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Farking white guilt
« on: July 25, 2008, 06:33:59 AM »
So, I'm an evil racist.   undecided

I mortally offended one of the two short, black, smart chicks in my mediation seminar. 

See, I'm doing a project with three other people next term, once of whom is SBSC #2.  In class I sit near SBSC #1.  We've talked a bit on class breaks and she is friends with the one guy who is on the project, who also sits by me.  In other words, I've talked about the project, in conversations to which she was a party.

But SBSC#2 is the one doing the project.  She sits in the back though, and I've only talked to her twice.

I mistook SBSC #1 for SBSC #1.  Now, this could be because they are both short, both black, and both smart and contribute to class in useful ways.  I'm pretty sure there's a third black chick in the class, but I can only vaguely recollect her because she doesn't say much and I've never had anything to do with her. It could be because I associate mediation and SBSC #1 because of the conversation we've had, especially about the project when the guy was in the conversation.

Or it could be because I'm an evil racist bitch who thinks that all black women look alike. 

Guess which one she is going by?

Grrr.  Ok, there are two tall, obese, white women who are both very friendly, very intelligent, and who are good friends.  Yeah, I get them mixed up too.  There are two medium-height thin-ish women with bangs who are soft-spoken.  I get them mixed up too.  There are a half dozen twenty-something white guys with short, blonde-to-light brown hair and slightly trendy overcasual clothes.  I get them all mixed up.  I get people mixed up, especially when there's thirty of them, I've had personal interactions with only a third of them, and those interactions were mostly very short-lived. 
It happens.

But no, if I get two people confused who are both short, black, intelligent women, then I'm a racist ****. 

But fine, she wants to be offended, that's her business.  So why am I all worried about it? 

Damn white guilt.  It's farking contagious.

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 06:53:01 AM »
Go throw some lead down range.

Don't sweat the small *expletive deleted*it.  It will only make you crazier than you already are. grin
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 06:53:45 AM »
I had an Asian coworker try to play that game on me.

I suck at names.

It wasn't a pretty situation when I essentially ridiculed him in front of a group of people for his believe that all Asians look alike to me.

He did NOT like it when I told him that he had Northern Vietnam facial features while the guy whose name I called him had strongly Mongolian facial features.

We're now pretty friendly.
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 07:01:50 AM »
I don't think you're a "Racist" based on your report.

What happened, your mistake, could be construed as racist.  Only you know your true intentions, so trying to explain yourself to this woman is futile.

"Racist" is a spirit descriptor, a psyche label.  How can someone who knows you so fleetingly decide you are racist?  Do you wear a white hood to class?  Swastika tattoos in visible areas?  

Your mistake was an action.  Charting actions can illustrate tendencies, and conclusions can be drawn from a large set of data.  We're not talking about murder or other crime.  Personal thoughts, no matter how reprehensible, are still allowed.

Does drinking a glass of wine make one an alchoholic?

"Know them by their fruits" or something like that.  If this case of mistaken identity is your only such fruit, then I don't think you're a racist.  Did you call her some derogatory name?  
I didn't think so.

A response I've saved for just such incidents is the following quote, used not in an accusatory fashion, but sympathetically:

"Such (Your) hypersensitivity is indicative of a low self esteem"

If a tirade continues, we can excuse ourself from the mess.  After all, we are trying to be adults, and can choose the insanity in which we wish to participate.
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 07:12:00 AM »
It wasn't a pretty situation when I essentially ridiculed him in front of a group of people for his believe that all Asians look alike to me.

He did NOT like it when I told him that he had Northern Vietnam facial features while the guy whose name I called him had strongly Mongolian facial features.


Asian or Asian-American?  Being an academic, my interactions are usually with people from different countries.  They all seem to be ok with usual mistakes of Americans(i.e., it is really hard to sound out Chinese names as "Xia" has no real associated sound in America).  It is the children of foreigners that know there is something to be gained by painting everyone as an offending racist.  That way you give them benefits they haven't earned just to make repairs.

When I was in graduate school a student from South Vietnam told me, "I can't tell you and Tom apart, you two look exactly the same".  Nevermind that Tom had different hair colour, eye colour, ethnicity and weight.  He simply categorized us as 6' something white dudes.  Funny, I wasn't offended. 

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 07:58:46 AM »
"Asian or Asian-American?"

Asian.

The guy who got miffed at me was born in Vietnam and escaped with his family in 1973.

He's a naturalized citizen.

The other guy I was referencing is a Mongol from Siberia.

I don't know his citizenship status.
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 09:09:08 AM »
"Asian or Asian-American?"

Asian.

The guy who got miffed at me was born in Vietnam and escaped with his family in 1973.

He's a naturalized citizen.

The other guy I was referencing is a Mongol from Siberia.

I don't know his citizenship status.

Just as long as he isn't aspiring to take over the company and is a breeder of small, sturdy ponies.  smiley

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2008, 09:21:44 AM »
I am an equal opportunity offender

just remember
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2008, 09:56:06 AM »
I am not going to say anything.  I agree with Howard though.....chris3

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2008, 10:09:02 AM »
Sorry, I meant Harold....chris3

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2008, 07:19:42 PM »
Isn't it normal for a person raised among one racial group to have more difficulty differentiating between members of another racial group?  Asians look at whites, and see round eyes, long noses, and a peculiar skin color.  Whites look at Blacks, and see dark skin, coarse hair, wide noses, etc.  The details get blurred, unless you are well-accustomed to seeing and sorting the faces the of the other racial group, right?  I thought that had been studied and explained scientifically.  Maybe she is just not up with the times.


"Oriental."  Another non-offensive, offensive term.  I guess they'd better quit calling us "Westerners," an exact analog of "Oriental." 

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2008, 09:07:25 PM »
My buddy was taking a university anatomy class and there was a lecture on different body types and the prof was going on about how different races are physically different and gave statistical examples about different races and different body sizes and ratios of the different muscle fibers. Pretty much his point was that many groups of black people are genetically pre-disposed to be better at some kinds of sports. So my buddy got up and asked if different races could have different muscle compositions and physical adaptations if it would be possible that different races would have adapted different neurological structures which would effect how their brains worked, for example could one people group be better at math than another or learn more quickly. Seems reasonable based on the context of what the prof was saying, regardless of the actuality of it or not, it was merely an extrapolation based on provided suppositions; right? People started booing and shouting racist and calling him an ignorant hick etc.

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2008, 09:08:31 PM »
I used to have a friend who would say stuff like "How the heck do I know who he was all you whities look the same"

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2008, 09:08:56 PM »
"Oriental."  Another non-offensive, offensive term.  I guess they'd better quit calling us "Westerners," an exact analog of "Oriental." 

The more traditional term was "Occidental".

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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2008, 03:10:39 AM »
Isn't it normal for a person raised among one racial group to have more difficulty differentiating between members of another racial group?  Asians look at whites, and see round eyes, long noses, and a peculiar skin color.  Whites look at Blacks, and see dark skin, coarse hair, wide noses, etc.  The details get blurred, unless you are well-accustomed to seeing and sorting the faces the of the other racial group, right?  I thought that had been studied and explained scientifically.  Maybe she is just not up with the times.


"Oriental."  Another non-offensive, offensive term.  I guess they'd better quit calling us "Westerners," an exact analog of "Oriental." 




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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2008, 05:33:25 AM »
So she's too self-centered and immature to realize that not everybody knows her name.  Tell her to go to Cheers if she wants to be recognized.

I've been at my current job for nine months, and just the other day someone called me "Gil," the first name of my co-worker.  Heck, I've been in my National Guard unit for over three years and I'd bet 75% of the guys don't know my first name.
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2008, 05:38:50 AM »
So she's too self-centered and immature to realize that not everybody knows her name.  Tell her to go to Cheers if she wants to be recognized.

I've been at my current job for nine months, and just the other day someone called me "Gil," the first name of my co-worker.  Heck, I've been in my National Guard unit for over three years and I'd bet 75% of the guys don't know my first name.

I bet you they do.  It is probably SGT. grin
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2008, 06:20:32 AM »
Unfortunately I'm one of the many specialists stuck in the PLDC bottleneck (or whatever the Army is calling E5 school these days).

It's interesting to see different levels of social intimacy.  When someone uses a first name at the armory, it's just downright weird.
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2008, 06:28:25 AM »
Unfortunately I'm one of the many specialists stuck in the PLDC bottleneck (or whatever the Army is calling E5 school these days).

It's interesting to see different levels of social intimacy.  When someone uses a first name at the armory, it's just downright weird.

You don't need WLC to get promoted to SGT/E5 anymore.  Now your unit may require it but it isn't a requirement by Army standards.  You have to get it before you are promoted to SSG/E6.  You may want to quietly inquire about this.  Where are you on the promotion list?
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2008, 08:31:22 AM »
"Asian or Asian-American?"

Asian.

The guy who got miffed at me was born in Vietnam and escaped with his family in 1973.

He's a naturalized citizen.

The other guy I was referencing is a Mongol from Siberia.

I don't know his citizenship status.

Just as long as he isn't aspiring to take over the company and is a breeder of small, sturdy ponies.  smiley
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2008, 10:04:44 AM »
david halberstrom described being stationed in africa for 10 years and realizing it was time to go homw when he was at the airport covering and arriving official and watching a plane full of white folks deplane and they all looked alike
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Re: Farking white guilt
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2008, 06:18:24 PM »
Sorry, I meant Harold....chris3

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