Post by: Monkeyleg on September 21, 2007, 08:51:53 PM
Sorry, but that's not the case. Ever since the Political forum was created, every moderator has been bombarded with complaints about one post or another that's offensive.
Sometimes, the person complaining may be simply looking for a way to strike back at his "adversary." More often than not, though, the person complaining has a legitimate beef.
The APS Political forum exists because the Legal and Politcal forum on The High Road simply got out of control. It was the belief of the APS moderators, based upon the past conduct of APS members, that such a situation would not happen here.
Well, it did. Othewise well-respected and congenial members have engaged in conduct that can hardly be termed "polite."
APS only exists because of Oleg Volk's generosity. And, if the forum deteriorates into the same sort of cesspool that resulted in the Legal and Political forum being removed from THR, well, that can happen here as well. In fact, the entire APS forum could disappear.
If you disagree with another poster's position, that's fine. But don't phrase your statements in words that you wouldn't say to that person's face.
IOW, think twice, post once.
It would be a shame to see APS go away.
Post by: RevDisk on September 21, 2007, 09:03:36 PM
Might be wise just to nuke Political forum now.
Post by: Fly320s on September 22, 2007, 02:56:49 AM
I suspect that 10% of APS members are causing 90% of the problems. Get those 10% under control (or booted) and most of the problems are fixed.
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on September 22, 2007, 03:43:44 AM
I suspect that 10% of APS members are causing 90% of the problems. Get those 10% under control (or booted) and most of the problems are fixed.
We've already started that.
And, in all fairness, the percentage of trouble makers is much, much less then the 10% you guestimate.
With rare exception, it's the same lovely 3-4 people in 99% of the threads.
It's just that those few do such a wonderful job of being a problem.
Personally, it's getting old.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 22, 2007, 03:54:28 AM
Post by: mtnbkr on September 22, 2007, 04:36:25 AM
Chris
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 22, 2007, 07:15:22 AM
Post by: K Frame on September 22, 2007, 07:33:42 AM
I seriously doubt that there will be any mass cull simply because most posters here have shown a remarkable propensity for maintaining level-headed discussion.
As long as you can do that, you have nothing to fear.
There are numerous threads in which I could get down and dirty and really into a no hold barred debate. I simply walk away from them now when they start to heat up, secure in my knowledge that I'm right and that the other person is wrong.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 22, 2007, 07:37:07 AM
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I simply walk away from them now when they start to heat up, secure in my knowledge that I'm right and that the other person is wrong.
Funny, I do the same thing. It's amazing how often we're right.
Chris
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 22, 2007, 07:38:08 AM
Post by: Thor on September 22, 2007, 07:48:27 AM
You guys can't always be right, cause I'm always right.
What if you're BOTH right ?!?!?!
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on September 22, 2007, 08:21:40 AM
EVERYONE knows that Mike is always right.
And that no one ever agrees with him.
Dasmi- There is to be no mass culling. The mods got together and realized that almost all of us had given "one last warning" to a couple of particualr posters. We decided that these people had enough "last warnings".
This is not based on one, two, or even three warnings. But instead, on many, many warnings.
Now to more important business: How can we blame this on Fistful?
Post by: SomeKid on September 22, 2007, 09:06:17 AM
We could use the old tried and true communist method. We have determined you are to be guilty of something, so you are.
Post by: RevDisk on September 22, 2007, 09:39:17 AM
Now to more important business: How can we blame this on Fistful?
Waterboarding, stress positions, sensory deprivation, and suspension of habeas corpus. If that does not work, we lock him in a padded room and turn on the Yanni.
Post by: Phyphor on September 22, 2007, 09:43:48 AM
Ex-MA Hole, you're just mad because you can't blame this situation on me.
In all fairness, no he can't.
But you're the forum scapegoat so we're just gonna assume that somehow, it's your fault.
Post by: K Frame on September 22, 2007, 11:07:04 AM
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I simply walk away from them now when they start to heat up, secure in my knowledge that I'm right and that the other person is wrong.
Funny, I do the same thing. It's amazing how often we're right.
Chris
According to Michelle, you're 100% wrong.
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 22, 2007, 11:33:06 AM
Impossible.
EVERYONE knows that Mike is always right.
And that no one ever agrees with him.
Dasmi- There is to be no mass culling. The mods got together and realized that almost all of us had given "one last warning" to a couple of particualr posters. We decided that these people had enough "last warnings".
This is not based on one, two, or even three warnings. But instead, on many, many warnings.
Now to more important business: How can we blame this on Fistful?
EVERYONE knows that Mike is always right.
And that no one ever agrees with him.
Dasmi- There is to be no mass culling. The mods got together and realized that almost all of us had given "one last warning" to a couple of particualr posters. We decided that these people had enough "last warnings".
This is not based on one, two, or even three warnings. But instead, on many, many warnings.
Now to more important business: How can we blame this on Fistful?
NNooooo.....don't ban me!
Have we thought about maybe making the Politics hole only accessible to "friends"?
Or, unmoderating it and leaving it to burn?
Those are my measly suggestions. YMMV.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 22, 2007, 11:41:51 AM
Chris
Post by: MechAg94 on September 22, 2007, 03:09:56 PM
I did notice a few threads locked that had been going on all week.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 22, 2007, 04:00:21 PM
Post by: roo_ster on September 22, 2007, 06:31:37 PM
Now to more important business: How can we blame this on Fistful?
Waterboarding, stress positions, sensory deprivation, and suspension of habeas corpus. If that does not work, we lock him in a padded room and turn on the Yanni.All were tried on one particularly tough terrorist. All failed, though Yanni did get him to sweat a bit.
Then an enterprising interrogator downloaded some particularly nefarious ditty onto his iPod. All he had to do was show the terrorist the LCD, scrolling the words of the artist:
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 22, 2007, 06:47:54 PM
Post by: Thor on September 22, 2007, 07:30:09 PM
Post by: Balog on September 22, 2007, 08:30:13 PM
Post by: K Frame on September 22, 2007, 10:24:30 PM
No.
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on September 23, 2007, 01:13:41 AM
Should we?
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on September 23, 2007, 01:14:40 AM
Mike, I want to be the first to thank you for the clear, and well articulated answer.
Should we?
Should we?
Or do we add another classification?
Or do we leave it and see if the waves settle?
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 23, 2007, 04:09:59 AM
Post by: K Frame on September 23, 2007, 06:38:55 AM
Mike, I want to be the first to thank you for the clear, and well articulated answer.
Should we?
Should we?
NO
From my message announcing the Politics Place...
"Yes, it is something of an experiment to see if a political forum that is not devoted to a single view point (Democratic Underground, Free Republic) can actually thrive.
I, personally, think it can."
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 23, 2007, 06:46:27 AM
Post by: Gewehr98 on September 23, 2007, 10:01:25 AM
Post by: Bogie on September 24, 2007, 05:12:21 AM
Post by: K Frame on September 24, 2007, 05:27:20 AM
Post by: RevDisk on September 24, 2007, 12:00:07 PM
I still have the Yanni at Santorini VHS tape.
Say... what is the lat, long and altitude of said tape? For some reason, USSTRATCOM wants it. They're going on about "DJNO" and "preemptive first strike" something or other.
Post by: charby on September 24, 2007, 01:29:42 PM
Foghorn Leghorn: That's what I've been - I say, that's what I've been telling you, boy! I am a chicken!
[Henery hits Foghorn on the head with a shovel and drags him away]
Henery Hawk: He talked me into it.
Foghorn Leghorn: I'm just a loud-mouthed schnook.
Henery Hawk: Chicken or schnook, in our oven he'll look good.
Post by: roo_ster on September 24, 2007, 01:59:28 PM
I still have the Yanni at Santorini VHS tape.
Say... what is the lat, long and altitude of said tape? For some reason, USSTRATCOM wants it. They're going on about "DJNO" and "preemptive first strike" something or other.
Post by: Mannlicher on September 25, 2007, 03:45:57 PM
Post by: longeyes on September 25, 2007, 03:54:20 PM
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I'm not going to say "I told ya so" yet, but historically, open discussion of religion and politics has been a cause of contention, not peace and brotherhood.
You had peace and brotherhood in the womb; you'll get it again when you're dead. The game here is evolution through sturm und drang.
Post by: K Frame on September 25, 2007, 04:34:02 PM
Can you tell me where I, or any of the other mods/admins, have said that there won't be contention?
You can't.
What we have said is that contention can be done politely, civilly, and without every discussion devolving into a riot in the monkey house.
Is that conceptually so hard to fathom?
If you're just going to sit around, waiting like a vulture to screech "TOLD YOU SO," I'd suggest finding another board.
Post by: StopTheGrays on September 25, 2007, 05:26:15 PM
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I'm not going to say "I told ya so" yet, but historically, open discussion of religion and politics has been a cause of contention, not peace and brotherhood.
You had peace and brotherhood in the womb; you'll get it again when you're dead. The game here is evolution through sturm und drang.
Post by: Mannlicher on September 26, 2007, 04:20:21 AM
"I'm not going to say "I told ya so" yet, but historically, open discussion of religion and politics has been a cause of contention, not peace and brotherhood."
Can you tell me where I, or any of the other mods/admins, have said that there won't be contention?
You can't.
What we have said is that contention can be done politely, civilly, and without every discussion devolving into a riot in the monkey house.
Is that conceptually so hard to fathom?
If you're just going to sit around, waiting like a vulture to screech "TOLD YOU SO," I'd suggest finding another board.
Can you tell me where I, or any of the other mods/admins, have said that there won't be contention?
You can't.
What we have said is that contention can be done politely, civilly, and without every discussion devolving into a riot in the monkey house.
Is that conceptually so hard to fathom?
If you're just going to sit around, waiting like a vulture to screech "TOLD YOU SO," I'd suggest finding another board.
now that was downright uncalled for, and petty. But you have presented a pretty good solution for me, at any rate. Adios dude.
Post by: K Frame on September 26, 2007, 05:28:06 AM
No.
What's petty is kicking back and with obvious glee waiting for and categorizing any possible crack as an opportunity to tell everyone how magnificently prescient you are.
As I said, it's pretty obvious that the entire concept has escaped some people who should be more than able to figure it out.
Post by: Risasi on September 26, 2007, 12:17:11 PM
I still have the Yanni at Santorini VHS tape.
...uh, Christmas present?
Post by: Bogie on September 26, 2007, 02:06:00 PM
Mike, if you were running an election, wouldn't you try to do something around viral media? I'd have a coupla boiler rooms, fulla kids who are being paid VERY well to keep their traps shut (and promised political jobs in the future), whose express purpose would be to further the election strategy. Take 100 of these true believers, and give each of them 100 chat rooms/forums to monitor. At a post a minute (and some can be literally copy/paste), they can sling some serious media out there...
Heck - I wonder how much of the "vote for anyone but a republican" stuff is coming from out of the country...
Post by: Thor on September 26, 2007, 08:14:57 PM
Heck - I wonder how much of the "vote for anyone but a republican" stuff is coming from out of the country...
Probably more than you want to realize.