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drewtam

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Refined Craftmanship
« on: March 13, 2008, 07:18:56 PM »
This might be better on THR, oh well...

There are different kinds of firearms for different goals. I am new to guns and have only 2 rifles, WASR-10 and a Ruger 10/22. My WASR/AK is a crude beast. But boy is it reliable, the cheapest wolf ammo never even hiccups without cleaning. And cheap too! A heavy hitting 30 cal for $400.
The 10/22 is a little more refined, but its design goal seems to be low cost, reliable, semi-accurate. Other people have firearms that are more powerful, more accurate, ergonomic, or "pretty" with special carvings.

But what firearm in your experience is a highly refined work of art, from a craftsmanship point of view?
What I'm thinking of is the analog to the BMW inline-6 or the Ferrari V12's or the Toyota UZ (V8) engine. Beautiful sounding. silky smooth, overly engineered. Pieces of engineering art due to their choice of design and refined craftsmanship. But its hard to make the analog work for firearms.

So lets hear the stories about the guns your passionate about. Is it all about accuracy? A buttery smooth bolt? Intricate mechanism design?
In your experience, how does the m1 garande, m1a (or M21, or M25), and the ar-15 measure up to these ideas?
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Re: Refined Craftmanship
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2008, 11:09:32 PM »
Steyr Mannlicher-Schoenauer sporting rifles and carbines made from 1903 until WW2 - and the ones made in the early 1950s. These are extremely well made rifles. Excellent triggers, often very accurate with the right ammunition combinations, and beautifully fitted and finished. Although some do not like the actions compared to other bolt actions they are exceptionally smooth in operation and very reliable. Made in a variety of metric chamberings and later some of the more common American cartridges.

On the military side, the Swiss Karabiner 31 - generally known as the K31. These are a straight pull bolt action, modified from earlier design chambered for the 7.5x55mm cartridge. Typical swiss quality with a capital Q; superior metallurgy, fabrication and fitting with typical period wood stock fitted right where it counts. And last, but by no means least - a superlative trigger. The result is, with standard swiss surplus ammo, a smooth operating and exceptionally accurate service rifle.

These are both close to the apex of the sporting and military battle rifles of the 20th century in my opinion - arguements about self-loading or automatic military rifles aside.

I've carried and shot the now obsolete M16A1 alot during service; imo it is a good "security rifle". That is; one best suited to an air base etc where there is alot of concrete and tarmac. Carried much, seldom needed, and maintained well. It is handy, accurate and easy to operate.

The M1 Garand is closer to an excellent battle rifle imo. Capable of very good accuracy, generally reliable and easy to feed with the enbloc clips. Many who have used it during wartime have loved it or hated it. I have owned one, later sold it off for something else, only because I wanted something else more than a Garand. I would gladly have another, after a fairly long list of other pieces I now desire more.

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Re: Refined Craftmanship
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2008, 04:56:23 AM »
CZ.

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Re: Refined Craftmanship
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2008, 05:04:29 AM »
Swiss K-31. It's made like, well, a Swiss watch. The workmanship is beyond superb, as is the finish of all the parts. The smooth elegance of the bolt's rotating movement with the straight pull is incredible. Even the Swiss service ammo has always been match-grade ammunition, and is used in rifle matches today. It's that good.



It's been estimated that to make that rifle today would cost about $2500.



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Re: Refined Craftmanship
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2008, 05:20:53 AM »
I have a S&W K-22 Target Masterpiece from 1948 that is probably the finest made firearm I own. My Beretta shotgun doesn't even compare in quality of craftsmanship that the K-22 has. My next well made firearms is a Colt Targetsman from 1968 and a Winchester model 12 that I haven't researched the date of manufacture on. Everything else I own is modern CNC made stuff, they are are good but they just aren't as smooth feeling as the hand fitted firearms I have.

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