Unreal...

[lupinus]

The Monday morning QB is what scares me. 

I personally would much rather see the rules changed to say that military courts have jurisdiction for alleged crimes committed while still enlisted, regardless if the person in question is discharged.

[Balog]

Eatherneck: ouch. The Big Chicken Dinner is one of the least appetizing of military meals. Was the kid keeping it in base housing or the barracks?

[Scout26]

Yep, the trials I were part of mostly consisted not of trying to prove guilt, but giving of the defense a chance to present mitigating and extenuating evidence in an attempt to reduce sentence.  Once the Article 32 hearing is done and the convening authority has decided to go to court martial, the evidence is pretty much there.   Best to try to plea down the punishment. 

And the best part is that your subject to being tried in a civilian court and under the UCMJ.  When I was in Germany if you got busted for DWI on OR off post (Under the SOFA, GP had authority on post also), you got at least an Art 15 and then fined by the German Polizei. 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

The Monday morning QB is what scares me. 

I personally would much rather see the rules changed to say that military courts have jurisdiction for alleged crimes committed while still enlisted, regardless if the person in question is discharged.

I would have to agree with that.  When it comes to these current wars, everyone seems to think they know better about how they should be fought (or not fought) than the people actually involved. 

If the crime is military-related, then it makes much more sense to have military courts judge it.  Civilians in civilian courts generally do not understand military matters and circumstances, and thus aren't particularly qualified to judge them.  That makes it harder to give fair trials.

[RevDisk]

Scout has it right. Military courts are tough. The UCMJ is arguably more stern than civilian law, especially under some judges.

Oral sex is still considered a crime per UCMJ.  But the MP's refused to arrest me, even after I prepared a sworm affidavit listing my deviant sexual behavior.  After that, they tried to get a restraining order from JAG against me.   


(Yes, we were all very, very bored.)

[Leatherneck]

Was the kid keeping it in base housing or the barracks?

He was transporting it in the squadron CO's jeep to the barracks, presumably for distribution. I'm fairly mellow about MJ use, recognizing the futility and waste associated with the WOD, but this kid was flaunting it, and didn't have the slightest remorse. BCD served him right.

TC

[Ezekiel]

Besides, the military needs to be tried by citizens, not their "own."  Doing otherwise lets the inmates run the asylum.

Not one of the 33 Courts Martial I was involved in (I was an MP, so I worked the Prosecution side  )  did I ever see any evidence of "trying to protect our own".  In general it was the other was around.  Somebody had committed an offense prejudicial to the good order and discipline of military service and now they were going to pay the piper, in spades.

"Good info."

[Balog]

Was the kid keeping it in base housing or the barracks?

He was transporting it in the squadron CO's jeep to the barracks, presumably for distribution. I'm fairly mellow about MJ use, recognizing the futility and waste associated with the WOD, but this kid was flaunting it, and didn't have the slightest remorse. BCD served him right.

TC

Holy crap, that ain't too bright......

[K Frame]

what the hell is a "Big Chicken Dinner"?

[dogmush]

what the hell is a "Big Chicken Dinner"?

Bad Conduct Discharge

[MicroBalrog]

Scary quote....I have yet to hear of a military victory won by a lawyer..... 

Battle of San Jacinto?

Bad example....Houston wasn't practicing law at the time....and he had a rock-solid capital case against Santa Anna & didn't prosecute... 

Fine. Lincoln was Commander-in-Chief during the Civil War.

[seeker_two]

Scary quote....I have yet to hear of a military victory won by a lawyer..... 

Battle of San Jacinto?

Bad example....Houston wasn't practicing law at the time....and he had a rock-solid capital case against Santa Anna & didn't prosecute... 

Fine. Lincoln was Commander-in-Chief during the Civil War.

Don't even get me started on that particular tyrant-in-chief....do a little research & see what his plan was for dealing with the black population post-Civil War.....African-Americans owe a debt of gratitude to John Wilkes Booth....