf-the-black-upon-hearing-about-1-million-reparations
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So in my simple mind I wonder...
IF the enslaved ancestors had instead been left happily free and living in mud huts scratching out a few peas and dried fish, would their modern descendants be living better now? I'm not suggesting slavery is in any way moral or acceptable, but could the current reparations activists have actually benefitted from the plight of their ancestors?
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I think the answer is obviously yes.
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So in my simple mind I wonder...
IF the enslaved ancestors had instead been left happily free and living in mud huts scratching out a few peas and dried fish, would their modern descendants be living better now? I'm not suggesting slavery is in any way moral or acceptable, but could the current reparations activists have actually benefitted from the plight of their ancestors?
Slavery was ghastly, and a massive war ended it over 150 years ago. This is 2023, not 1750. Just compare the standard of living of people with African ancestry who live in the USA TODAY with the standard of living of people who currently live in Zimbabwe, Congo, Nigeria, Somalia, Burundi, Rwanda, Chad . . . and on and on and on. THAT is the legacy of slavery in a systemically racist country. Also consider migration patterns of people who are voting with their feet - where are people coming from and where are they going to.
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Reparations were paid in full at Shiloh, Antietam, Gettysburg and a thousand other places.
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Reparations were paid in full at Shiloh, Antietam, Gettysburg and a thousand other places.
Excellent point.
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Slavery was IS ghastly, and a massive war ended it in the USA over 150 years ago. This is 2023, not 1750. Just compare the standard of living of people with African ancestry who live in the USA TODAY with the standard of living of people who currently live in places where human slavery is still rampant, Zimbabwe, Congo, Nigeria, Somalia, Burundi, Rwanda, Chad . . . and on and on and on. THAT is the legacy of slavery in a systemically racist country. Also consider migration patterns of people who are voting with their feet - where are people coming from and where are they going to.
Adjusted that for you.
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Reparations were paid in full at Shiloh, Antietam, Gettysburg and a thousand other places.
If that's true, why the promise of 40 acres and a mule? Men gave their lives, and that should be appreciated, but even right after the war, it was still understood that those sacrifices couldn't actually repay the slaves for years, or generations, of mistreatment and stolen labor.
Of course, we can't do it now, either, since those generations are long gone.
In any case, can people please quit trotting out that flippant answer about the dead soldiers? Please? That's not reparations.
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Not to mention the over fixation on the institution of slavery while disregarding other institutions that enslave in other ways. Abolitionists failed to check the marginal analysis... slavery was horrible, but little was done to consider what would replace slavery and whether or how much the lot of the enslaved would improve. And that's because for many abolitionists, the enslaved weren't actually their main concern. Their concern was wages and the influence thereon by the existence of slavery.
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Slavery was unfortunately legal in the early USA and the CSA. No repartitions are owed for that reason.
I do remember something interesting local. My family toured a very old plantation home (1820's era I think- not a mansion, just a medium small house) some years ago. It was still in the original family, and we met the current owner... and a black man who was a descendant of some of the slaves from the plantation. The owner mentioned that when the slaves were freed after the war, their former master gave them a plot of land... where many of their descendants still live. I guess that was repartitions of a sort.
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Prepare for probably the dumbest thing you will read all month if not all year.
You ready?
Here it comes
You sure?
Okay here it is
You do understand that reparations would come from the government and not your wallet, right?
— Salem Snow (@Salem4Congress) August 19, 2023
Yeah, and this person is running for congress
Got that? IT'S FREE!
Bro, WHAT?! Social worker running for PA Congress tweets DUMBEST thing maybe EVER about gov. spending
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/21/salem-snow-reparations-n2386452
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Ah.... an Bernie Sanders acolyte...
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I imagine this illustrates the reason why this guy is being supported to run for office. The lobbyists and such don't want someone smart or capable critical of thinking in office.
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Prepare for probably the dumbest thing you will read all month if not all year.
You ready?
Here it comes
You sure?
Okay here it is
Yeah, and this person is running for congress
Got that? IT'S FREE!
Bro, WHAT?! Social worker running for PA Congress tweets DUMBEST thing maybe EVER about gov. spending
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/08/21/salem-snow-reparations-n2386452
Cedit cards are never paid off with only the minimum payment.
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And along comes NY
More vote pandering
New York Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul is facing backlash from Republicans in the state over her decision to establish a commission to explore paying reparations to descendants of slaves.
Hochul signed a bill Tuesday for a "community commission to study the history of slavery in New York state" to examine "various forms of reparations."
New York governor's reparations commission slammed as divisive: 'Slap in the face'
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-governors-reparations-commission-slammed-divisive-slap-in-face
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Several of my ancestors were murdered for being Union loyalists.
Some of my ancestors fought for the CSA.
I guess I should pay repartitions to myself.
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This sound like extortion to you?
NEW: Socialist Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is calling for reparations funding for black Chicagoans to reduce violent crime.
Johnson may be the dumbest mayor in American history.
During an interview with CNN, Johnson said that city funds must be diverted to reparation programs… pic.twitter.com/SMdTUYJ8Ea
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) December 30, 2023
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/01/01/chicago-reparations-crime-n2391246
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This sound like extortion to you?
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/01/01/chicago-reparations-crime-n2391246
Sounds more like bribery.
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Several of my ancestors were murdered for being Union loyalists.
Some of my ancestors fought for the CSA.
I guess I should pay repartitions to myself.
The Romans spend nearly 400 years repressing and enslaving my English and Welsh ancestors.
ITALY NEEDS TO MAKE ME WHOLE!
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Levar Burton just found out that he has a confederate soldier for an ancestor.
Scott Adams: "How much does he owe himself in reparations?"
:rofl:
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/21/scott-adams-levar-burton-n2391997
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So in my simple mind I wonder...
IF the enslaved ancestors had instead been left happily free and living in mud huts scratching out a few peas and dried fish, would their modern descendants be living better now? I'm not suggesting slavery is in any way moral or acceptable, but could the current reparations activists have actually benefitted from the plight of their ancestors?
Of course they would. Their mud huts would all have television and Internet, and they'd all have smartphones.
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So in my simple mind I wonder...
IF the enslaved ancestors had instead been left happily free and living in mud huts scratching out a few peas and dried fish, would their modern descendants be living better now? I'm not suggesting slavery is in any way moral or acceptable, but could the current reparations activists have actually benefitted from the plight of their ancestors?
Just compare the standard of living Black people in the USA right now with the standard of living of Black people in places like Chad, Somalia, Rwanda, Burundi, Congo, Gabon, etc., today, and you'll have your answer.
And follow migration patterns, comparing the movement of people from Africa to the USA with emigration from the USA to Africa. Even the most vocal critics of our supposed "systemic racism" are unwilling to move elsewhere. People vote with their feet . . .
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The Romans spend nearly 400 years repressing and enslaving my English and Welsh ancestors.
ITALY NEEDS TO MAKE ME WHOLE!
My family history is well established to Scotland, Ireland and England and one sliver of Huguenot franchise. (Not where my name derives) But my DNA comes back with German presumably from the Huguenot bunch, and Norse. So were my people oppressed, oppressing, so confusing. Better ask for money just to be sure.
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"NEW: Socialist Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is calling for reparations funding for black Chicagoans to reduce violent crime.
Johnson may be the dumbest mayor in American history."
Dumb mayor, indeed. Simply handing large amounts of money to a population with generational habits of violence and low impulse control would make things worse for most of them. Give each person a million dollars and half or more of it will end up in the hands of casinos. Most of the rest will be spent on cars and homes that the buyers won't be able to afford to maintain once their lump sum is blown. I'd wager that within a few years, most will have lost everything, and some would be dead who wouldn't have been otherwise, either from being able to afford more drugs, or being shot in a robbery for their expensive car / clothing / jewelry.
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"NEW: Socialist Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is calling for reparations funding for black Chicagoans to reduce violent crime.
Johnson may be the dumbest mayor in American history."
Dumb mayor, indeed. Simply handing large amounts of money to a population with generational habits of violence and low impulse control would make things worse for most of them. Give each person a million dollars and half or more of it will end up in the hands of casinos. Most of the rest will be spent on cars and homes that the buyers won't be able to afford to maintain once their lump sum is blown. I'd wager that within a few years, most will have lost everything, and some would be dead who wouldn't have been otherwise, either from being able to afford more drugs, or being shot in a robbery for their expensive car / clothing / jewelry.
Plus, once they see that they can just demand money and get it -- they'll demand more, and then more, and then more again. It will turn into the world's largest protection racket, with the city as the protectee.
"Nice city ya got here -- be a shame if it was to burn down."
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"NEW: Socialist Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is calling for reparations funding for black Chicagoans to reduce violent crime.
Since the mayor himself is a black Chicagoan, doesn't that mean HE will be in on a piece of the action?
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Plus, once they see that they can just demand money and get it -- they'll demand more, and then more, and then more again. It will turn into the world's largest protection racket, with the city as the protectee.
Already happening.
From 2021:
https://www.kcentv.com/article/entertainment/300-to-be-a-good-citizen-san-francisco/500-04e06261-c889-4455-ae0a-9c47e6553b73
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2021/08/14/new-york-city-2-n48816
From 2016:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/cities-have-begun-to-challenge-a-bedrock-of-american-justice-theyre-paying-criminals-not-to-kill/2016/03/26/f25a6b9c-e9fc-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html
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Just compare the standard of living Black people in the USA right now with the standard of living of Black people in places like Chad, Somalia, Rwanda, Burundi, Congo, Gabon, etc., today, and you'll have your answer.
And follow migration patterns, comparing the movement of people from Africa to the USA with emigration from the USA to Africa. Even the most vocal critics of our supposed "systemic racism" are unwilling to move elsewhere. People vote with their feet . . .
https://youtu.be/EB7zy0MaP-U?si=ARAFk_7AxoVirNZA
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Remember friends reparations is not about putting money into the hands of normal people but to provide a rich endless stream of unaccounted for money into the politicians pockets.
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Remember friends reparations is not about putting money into the hands of normal people but to provide a rich endless stream of unaccounted for money into the politicians pockets.
That, plus it's a "politically correct" way of paying people for their votes. In another word: bribery.
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I wonder about something...
Say various entities DO start handing out huge amounts of money to individuals as, say, San Francisco/California has promised to do.
One would have to believe that anyone eligible for those payment would get them, no strings attached (also something that has been promised), including hard-core drug addicts...
Which would likely cause a spike in overdose deaths...
At what point will some start claiming that reparations from whitey was just a cynical scheme to kill off POCs?
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I wonder about something...
Say various entities DO start handing out huge amounts of money to individuals as, say, San Francisco/California has promised to do.
One would have to believe that anyone eligible for those payment would get them, no strings attached (also something that has been promised), including hard-core drug addicts...
Which would likely cause a spike in overdose deaths...
At what point will some start claiming that reparations from whitey was just a cynical scheme to kill off POCs?
Standard liberal playbook
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At what point will some start claiming that reparations from whitey was just a cynical scheme to kill off POCs?
Oh, the claims have already been written, they're just waiting for the right time to make them public.
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Levar Burton just found out that he has a confederate soldier for an ancestor.
Scott Adams: "How much does he owe himself in reparations?"
:rofl:
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/21/scott-adams-levar-burton-n2391997
Someone else who owes themselves reparations but she still manages to twist it
'View' host Sunny Hostin stunned to learn her ancestor was a slaveholder: 'That's disappointing'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/view-host-sunny-hostin-stunned-learn-ancestor-slaveholder-disappointing
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I'm working on a theory that all the talk about reparations is a smokescreen to distract from the real issue of black land loss in the South.
People don't make nuanced, case by case evaluations of anything nowadays, so if you can turn people against an entire category of ideas by polluting the waters with preposterous rage-bait, you can potentially avoid having to deal with people who have legitimate grievances because public opinion will dismiss them by association.
The real question as always is not what we are seeing front and center but why we are seeing it and what's behind the curtain.
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Are you saying that you believe the people active in pushing the concept of modern reparations are secretly trying to poison the well against black people’s legitimate concerns?
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It seems likely. The macro trend in the US overall is a massive migration of wealth from older northern cities to the southeast; it's basically a land rush in progress and there are still billions to be made bilking people out of their land on technicalities, land that all of a sudden is worth something. It's nothing that hasn't been happening for generations but the demographic trend is making it harder to sweep under the rug. The sooner "they" can create a culture-war wedge out of a non specific concept of "reparations", which the shallow conservatives will inevitably oppose not with reasoned principle but with gut feeling, the better for those who would like to be able to keep stealing land and keep getting away with it.
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That's an interesting perspective, zahc.
If I'm understanding your theory correctly, you see Floridian gentrification being driven by a secret cabal of northern elites with the complicity of black political activists such as Sheila Jackson Lee, John Conyers, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Al Sharpton, Cornel West, Henry Louis Gates Jr., and black organizations such as the NAACP, NAARC? Or in your model, are these people and groups unwitting pawns of the cabal, being used as puppets by the elderly, wealthy, liberal New Yorkers who are cunningly pitting "shallow conservatives" against their black strawmen, who they also can't wait to steal land from?
I don't know that you're wrong, but so far I don't find the theory particularly compelling or necessary to fit the facts.
It seems much more likely to me that the pattern of wealthy people and corporations buying low-value land from its largely poor owners, increasing the value of that land through investment in building and use of political pressure to improve public services and amenities, and then profiting from the increased value has little to nothing to do with reparations or race. It happens across the country, at various scales, across time, and without respect to the race of the poor landowners. I'm not even convinced that it is even universally or exclusively a bad thing.
It also seems likely to me that poor, black landowners are feeling the same pressure felt by poor landowners across the racial spectrum.
But, again, I don't know for certain that there isn't a Jewish Cabal secretly manipulating the dumb black people to demand reparations because the cabal knows that will anger the dumb conservatives which will cause a backlash against the black landowners that the cabal can use to mask their nefarious plot to build townhouses and pickleball courts. Reality doesn't always line up with the most reasonable, rational, or simplest explanations, so maybe you're spot on.
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Much simpler.
Southern gentrification is being driven not by a secret cabal but mainly by air conditioning. And tax policy, which is itself an outcome of unsustainable fiscal policies in the North. The south is not any more fiscally responsible. Their bills just haven't had as much time to come due.
The black political activists are just grifters.
Black land loss in the south is a big, looming issue that's been going on since the civil war but is getting harder to sweep under the rug as the land becomes more attractive. The USDA lawsuits of the 90s were a warning and the government and the ones benefitting really doesn't want any repeats because the whole thing stinks to heaven, looks bad for Democrats, and amounts to hundreds of billions of value.
But otherwise, I do think the reparations media storm is a smokescreen for something, potentially an attempt to avoid stopping theft in progress, cover up recent, actual -racist shenanigans, and/or get out of paying legitimate reparations.
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Looking for $15 billion in Boston. They've also got a little "black churches white churches" thing going.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/03/28/black-churches-reparations-white-churches-n2394404
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Um, weren't church-going Bostonians pretty much the vanguard of American abolitionism?