Author Topic: Need help with local /Federal LEO Do you have to be an MP/ 11B/ Rifleman Type?  (Read 3141 times)

AF_INT1N0

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Hey everyone.  I have been on THR now for a couple of years.  And Ya'll probably know that I'm in the Air Force stationed in NORCAL.  Anyway, I am likely to need to find a new job in the next couple of months.  Don't worry, I'm not in trouble.  Anyway I was looking into going LEO.  Probably local to Federal, or straight to Federal.  But I had some questions in regards to qualifications.  Mostly as to whether or not I'm qualified.  See I do have .mil experience, but not MP/ 11B rifleman type experience.  Of LEO that crossed over anyone not Police/ Infantry?

Thanks.

AF

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1) I don't see how 11bang-bang would transfer into civilian police work.
 
2) How much time do you have in? And how old are you? And what rank are you now? If you can hold out for 20, then you can pretty much do whatever you want after that. Because ANY job is going to mean doing what someone else wants you to do.
 
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1) I don't see how 11Bwould transfer into civilian police work.

I don't get it either, but a lot of law enforcement hire prior service, esp infantry.  I ran into a customs guy on the way back from leave who was a former Marine Infantryman.

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Lots of former Infantry types are now LEO's. 
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Don't forget to look into the border patrol, as long you aren't over their age limit. You will get to visit hot, desolate areas, learn a new language and see a lot of the same people over and over. Like deploying to crap hole, but still in the US.

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Experience in Combat Arms is by no means a prerequisite for most law enforcement positions, but Infantry guys like me often get bumped to the top of the interview pile for a number of reasons, such as:

1. We're used to working in a command structure that expects people to receive an Op Order and accomplish the mission with a minimum of oversight.

2. Weapons qual won't be a circus.

3. We're used to being required to maintain a higher standard of physical fitness.

4. We're trained to think fast and deal with high stress situations (theoretically).

Any military background will also benefit an applicant, of course, since all military life helps build up patience and resilience to endless amounts of bullplop.  Not to mention meeting certain uniform and appearance standards, the phonetic alphabet, radio operation procedures, et cetera.
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When I was an active duty MP Officer, most of my soliders had joined the Army as MP's for the following reasons:

1.  They wanted to be hometown cops, deputies or state troopers
2.  Most Departments have a min age of 21. (they were 18-19)
3.  They could put 4 years of LE experience on their application. (Even though my platoon was direct support to a Mech Infantry brigade and we did maybe 4-6 weeks of Garrison Law Enforcement per year, the rest of the time we were out in the field playing "motorized infantry".  But hey, who's counting....)
4.  Veterans Preference Points
5.  They also took CJ correspondence course and other college classes available on-post.  Several got their Associates in CJ and even a few managed to get their Bachelors.
6.  They could show that they had already been through a "Police Academy"  (MP AIT or OSUT). So they most likely have the mental and physical ability to complete the civilian version. 

Compare that to the guy who maybe took CJ classes at ITT or Comunity college or even the guy with a BS in CJ from a "real" University, versus a former MP who during the interview can talk about having done Traffic stops, breaking up Barfights, taking statement, interviewing witnesses, investigating and securing crime scenes, etc.   BTDT vs "I read about it in a book/sat through a class on that."

Even Non-MP types understand chain of command, can follow orders, and for the most part think on their feet in periods of extreme crisis/duress.   That's why most PD's like hiring ex-military.
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If you like to fly I hear they're hiring Sky Marshalls as there is a big turnover there. shocked rolleyes cool

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Yeah, that's gotta be boring, since the passengers basically won't accept Johnny Jihad jumping up and saying that he's going to alter course... Airport/airline security is a waste...

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Okay, first post here. Only a matter of time until the server at my work detects the name of this place as being "inappropriate for a school environment" and it gets blocked. Took two years for that to happen for my primary hangout during lunch time (like now), http://www.defensivecarry.com So I should have awhile to chat here before I get blocked by the school site filters.

I'm a former US Army Officer (Infantry Captain) from the 1980s. I did 4 years active and ten more in the IRR until the great Clintoon RIF that forced me out, otherwise I'd have made 06 by now and been deployed several times. ~sigh~

I got my BA Degree in 1980 in Criminal Justice. There was that active and IRR time.  Took the police exams for multiple departments when I left active duty, never scored below a 90. Each time I was interviewed I had "flunked" the psychological. I always had an interview to explain the rejection. They never quite used the term trained killer but it was always "Your psych profile suggests that if you werte on a task and something or someone got in the way, you might not be inclined to STOP. That's always bad for risk and liability...." I eventually was accepted as a State Probation and Parole Officer where I served before going to law school which I quit when I married a high school teacher and became one myself. I've now served 12 of my 18 year career in the inner city.  Don't count on having a combat arms designator to get you into the academy. MP works much better.  Whups time to start my sociology class! Later.
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Heh... One time I took a "stress management psych profile" test...
 
For me, the best way to deal with stress is to remove the cause of the stress. Which generally means "get the job done and over with." Of course, sometimes there's need for the backhoe...

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For me, the best way to deal with stress is to remove the cause of the stress. Which generally means "get the job done and over with." Of course, sometimes there's need for the backhoe...

Keep that backhoe AWAY from my areas!!!

I've had far too many headaches caused by a moron with a backhoe.

backhoe + 200 pair buried fiber cable = headache.

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Okay. No problem.

Got a wood chipper?

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It helps if the cable is encased in red concrete. 
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No stressor is too large that it can't be reduced with the proper application of a shaped charge.....  cool
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Too many cops these days think they're 11B's as it is.  We don't need any more.
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Okay. No problem.

Got a wood chipper?

That'll work...

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It helps if the cable is encased in red concrete.

What would the fun be with that?  Of course, last time they had to work extra hard to cut through the conduit pipe first...