Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on November 23, 2007, 05:24:07 PM
Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy in Desert
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A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.
The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.
The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.
Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.
Post by: Manedwolf on November 23, 2007, 05:44:03 PM
That's supposed to prove something?
A bunch of illegals just had a machete fight on a public street in New England. And last year, an illegal working with a carnival attacked and raped a woman walking in a park in Keene, Nh, where things like that pretty much never happened. How many singular good acts does it take to offset all the harm that willing lawbreakers do every day?
Post by: Nitrogen on November 23, 2007, 05:56:33 PM
I'd also say he probably deserves some special consideration on getting legal status for his help.
Still doesn't change my mind about sending the lot of the illegals back to Mexico, though.
And I say this as a Liberal. I stil don't understand how most Liberals can be on the other side of this issue, as it has obvious considerations for unions and labor, for instance...
Post by: Thor on November 23, 2007, 06:00:56 PM
Post by: SomeKid on November 23, 2007, 08:14:45 PM
This one illegal alien gets special consideration.
I still say build a wall and kill any invaders.
Post by: gunsmith on November 23, 2007, 11:54:48 PM
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on November 24, 2007, 03:19:19 AM
Post by: Fly320s on November 24, 2007, 06:41:33 AM
But he still violated the immigration laws of the US. And the US border is still porous. Mr Cordova could have just dropped-off a load of nuclear weapons. Or worse... Liberty Dollars that will bring destruction of the US currency system.
Post by: seeker_two on November 29, 2007, 06:37:27 AM
How about a wanted bank robber?.....
Criminal is criminal....
Post by: Jamisjockey on November 30, 2007, 04:06:03 AM
Very nice story.
This one illegal alien gets special consideration.
I still say build a wall and kill any invaders.
This one illegal alien gets special consideration.
I still say build a wall and kill any invaders.
Special consideration for what?
If you rob a bank, but then stop to help a little old lady cross the street, YOU ARE STILL A CRIMINAL. This man may have done the right thing, but he's still a criminal.
Post by: danny on November 30, 2007, 04:57:27 AM
Post by: Firethorn on November 30, 2007, 08:32:02 AM
Send him back with instructions on how to apply to come here legally. Expedite his request.
Step 1: Fix our messed up system for legal immigration.
Step 2: Mine the borders.
Post by: WeedWhacker on December 02, 2007, 04:08:44 AM
If a person wants to come to the US as a peaceable person and earn an honest, productive living for themselves and/or their family, I'd love to have him or her as a next-door neighbor.
If a person wants to come to the US to win back "Atzlan" or to lead a life as a thug, I won't be shedding a tear if they happen to die of lead poisoning, the same as any thug.
Building a wall to keep others out can very well be used to keep US IN!
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 02, 2007, 07:35:12 AM
Post by: Tecumseh on December 02, 2007, 11:16:22 AM
If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
Post by: Manedwolf on December 02, 2007, 11:20:18 AM
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...
If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
Oh, please. Not THAT tired canard again.
How about if we go back to the immigration policy of when that plaque was put up, then? When ALL the immigrants were quarantined at Ellis Island and subject to rigorous medical exams before being allowed to set foot on the mainland, and anyone with a disease was summarily sent back to their point of origin with complete loss of what they paid to legally come? How about that, huh?
Jesus christ...
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 02, 2007, 12:39:14 PM
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...
If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor, your diseased, your criminals, your MS-13..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor, your diseased, your criminals, your MS-13..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
What Maned said.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 02, 2007, 01:04:55 PM
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...
If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
Oh, please. Not THAT tired canard again.
How about if we go back to the immigration policy of when that plaque was put up, then? When ALL the immigrants were quarantined at Ellis Island and subject to rigorous medical exams before being allowed to set foot on the mainland, and anyone with a disease was summarily sent back to their point of origin with complete loss of what they paid to legally come? How about that, huh?
Jesus christ...
did we really have a single port for all immigrants? no one came in fr4om canada? the west coast?
Post by: WeedWhacker on December 08, 2007, 06:41:45 PM
She can't meet the requirements to legally emigrate to the USA.
What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
The US' immigration policy is mostly crap.
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 09, 2007, 02:59:17 AM
I have a Brazilian friend. She has at least one four-year college degree, comes from a wealthy family, has no criminal record, speaks at least three languages, has been employed constantly AFAIK (translator, public relations, business manager), and is even currently working and living in the USA (on some sort of work visa).
She can't meet the requirements to legally emigrate to the USA.
What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
The US' immigration policy is mostly crap.
She can't meet the requirements to legally emigrate to the USA.
What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
The US' immigration policy is mostly crap.
So is the Justice system, but we don't excuse Phedophiles just because they are hard working and have families.
The second they cross the border they break the law. Then, to work, they break other laws. Driving without insurance and licenses. Stealing identities. Then they move into neighborhoods and turn them into Tijuana north by breaking zoning laws. 4 families, or 10 workers move into an apartment. Then, thier children band together in poor neighborhoods and join gangs. Like MS13. Then they clog up emergency rooms and free clinics, get welfare (with the stolen identiy), etc etc.
But hey. They are hardworking people. We should just give them a pass.
Because they contribute to the economy far more than they take from it, right? Quote
What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
That person is not my problem. We have plenty of poor hardworking (or would be hardworking) American citizens within our own borders.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 09, 2007, 04:29:37 AM
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What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
That person is not my problem. We have plenty of poor hardworking (or would be hardworking) American citizens within our own borders. AW, geez! Now ya done it. Here comes the "But who will pick our lettuce?" argument.
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 10, 2007, 04:42:16 AM
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What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
That person is not my problem. We have plenty of poor hardworking (or would be hardworking) American citizens within our own borders. AW, geez! Now ya done it. Here comes the "But who will pick our lettuce?" argument.
How about welfare mothers? Or homeless people? Or prison inmates?
Post by: roo_ster on December 10, 2007, 05:39:25 AM
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...
If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
Those words were written by a socialist who also wrote odes to the greatness of Henry George and William Morris. If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.
I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals. What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
That is not someone who either embodied the values that made America great or is someone who needs emulating today. We already have enough limousine leftists and have no need to resurrect the 19th century equivalent.
Post by: CAnnoneer on December 10, 2007, 08:11:54 AM
I have a Brazilian friend. She has at least one four-year college degree, comes from a wealthy family, has no criminal record, speaks at least three languages, has been employed constantly AFAIK (translator, public relations, business manager), and is even currently working and living in the USA (on some sort of work visa).
She can't meet the requirements to legally emigrate to the USA.
What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
The US' immigration policy is mostly crap.
She can't meet the requirements to legally emigrate to the USA.
What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
The US' immigration policy is mostly crap.
If you want to cover EVERYBODY in the world with a chance to come to the US, run a lottery, but control the number of winners per year. Then EVERYBODY has a chance, albeit a small one. But that's the problem, isn't it? How small is big enough? There will always be many people that decide that chance is not good enough, and they will try to break our laws and come here illegally. That is why we need enforcement.
As far as the "open borders" folks go, I strongly encourage them to visit our major metropolitan areas and live in each one for a month or two. It is very easy to believe that this country can absorb an arbitrary amount of immigration when you live in the countryside. Once you go through traffic jams when you try to go ANYWHERE, suddenly things like overpopulation, urbanization, and suburban sprawl get into focus.
As far as qualified applicants go, such as highly trained professionals and the wealthy, I have always supported immigration for them, because they truly make our country stronger, disproportionately so to their numbers, and because being educated and polyglotic makes them easiest to integrate in society. We should continue the braindrain from the rest of the world as one of the policies that would help us remain the greatest nation in the world. Hence, although I am pretty much aligned with NumbersUSA on most issues, I never ever supported or sent faxes in support of the plain stupid attacks on H visas. H visas is not the problem; illegal waves of the poor of the world are.
Btw, cassandrasdaddy, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about illegals and Hispanics. May we know what your angle is?
Post by: WeedWhacker on December 10, 2007, 09:13:51 AM
Quote from: jamisjockey
So is the Justice system, but we don't excuse Phedophiles just because they are hard working and have families.
The second they cross the border they break the law.
The second they cross the border they break the law.
RrrRRRAAAWWWRR!! (Uh oh, now you've done it!) What is the purpose of "law"? When a law no longer serves the purpose of "law", what good it is? Be careful - if you fall into the trap of assuming that power is justification enough for "law", then every successful mugger in the land is automatically a "law"-maker.
If "law" is to be absolute and obeyed without question, then Rosa Parks should have just given up her damned seat. Those idiot farmers were totally at fault for themselves getting tried and executed for treason when they had the audacity to resist a 25% tax on whiskey (nevermind that little party in the Boston harbor over something around a 4% tax on another beverage)...
Next, note that I said nothing about justifying the actions of those that choose to break a law. The consequences for breaking the law and getting caught are on no one's head save the person who made the choice. Nonetheless, even our crap "Justice" system recognizes the circumstances and motivation for breaking a law, and can adjust punishment accordingly - shouldn't you also be able to manage that?
Post by: WeedWhacker on December 10, 2007, 09:23:12 AM
Quote from: CAcannoneer
As far as the "open borders" folks go, I strongly encourage them to visit our major metropolitan areas and live in each one for a month or two. It is very easy to believe that this country can absorb an arbitrary amount of immigration when you live in the countryside. Once you go through traffic jams when you try to go ANYWHERE, suddenly things like overpopulation, urbanization, and suburban sprawl get into focus.
I'm not sure "open borders" is the way to go. However, it should be abundantly clear that unless you've got mad scientist skills and bags of money, the US generally makes it hard or impossible for otherwise industrious, hard-working people to emigrate. That is broken and should be changed. Granted, my version of emigration implies that folks are moving to the US to integrate into the culture of the US (once was 'freedom', 'hard work is rewarded', 'equality under the law'; not so much anymore), not simply to make another ye-olde-country island here in the US.
That said, who cares about urbanization? If a city-liver gets tired of the crowds and the madness, why not move into the country? I've been doing a lot of cross-country driving, and let me tell you, there's space for billions. With a "b". Personally, I'm getting rather fed up with Vegas' internal collapse due to lack of infrastructure - can't imagine how it would be in places like L.A. Regardless, rather than trying to bust into all the McDonalds around here and round up everyone who doesn't have official government papers, I'm chomping at the bit to get out of here. The blight of cities is a FACT OF CITY LIFE.
Post by: CAnnoneer on December 10, 2007, 09:32:46 AM
That said, who cares about urbanization? If a city-liver gets tired of the crowds and the madness, why not move into the country?
Because most of the well-paying jobs are in the city. It is the nature of human society and the physical limitations of logistics that dictate it. To some extent, these imperatives can be beaten by advanced communications, e.g. the internet and satellite uplinks, but not by a sufficient margin to make enough of a difference.
The second problem with your argument is it does not take into account pollution and ecological preservation. Will it be really a good idea or even possible to turn this country into L.A. border-to-border? I think not.
The third problem is that the preservation of basic individual freedoms is anticorrelated with population density. When people live in close proximity, they affect one another more and more, and all sorts of statists, socialists, and commies get to have a disproportionate influence, trampling freedoms and pushing their twisted agendas "for the common good". Do we really want more of that?
Post by: WeedWhacker on December 10, 2007, 09:44:36 AM
Because most of the well-paying jobs are in the city. [...]
The second problem with your argument is it does not take into account pollution and ecological preservation. Will it be really a good idea or even possible to turn this country into L.A. border-to-border? I think not.
The third problem is that the preservation of basic individual freedoms is anticorrelated with population density. When people live in close proximity, they affect one another more and more, and all sorts of statists, socialists, and commies get to have a disproportionate influence, trampling freedoms and pushing their twisted agendas "for the common good". Do we really want more of that?
The second problem with your argument is it does not take into account pollution and ecological preservation. Will it be really a good idea or even possible to turn this country into L.A. border-to-border? I think not.
The third problem is that the preservation of basic individual freedoms is anticorrelated with population density. When people live in close proximity, they affect one another more and more, and all sorts of statists, socialists, and commies get to have a disproportionate influence, trampling freedoms and pushing their twisted agendas "for the common good". Do we really want more of that?
I fail to see how any of your points pertain solely to immigration; they seem to be just another example of the inherent problems of city life.
Or do you believe that all those "Mexican dirt farmers" are going to snatch up all those high-paying city jobs?
Post by: CAnnoneer on December 10, 2007, 11:22:21 AM
I fail to see how any of your points pertain solely to immigration; they seem to be just another example of the inherent problems of city life.
Or do you believe that all those "Mexican dirt farmers" are going to snatch up all those high-paying city jobs?
Or do you believe that all those "Mexican dirt farmers" are going to snatch up all those high-paying city jobs?
They will not take my job anytime soon. But, they do concentrate in the cities, where they can draw benefits and use schools and healthcare paid for by MY taxes. I would be more easily swayed in allowing "Mexican dirt farmers" to migrate here if they relocated to unoccupied land and cultivated it for their own, with government permission but without gov help, e.g. in 18-19th c. style of colonization. But virtually none of them do that. If they do not end up as criminals, they draw benefits or work odd jobs paid under the counter as gardeners, janitors, or restaurant help, while their large families COST US MONEY and CONGEST OUR CITIES.
By comparison, if left to native-born plus controlled high-quality low-number legal immigration, we will stabilize population-wise to a comfortable "replacement" level of about 250 million, retaining our money, our country, and our freedoms. If you are interested, visit NumbersUSA and read up on this.
It should be a no-brainer choice for the average voter.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 10, 2007, 12:21:55 PM
wow lets assume that bit was true then you would be opposed to our present system that mandates your version of rerallity continue. if they could come here legit they might be ale to pay taxes(i'll allow you to squint and pretend that many of them don't already pay taxes)
Post by: WeedWhacker on December 10, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
Quote from: CAcannoneer
they do concentrate in the cities, where they can draw benefits and use schools and healthcare paid for by MY taxes.
BINGO!
Welfare, government healthcare, government "services", and lastly, even public schools are a complete and utter financial blight on our standard of living, standard of health, and standard of education. Eliminate them, let the workers keep the money they earn, and the problems you specifically identified above cease to be an issue. On top of that, with competition comes better products and services! A win for everyone!
Post by: roo_ster on December 10, 2007, 01:44:52 PM
Post by: CAnnoneer on December 11, 2007, 03:31:29 AM
wow lets assume that bit was true then you would be opposed to our present system that mandates your version of rerallity continue.
Clarify.
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if they could come here legit they might be ale to pay taxes(i'll allow you to squint and pretend that many of them don't already pay taxes)
Please. What taxes do they pay? The ones, and that's many if not most of them, that are paid under the table pay no federal or state income tax. In the "best" case scenario, Jorge steals an SSN and becomes a janitor or a minimal-wage restaurant help, making say $20k an year. What taxes does he pay on that, $1k? Especially after all credits put in for dependents, head of household, etc. Meanwhile, he drains thousands from the system in "free" healthcare and perhaps as much as $30k per kid per year by "free" public schooling and other programs. And that is the "best" case scenario. He and his family are a net social drain of well over $100k per year. We are better off if he stayed wherever he came from.
A modern semi-socialist society cannot get richer by importing hordes of unskilled poor; in fact it only gets poorer. It is amazing how simple this is and yet how few people actually get it. What illegal immigration imports is poverty and all its evils, pure and simple.
c-d-, I am still waiting to hear what your angle is. Are you illegal? Are you married or related to one?
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 11, 2007, 03:47:51 AM
Clarify."
our current failed system of immigration makes it i,possible for most of them to pay taxes or truly assimilate. we wall them out then wonder why they isolate
and as to the reallity
Illegal Immigrants are Paying a Lot More Taxes Than You Think
Eight million illegals pay Social Security, Medicare, and income taxes
By Shikha Dalmia
Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America's bedrock belief in fairness. But many "pull-up-the-drawbridge" politicians want to do just that when it comes to illegal immigrants.
The fact that illegal immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes. Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation's hospitals, schools and welfare programs consuming services that they don't pay for.
In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.
Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers. Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets.
The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid. But no one Democrat or Republican seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid the government-funded health care program for the poor to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid "theft of these benefits by illegal aliens," as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it.
But, immigrants aren't flocking to the United States to mooch off the government. According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don't have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS' scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers. No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows.
What's more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers that the Social Security administration stashes in the earnings suspense file added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.
Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children. The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families most of whom are illegal are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume.
Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed. To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program. Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn't be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs.
The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don't want here in the first place. With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.
Shikha Dalmia is a senior analyst at Reason Foundation, a free-market think tank. This column was originally distributed by the Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service.
"But that does not mean that all illegal immigrants -- even those with fake documents -- avoid taxation. Together with immigrants who hold temporary protected status, illegal immigrants in the region paid about $1 billion in taxes in 1999, the study found. That is because there are other taxes unrelated to income: All buyers pay sales tax on new television sets, and tenants generally pay property tax in their rent."
Households of illegal immigrants -- who constituted 22 percent of the immigrant population in 2000 -- and those with temporary protected status earned an average of $53,000 and paid 19 percent in taxes."
and as to my angle i was born here to my naturalized mom and my dad who was also born here. i just hate seeing any group dumped on it offends the irish in me. plus i've come to dislike cretain elements in the anti crowd.
and please don't misunderstand i don't lump you in that group
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/04/AR2006060400965.html
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 11, 2007, 04:55:01 AM
the last few paragraphs are best
Post by: CAnnoneer on December 12, 2007, 07:36:19 PM
I would like to see the math by which a cash-paid unskilled worker with four kids in free K-12 and access to free emergency medical services is not a drain but a gain to the system.
As far as the snopes links goes, yes, there is a lot of misinformation and outright errors out there. I do not deny that. But, at least as far as the illegal prisoners go, I know for a fact that snopes is wrong. I know from a friend that works with prisoners that roughly 30% are illegal.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 13, 2007, 04:10:49 AM
better have your friend call snopes
Post by: The Rabbi on December 15, 2007, 03:22:59 PM
Yet another illegal immigrant thread.
At least this time the "law and order" folks are honest enough to say "kill 'em all at the border."
Like that's going to happen.
Every time I have challenged one of these guys to come up with a plan that might actually work and that won't involve: 1) killing people for the crime of border crossing, ala the Stasi; or 2) Wreck the U.S. economy which is heavily dependent in some sectors on cheap labor; or 3) Turning the U.S. into a police state (papers, please?), I get...nothing. No one has a solution within these parameters. Which means no one has a solution.
There is no solution that will involve law enforcement. The only viable one is a system of open work permits coupled with biometric ID cards.
Post by: wooderson on December 15, 2007, 04:07:05 PM
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Sorry, but the article makes no sense whatsoever. If you are paid under the table, exactly how are deductions made from your paycheck?
Many aren't paid under the table, duh. For example, a number of the people who work back of the house in restaurants are illegals - but they're working on a borrowed/forged work permit or through other means of protecting the restaurant. A chain isn't going to pay its workers in cash, the liability is far too great.Quote
I know from a friend that works with prisoners that roughly 30% are illegal.
So your friend has firsthand knowledge of all prisoners? Wow, that's impressive.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 15, 2007, 05:24:50 PM
if we legalized em we could free up a lotta prison space