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Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« on: June 01, 2008, 02:49:33 AM »
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23488543-details/Comment%3A+dealing+with+knife+crime+is+an+urgent+task/article.do

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Carrying a knife "for protection" has become a kind of arms race in which young people believe that because others have blades, they must carry one too. But going out armed vastly increases the risk that a minor confrontation over a dirty look or gesture of "disrespect" will turn into a fatal incident.

The current trial for murder of those involved in the death of 14-year-old Martin Dinnegan, killed for a dirty look, and the recent fatal stabbing of Harry Potter actor Robert Knox, demonstrate how the carrying of knives spreads violence beyond gangs to a point where any law-abiding young person on London's streets and public transport could be at risk.

As a senior member of the judiciary, Sir Igor Judge, put it last week: "Every weapon on the streets is a public danger." Now we need to look for solutions to a deep-seated problem.

The Metropolitan Police's leaflet and online campaign this week, using shocking images, is a good start. So was the statement by Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair that parents need to confront children over the carrying of knives. If resources are indeed limited, as he has claimed in the past, there is a strong case for additional funding.

The Mayor must also make good on his commitment to increase police numbers on public transport, along with his promise to withdraw free bus travel from offenders.

Our charter calls for the use of targeted stop and search powers by police to be stepped up, because it is already showing results and is increasingly backed by all sections of the community. Search arches and scanners must be used at more Tube and rail stations. The authorities should consider extending their use in and around schools and sports centres. The police presence at priority schools and pupil referral units should be maintained.

We also want to see children taught in school that respect cannot be won at the point of a knife - and for those in the media who create films, computer games and rap lyrics to remember that their glamorisation of violence can shape real-life behaviour.

And when the knife carriers are caught, they must be properly dealt with by the courts. The Met and the Crown Prosecution Service have promised to stop letting so many off with cautions, but the more robust charging policy must be delivered with consistency. Where witnesses need protection in order for charges to be brought, that must be provided.

The courts must also recognise their role. In 2006, less than a fifth of those convicted of going out armed with a blade went to prison. The courts may not wish to imprison young people but absolute and conditional discharges simply send a message that it is easy to get away with carrying a knife, and do nothing to reverse a trend which is spiralling out of control. Those who do go to prison must be shown the impact of their crimes on victims and how to manage their anger in future.

It may be too late for Martin, Robert and all the other young victims, but it is not too late for the Mayor, the Met, schools, parents and youth charities to come up with solutions. Fifteen teenagers have already died violently in London so far this year, 11 of them from stabbings. This is an urgent task.

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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2008, 03:27:50 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 07:47:06 AM »
Funny how we all carried knives when I was growing up and nobody ever got stabbed  rolleyes
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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 09:54:26 AM »
Funny how we all carried knives when I was growing up and nobody ever got stabbed  rolleyes
One time I forgot I had my knife on me when I went to school one morning.  I didn't even whip it out much less kill a baby. =\
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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2008, 10:02:26 AM »
Funny how we all carried knives when I was growing up and nobody ever got stabbed  rolleyes
One time I forgot I had my knife on me when I went to school one morning.  I didn't even whip it out much less kill a baby. =\
I've done the same thing on a number of occasions. Woe me for breaking the law like that. Seems I was doomed from the start rolleyes.

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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 10:05:10 AM »
Now when I was going to the Community College I carried my knife every day, and most days carried four or five. Cheesy
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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 10:23:20 AM »
4 or 5 knives?  Whatever for?

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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2008, 12:02:21 PM »
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But going out armed vastly increases the risk that a minor confrontation over a dirty look or gesture of "disrespect" will turn into a fatal incident.

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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2008, 12:03:17 PM »
4 or 5 knives?  Whatever for?
Because he can? laugh

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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 12:07:03 PM »
4 or 5 knives?  Whatever for?
Because he can? laugh

I get that, just seems like a lot so I am curious why.

Trying to think of the most I ever carried:  pen knife on my keychain, leatherman, and a nice folder.

Machete? Sword?

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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 12:49:47 PM »
Funny how we all carried knives when I was growing up and nobody ever got stabbed  rolleyes
One time I forgot I had my knife on me when I went to school one morning.  I didn't even whip it out much less kill a baby. =\

We carried knives to school every day Wink

I did have a kid pull his knife on me one morning on the way to school.  I dunno what his problem was, and I don't even remember what I said, but I just didn't act afraid and he put it away.  We got along reasonably well after that, and I never told anybody.
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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 01:18:54 PM »
4 or 5 knives?  Whatever for?

Well, when I would take gum to school the teachers would ask if I brought enough for the whole class.

Maybe he was just being pro-active?  grin
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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 06:56:16 PM »
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4 or 5 knives? 

I carry 4 every day, if you count the Ladybug around my neck, and the Micra on my keychain in addition to by big sharp knife and small much sharper knife.
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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2008, 07:00:45 PM »
They need to take the longbows away from the serfs so they don't rise up against their feudal lords, too. Oh, wait.

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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 04:34:41 AM »
Why carry multiple knives?  Every day, I carry two.  One a Swiss Army/Multi tool type for the accessories.  the second a larger locking blade knife for larger cutting tasks.  When I'm camping, add a fixed blade knife or two, depending on the type of camping.

As an aside, have a look at kitchen cutlery to see how political correctness has affected blade shape.  traditional chef's knives had a nice point.  Now, many sets come with the sontoku style blades, which have no point.  I guess it's less dangerous withuot a point, huh?

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Re: Comment: dealing with knife crime is an urgent task
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 11:51:35 AM »
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The grandson of a woman who started a national campaign against gun crime when her son was shot dead has been arrested after she was brutally stabbed to death in her own home.

Pat Regan, 53, a co-founder of the Mothers Against Violence campaign group, was found dead at her flat in Leeds last night.

She became a national figure in the fight against gun and knife crime after her son Danny was gunned down in a suspected gangland killing in December 2002.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023562/Mother-campaigned-gun-knife-crime-sons-murder-killed-home.html

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A teenage girl was brutally stabbed to death in a lift just yards from her front door as she returned home from school today.

The 15-year-old, who was wearing her uniform, was knifed up to 10 times in the frenzied attack in a block of flats near London's Waterloo station and was dead when paramedics reached her.

Her body was discovered by a woman and her eight-year-old daughter at 3.45pm when they pushed the button to call the lift to go up to their flat.

The girl suffered at least 10 stab wounds to her neck, front and back. She is the 31st teenager to be murdered in Britain this year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023708/Girl-14-latest-teenager-die-vicious-stabbing.html

Sounds more like a culture problem. Thing is, when you remove all incentive for people to make something of themselves, if you assure them they'll be on the dole even if they want to sleep and wander aimlessly, they have no purpose in life, and some will just wander around breaking things and hurting people. What else do they have to do? What is the deterrence if they burn a car or break into a house and just get an ASBO, if the owners of the car or house can't even touch them?

Thus, this.