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Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« on: July 17, 2008, 04:01:51 AM »
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CHICAGO -- As Governor Rod Blagojevich on Wednesday signed a new law that will put in place tougher penalties for selling guns to minors, he also announced he's got a new idea to help combat the violence that Chicago is experience: he's talking to the Illinois State Police and the National Guard to see if they could help.

"Violent crime in the city of Chicago is out of control," Blagojevich said at the bill signing ceremony. "I'm offering resources of the state to the city to work in a constructive way with Mayor Daley to do everything we can possibly do to help stop this violence," said the governor.

The summer of 2008 will be remembered as especially violent. Blagojevich said there's been a child shot nearly every day since June 26. Bringing in state troopers -- even National Guard helicopters to high-crime areas -- is still very much in the planning stages.

"It might be able to free up some resources that the Chicago police uses for capital needs, to be able, to maybe to, hire more police officers, or possibly ask some to come out of retirement, to put them into these violent zones, hot zones, where, clearly, I think, part of the challenge is that gangbangers outnumber police officers five to one," Blagojevich said.

The governor said Chicago Mayor Richard Daley hasn't asked for help, but Blagojevich said he'll call the mayor once he has some concrete suggestions about what help he can provide. He didn't have many specifics, but he said it's more likely that state police will be brought in than the National Guard.

In fact, Daley's office said the mayor did not know anything about Blagojevich's comments and did not know he was going to make them.

"The mayor welcomes partnerships, not just on this issue but on a variety of issues," said spokeswoman Jody Kawada. "Beyond that, it is difficult to comment because we don't have any facts."

And police department spokeswoman Monique Bond said they learned of the comments after Blagojevich made them as well, and said it was too soon to comment.

But Bond took issue with the governor's contention that crime is "out of control" in Chicago, pointing out that if the current murder rate holds in the city, 2008 may end with fewer than 500 homicides and that it is expected to be one of the least deadly years in the city in the last 40 years.

On Wednesday, Superintendent Jody Weis was grilled by members of a city council committee, who complained both about rising crime and statistics that suggested to them that the police department wasn't doing enough to stop it.

They also come as the governor tries to find support for a massive statewide construction program that would be funded by expanded casino gambling. So far, Daley has refused to go along because he objects to the amount Blagojevich wants to charge Chicago to run a downtown casino.

Blagojevich raised that issue as he discussed the possibility of state aid with Chicago's crime problem.

"We need help in that legislative process and the mayor could be a big help in this in getting the House Democratic leadership to pass that big capital program or versions of it," the governor said.

Blagojevich's offer, whether or not it comes to anything, also puts him in the position of trying to help on an issue dominating the news in Chicago.

Blagojevich said it is far more likely that state troopers would be used than guardsmen. In fact, his office moved quickly after the governor's comments to stress in a news release that Blagojevich was not considering bringing in National Guard troops to the city.

"The only way the National Guard would be involved, if they are involved, is with the use of tactical helicopters that are currently used in narcotics operations," spokesman Lucio Guerrero said in a prepared statement.

Blagojevich had few details, but suggested that one possibility would be to assign state troopers to areas of the city with lower crime rates, freeing Chicago police officers for areas where there is more crime.

"Maybe we can play a role in providing more manpower so that the mayor doesn't have to make that choice between taking a police from, let's say the North Side, and putting that police officer on the street on the South Side," he said.

He also suggested that retired Chicago police officers and state troopers could be hired on a temporary basis to help out during the summer months when the violent crime rate typically climbs.

Blagojevich Signs Tougher Gun Bill

The bill signed Wednesday puts the adult who provides a gun to a minor in the same legal hot water as the minor who uses it to commit a crime.

The bill signed Wednesday means that adults who sell or give guns to minors are eligible for the same sentence as minors convicted of violent crimes -- including murder -- in which they used the weapon.

Before the law was signed, the maximum sentence an adult could get for providing a gun to a minor -- whether it's used in a crime or not -- was seven years.

Senator Kwame Raoul sponsored the bill after a spate of shooting deaths of Chicago school children.

Supporters of the bill said they hope the possibility of a stiffer sentence will make adults think twice about handing over guns to minors.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/16901117/detail.html

Why don't they ban guns in Chicago.   Oh wait they already do.  Could be interesting.  The National Guard shouldn't be used as a police force.
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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 04:09:42 AM »
Hell with Posse Comitatus, right, Blago...er...Daley? Blago is just his puppet, of course.

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 04:18:28 AM »
When I lived in Chicago, calls for the National Guard to go door to door were routine.

When the little girl at Cabrini was murdered, I well remember the letters to the editor in both the Tribune and Sun-Times demanding the National Guard search everyone's home.
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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 05:32:00 AM »
If I remember correctly, isn't the National Guard barred from having law enforcement duties or capability?

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 05:38:08 AM »
It's not about having more police to round 'em up, or NG on every corner to scare 'em. It's about changing the culture of the people living there that are the source of the violence.

Good luck with that...

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 06:33:28 AM »
"Hell with Posse Comitatus"

Posse comitatus prohibitions may not apply. Unless nationalized by the Federal government, the governors of the states are in essence the "commanders in chief" of a state's National Guard forces.

See this:

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm


Oh, and just FYI?

The conclusions in that article are kind of scary...
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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2008, 06:51:50 AM »
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It's not about having more police to round 'em up, or NG on every corner to scare 'em. It's about changing the culture of the people living there that are the source of the violence.
Good luck with that...

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008, 06:55:01 AM »
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It's not about having more police to round 'em up, or NG on every corner to scare 'em. It's about changing the culture of the people living there that are the source of the violence.
Good luck with that...

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You mean a culture that has absolutely no value on human life, and sees no problem with drive-bys for perceived "disrespecting" of one's gang isn't a viable culture?

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008, 06:55:53 AM »
Getting kinda close to breaking the third amendment aren't we?
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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2008, 08:29:18 AM »
See, gun control works!!

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2008, 09:06:01 AM »
The Nat'l Gaurd should not be used in Chicago.  IMHO, they stand a much greater chance of succeding in making Iraq crime free (than Chicago)......
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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2008, 01:03:25 PM »


Yep, Chicago definitely needs NG help!   The National Guard bring democracy to Chicago.   Be sure to give 'em lots of CAS and all the arty support possible. 

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2008, 10:49:16 PM »
Ha ha.  That's classic, RevDisk.  I would totally deploy to Chicago.  Maybe the sight of Bradleys rolling down their streets will force them to get a clue.  (Then again, it probably wouldn't...)

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2008, 07:10:47 AM »
Ha ha.  That's classic, RevDisk.  I would totally deploy to Chicago.  Maybe the sight of Bradleys rolling down their streets will force them to get a clue.  (Then again, it probably wouldn't...)

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2008, 11:59:25 AM »
Do you guys have an exit strategy?  I can see this becoming a quagmire.

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2008, 11:59:58 AM »
Everything will go great until they shoot someone with a darker shade of skin.  Then the riots will begin.  I wonder how Daley and Blag will spin that?
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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2008, 12:23:45 PM »
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The summer of 2008 will be remembered as especially violent. Blagojevich said there's been a child shot nearly every day since June 26. Bringing in state troopers -- even National Guard helicopters to high-crime areas -- is still very much in the planning stages.

I just noticed a remarkable coincidence.  The dead-child-per-day clock started on the day the Heller was handed down.

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Re: Blagojevich: Chicago May Need National Guard Help
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2008, 02:46:44 PM »
I think the national guard needs to arrest the politicians for crimes against the constitution.
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