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Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« on: December 19, 2007, 03:25:53 AM »
I've looked high and low (and I'm an accomplished surfer) and I can't seem to locate a video clip of Kruschev layin' in to the podium with that big ole' soviet hobnail, October 1960.

Any clues?

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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2007, 03:54:26 AM »
The left wing media doesn't air that clip any more since it reflects badly on socialism. So now they are trying to let it die in the fog of history, and never let it see the light of the internet.
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2007, 03:54:52 AM »
Just kidding.
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2007, 04:06:42 AM »
No video, but here's a pic:

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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007, 04:15:19 AM »
there are a few reenactments on Youtube

We will bury you
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev famously used an expression generally translated into English as "We will bury you!" (transliterated as My vas pokhoronim!) while addressing Western ambassadors at a reception in Moscow in November, 1956.[1] The translation has been controversial because it was presented out of context as being belligerent. The phrase may well have been intended to mean the Soviet Union would outlast the West, as a more complete version of the quote reads: "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you"a meaning more akin to "we will outlive you" than "we shall kill you".
Several online sources incorrectly claim that he made this statement at the United Nations General Assembly on October 11, 1960, when he is said to have pounded the table with his shoe, or with an extra shoe he had brought with him explicitly for that purpose. [2] (Occasionally these incorrect reports give the date October 12, the date this incident was reported in most newspapers.)
Speaking some years later in Yugoslavia, Khrushchev himself remarked, "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you", [3] a nod to the popular Marxist saying, "The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism." Khrushchev later went on to explain that socialism would replace capitalism in the same manner that capitalism itself supplanted feudalism.

http://www.newstatesman.com/200010020025

That day, Khrushchev announced he would be leaving the United States on Thursday 13 October. The UN and New York took a deep breath. I also sighed with relief. On Tuesday 11 October, the Soviet leader addressed the UN one last time. The argument was heated as usual, but no shoe was indicated. I prayed: "You've done what you could. Please, go home. We are all tired." On Wednesday 12 October 1960, there it was, on the front pages of all national papers: Nikita Sergeyevich and his famous shoe. My heart fell. I was in a state of shock, probably no less than those in the UN hall 40 years earlier. Swallowing tears of disappointment, I stared at the page for minutes, then the words started to turn into sentences.

The head of the Philippine delegation, Senator Lorenzo Sumulong, expressed his surprise at the Soviet Union's concerns over western imperialism, while it, in turn, swallowed the whole of eastern Europe. Khrushchev's rage was beyond anything he had ever shown before. He called the poor Filipino "a jerk, a stooge and a lackey of imperialism", then he put his shoe on the desk and banged it.
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 04:20:23 AM »
Did We Say 'Any'?
http://www.filmarchivesonline.com/fun.shtml
Our slogan may read "Any Shot, Any Time, Any Way," but occasionally even we get stopped in our diligent research tracks by news footage inquiries that are a little, well, far fetched. Herewith, we present --

FILM Archives' Top 10 Most Requested Shots
That Simply Don't Exist!

10. From the world of heavyweight boxing: Cassius Clay versus Mohammed Ali (he is one and the same sports personality).

9. Civil War footage (there were no film cameras in 1865; the first movie cameras appeared around 1898).

8. Audiences wearing 3D glasses in 1950s movie theaters (to the best of our knowledge only still photos of this scene exist).

7. An angry (former Soviet Premier) Nikita Khrushchev at a United Nations conference in the early 1960s slamming his shoe on the desk in front of him to make his point (the actual footage shows him banging his fistthe cameras may not have captured the shoe slam, if indeed there was one.)

6. Footage of Abraham Lincoln's assassination (see number 9).

5. Eliot Ness arresting Al Capone (Ness never arrested Capone).

4. 1912 Titanic disaster footage in the North Atlantic (there are only re-creations).

3. Workers constructing the Brooklyn Bridge (that was in the late 1800sbefore motion picture cameras came on the scene).

2. Any 20th Century U.S. President appearing with his mistress in the same shot, such as JFK and Marilyn Monroe (it never happened--except for Clinton with Lewinsky).

1. Real UFOs landing (trust usthere are neither ships from other worlds nor little green men anywhere in the news archives).
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 04:21:46 AM »
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Khrushchev later went on to explain that socialism would replace capitalism in the same manner that capitalism itself supplanted feudalism.

An interesting statement.  I always wondered if any form of government could remain stable over time, or if governments ran in cycles.

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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2007, 04:24:53 AM »
John Loengard, former picture editor for Life magazine, wrote me that
he was in a General Assembly booth, along with 10 or so photographers
from New York city dailies and national wire services. Loengard is
certain that Khrushchev did not bang his shoe on the desk, but
that he certainly meant to do so. According to Loengard,
Khrushchev reached down and took off a brown loafer from his right
foot and put it on the desk. He grinned to delegates from the United
Arab Republic who sat across the aisle and mimed (with an empty hand)
that the next time hed use the shoe to bang. I can assure you that
every camera in the booth was trained on Khrushchev, waiting for him
to use the shoe. He only put it on again and left. None of us missed
the picture  which would have been a serious professional error. The
event never occurred. A woman whose parents emigrated from Ukraine
wrote to say that her husband, who was getting ready to go to work,
happened to see it as he was walking past the TV. He told me to run
quickly to watch, and we stood there transfixed, she wrote. We had
a house guest at the time  my cousin Sonia, who was here from the
Soviet Union on a visit. When we told her what had happened she didnt
believe us. Eventually, other relatives who had also been watching
told her they had seen it, too, so she finally conceded he must have
done so.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=148670
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2007, 04:27:42 AM »
There are plenty of Universal newsreels of him and his delegation banging their fists on the table to protest, but none with the shoe.


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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2007, 04:41:29 AM »

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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2007, 04:56:53 AM »
Huh. I swear I've seen video.... maybe a reproduction for a film?

Thanks guys.

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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2007, 04:58:03 AM »
from the above google research link:

It does seem clear that at least one photo (possible made from
television footage) exists:
"At the time daily PSA's ran on television describing how to build a
home bomb shelter. That was followed by a picture of Khrushchev
pounding his shoe on the table at the UN yelling 'We will bury you!'"
http://www.anvilfire.com/FAQs/archives/g102002a.htm
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2007, 12:55:59 PM »
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Khrushchev later went on to explain that socialism would replace capitalism in the same manner that capitalism itself supplanted feudalism.

An interesting statement.  I always wondered if any form of government could remain stable over time, or if governments ran in cycles.


The dialectic was a very important communist idea.  That is, something like feudalism came along (a thesis), then capitalism arose in opposition to it (antithesis), then socialism emerged from the conflict, as a synthesis.  Then, something would arise in opposition to the new thesis of socialism, and the dialectic continues. 

I don't know if capitalism would really be the antithesis of feudalism, but it's just an example. 
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2007, 04:33:26 PM »
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I don't know if capitalism would really be the antithesis of feudalism, but it's just an example.

No, actually.  Corporatocracy, the new capitalism replicates feudalism.  ie, we're all basically serfs working for the man who owns the means of production.  IOW, capital rules and labor is exploited.

That's feudalism.

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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2007, 06:45:41 AM »
Let's not take a thread where someone was simply looking for a video of a hotheaded premiere pounding on a table and turn it into a political discussion, aye?

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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2007, 03:25:30 PM »
The inevitable outcome of the historical dialectic is that every thread will turn into a political thread.
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2007, 03:31:49 PM »
The inevitable outcome of the historical dialectic is that every thread will turn into a political thread.


Until it turns into a pancake thread. 
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2007, 03:53:40 PM »
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2007, 04:01:00 PM »
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2007, 04:07:48 PM »
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2007, 06:10:44 PM »
"The true mad scientist does not make public appearances! He does not wear the "Hello, my name is.." badge!
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2007, 06:32:13 PM »
"The true mad scientist does not make public appearances! He does not wear the "Hello, my name is.." badge!
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Re: Looking for a video clip.... Kruschev's shoe
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2007, 04:16:08 AM »
Kruschev was Ukranian.  He should have a млинці or a гречаники on his head.
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