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Polishrifleman

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Wolves
« on: February 12, 2008, 10:49:21 AM »
I found this while searching around and thought it would make a good read for a lot of wolf topic issues.

http://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 04:52:12 PM »


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Re: Wolves
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 04:58:02 PM »
What's the best way to cook 'em?

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 06:11:20 PM »
On my only trip to Isle Royale I didn't have the pleasure of seeing any wolves.

Toward the end of our week long trip the winds during the day were sustained at 30mph with gusts going way harder than that.

We arrived at North Lake Desor with very little daylight left and due to the winds we were forced to camp away from the normal campsite. Birches were falling in the designated camp area, two decent size trees came down while we were there! 

After getting our tents up and a quick meal I escaped the wind, rain and cold and retired to the comforts of my tent. I didn't fall asleep right away due to the howling wind coming over the ridge and the sounds of cracking branches. Then slowly the winds relented and quiet started to fall upon the lakeside.

As I was in the twilight zone between being awake and asleep I heard a wolf call out off to the west of our camp, then off to the south I heard a reply. For awhile longer I heard the occasional howl until I succumbed to slumber, serenaded by wolves!

Nobody is on the Island during the winter except for a small study group, here is their blog:
http://isleroyalewolf.org/wsjournal/wtrstdy/index/index.html

From the shore of Lake Desor






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Re: Wolves
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 06:55:39 PM »
Bogie, being in MO I think deep fried would be best. grin

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 08:34:23 PM »
Bogie, being in MO I think deep fried would be best. grin

With sausage gravy!

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 11:28:08 PM »
Thanks for posting the links.

I have not been to Isle Royale in years. 

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 04:22:41 AM »
Here is a link to my webshots album Tecumseh. We spent a week backpacking there.

http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/560712104HWNYgp

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 06:17:51 AM »
Bogie, being in MO I think deep fried would be best. grin

With sausage gravy!

If you let the wolf eat a pig first, you don't NEED sausage gravy.....
Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 08:01:23 AM »
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From the shore of Lake Desor

Sounds like a line from a Robert W. Service poem  laugh
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2008, 02:19:06 PM »
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Sounds like a line from a Robert W. Service poem 

Had to Google him to see what you meant. I ran across some good stuff of his, thanks!

Here is a Fox I did see on that same trip.




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Re: Wolves
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2008, 02:46:16 PM »

Here is a Fox I did see on that same trip.





How did it taste?....
Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 03:11:30 PM »
Hmmm... Last fox I saw was hanging upside down from a pole...

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2008, 04:33:49 AM »
If I were the fox, I'd be on the run!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGpVLfdPV34

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2008, 04:50:15 AM »
People who can't simply see an impressive photo of wildlife, especially wild predators, without making a snarky comment about killing it for no reason? Well, they raise their ***hole quotient in my perception. Tongue

Is there some reason why saying such things is necessary? Is it an attempt to offend? To impress others in some kind of competition with the animal? Do you have to blurt something that declares you superior to the animal because you're capable of destroying it? Is there some part of the psyche that prevents one from simply saying nothing, or just "That's a nice photo of a beautiful animal", that causes one to go, subconciously, "Hurr hurr, I must make a joke about the animal being dead or shot or cooked."

Doesn't impress me, that's for sure. I can see things of beauty in the wild, and my reaction is to just watch or take pictures, not to immediately want to destroy them for no reason at all.

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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2008, 05:38:11 AM »
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People who can't simply see an impressive photo of wildlife, especially wild predators, without making a snarky comment about killing it for no reason? Well, they raise their ***hole quotient in my perception.
Ha ha ha,
I'm used to it! My backpacking buddy is a hunter and his bow comes on our trips in southern Illinois in hope of fresh venison backstrap for dinner! Our other buddy we go shooting with kills animals for a living, his company is called Wildlife Solutions! All his solutions end badly for the wildlife. When he gets done trapping and killing animals for a living he goes out, hunts and kills more to unwind!

Odd thing, on a different board I frequent someone was looking for bobcat recipes! There doesn't seem to be any formulation that could convince me to eat bobcat, lol.

Fox on the run? The little guy above took off as I was takin pics of him...


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Re: Wolves
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2008, 05:45:59 AM »
I have absolutely no problem with hunting for something you're going to eat. Lots of people I know do that. Venison is good to eat, and you're working more for your meat than you would if you just went to the grocery store.

But someone who just shoots things just for the sake of killing them, especially wild predators who aren't threatening them? Yeah, they're a jerk with an inferiority complex, who subconsciously needs to destroy things instead of just appreciating them as they are.

To me, part of the beauty of such things is the elegance of motion, which means they're alive. Seeing a glimpse of a wolf among the trees, peering at you, then vanishing, is a special thing. I can't fathom why someone would want to destroy it just because they can, unless they have some sort of psychological condition going on where they think they have something to prove. Or they're sadistic.


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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2008, 05:57:23 AM »
I've had a standing offer to bring my AR and hunt coyote a couple hours west of where I live.

Since I've been back into hiking and backpacking I have had the chance to see more than a few yote's in the wild.

Being such a dog lover I can't see myself shooting them. My above mentioned buddy the killer has taken a couple yote's this year with his AR. Just doesn't hold any appeal to me.

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2008, 06:15:26 AM »
I also don't see the point of killing animals just for the sake of killing them. If you're going to eat it or use the fur or you have to control the population for some reason, I don't see a problem with it. I even think it's ok to have fun doing it. But it strikes me as sadistic to kill animals just for fun. I worry about people who kill things for recreation alone.

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2008, 06:32:19 AM »
There's also the fact that I've volunteered in wildlife rehab, and had to deal with wild predators that someone took a shot at just for fun.

While deer always have the same blank, bland, stupid expression at all times...something like a wolf or coyote, if hurt, has the same eyes and depth of expression as your family dog.

You can see that they're in pain as they're recovering from an injury, you can see them try to figure out the recovery cage latches with an inquisitive paw, you can see fear, and you can see that they're actually thinking. Everything you can see in a domestic dog's expressions and body language, it's all there, expressive ears to tail wagging or tucked to a wet nose. And with wolves, there's a fascinating, focused clarity of expression that even dogs lack.

(And when there was a litter of grey fox kits that had been washed down a drain and rescued, one kept "killing" leaves, bringing them to me and looking all tail-wagging happy and proud about that, which was a need-insulin level of cute.)

So I really can't understand someone deliberately wanting to hurt or kill one that's not a threat, not rabid, not endangering anyone or anything. They're just going about their business, otherwise, being a rather smarter sort of dog that can live on its own in the wild. I'd rather leave them there and feel lucky to catch a glimpse when I can.


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Re: Wolves
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2008, 06:41:48 AM »
I leave them alone as long as they're not too close to the house.  Coyotes are okay, but I like my cats better.

A neighbor a mile away just had a horse killed by a cougar.  Pardon me if I'm not too thrilled about the beauty of wild cougars.  shocked
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2008, 06:56:18 AM »
People who can't simply see an impressive photo of wildlife, especially wild predators, without making a snarky comment about killing it for no reason? Well, they raise their ***hole quotient in my perception. Tongue

Is there some reason why saying such things is necessary? Is it an attempt to offend? To impress others in some kind of competition with the animal? Do you have to blurt something that declares you superior to the animal because you're capable of destroying it? Is there some part of the psyche that prevents one from simply saying nothing, or just "That's a nice photo of a beautiful animal", that causes one to go, subconciously, "Hurr hurr, I must make a joke about the animal being dead or shot or cooked."

Doesn't impress me, that's for sure. I can see things of beauty in the wild, and my reaction is to just watch or take pictures, not to immediately want to destroy them for no reason at all.

As someone who personally lives his life by the motto "If you're not going to eat it or it isn't going to eat you, don't kill it", I'd like to offer you another of my life-altering mottoes.....

Chill out....it's a joke....laugh and move on.....



This is a beautiful photo of a magnificent creature.......that needs pepper.....  grin

Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.