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When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« on: August 27, 2008, 10:13:05 AM »
I'm afraid this freak is going to hurt or kill a kid, now that he's free. I know he didn't commit a crime YET, but holy crap, with those items stuffed in his shorts, alone, in a park with children...A ski mask in summer, let alone the other stuff? There's times where the circumstantial can become overwhelming intent, to me...

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Was it just a walk in the park?

By MARK OUELLETTE
Union Leader Correspondent
16 hours, 32 minutes ago

MERRIMACK  The man found with a rope, ski mask, latex gloves, BB gun and video camera in Twin Bridge Park was arraigned yesterday on a prowling charge.

Jason Duval, 21, of Nashua was questioned after a caller alerted police to a man taking items from the trunk of a green Honda Accord and stuffing them into his shorts Sunday about 4:30 p.m. According to a court affidavit, the witness told police "something about the way the guy looked and acted did not seem right."

Police, who located Duval on a path at the 27-acre town-owned park on Daniel Webster Highway, asked Duval if he had anything on him that would cause concern. Duval said he had a BB gun.

According to court documents, Duval consented to a frisk. It was then officers found a black and silver Crossman 1088 Air/BB Pistol, Valor stainless steel handcuffs, two bandanas (one black, one blue), black ski mask, pair of latex gloves, a nylon rope looped at the ends, an AIPTEK video camera and a Motorola tracfone.

According to the affidavit, Duval said they were either items from work or were things he played around with to pass the time. He said he picked up the handcuffs at a fair and that he liked to ratchet the cuffs to pass time.

Court records show that Duval is employed at the Hilton Garden Inn next to the Fisher Cats field in Manchester, where he provides janitorial and landscaping services.

Duval told officers that during his breaks at work, he would take things such as the length of rope and play with it, according to the affidavit. As for the ski mask and latex gloves, he said he got them from work.

Duval told police he decided to stop at the park after working in Manchester to get some exercise; he hopes to become a firefighter, according to court records. He was nervous and breathing heavily while talking to officers, the affidavit adds.

Court records indicate Duval has been arrested for conduct after an accident, reckless driving and theft by unauthorized taking, but they do not include when and where the arrests occurred.

Yesterday in Merrimack District Court, Duval was ordered to stay out of Merrimack until his Oct. 2 trial, have no unsupervised contact with minors, refrain from using a firearm or destructive device, or excessive use of alcohol, a narcotic drug or controlled substance.

He was released on $2,500 cash or surety bail.

If convicted, Duval could face a maximum penalty of $1,000 and no jail time, according to Merrimack Deputy Police Chief Mark Doyle. He noted that Duval is facing a violation charge and not a misdemeanor or felony, both of which could carry a fine and the possibility of a prison sentence.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=73f0fc53-da72-482d-b74f-f270e870f4c5

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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 10:26:12 AM »
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Court records indicate Duval has been arrested for conduct after an accident, reckless driving and theft by unauthorized taking,

And theft by authorized taking is defined as...?

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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 10:43:49 AM »
"And theft by authorized taking is defined as...? "

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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 11:07:20 AM »
Guy sounds a bit more than half a bubble off plumb, but what, exactly, is a prowling charge, if it doesn't involve tresspassing?

According to the story , the guy was in a public park on a Sunday afternoon, and it sounds like he's a shifty character who certainly bears watching, but I'm not seeing that any actual crime was committed . . .
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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 11:10:24 AM »
A Hitman cosplayer ?
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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 11:11:20 AM »
Guy sounds a bit more than half a bubble off plumb, but what, exactly, is a prowling charge, if it doesn't involve tresspassing?

According to the story , the guy was in a public park on a Sunday afternoon, and it sounds like he's a shifty character who certainly bears watching, but I'm not seeing that any actual crime was committed . . .

Yet. Ski mask in summer. Video camera. Handcuffs. What seems to be a garotte. Fake gun that looks somewhat real. Surgical gloves. All stuffed into his shorts to "walk around".

Park full of kids with trails through woods.

BB gun, seen here, has no orange tip. He had all that stuff stuffed in his shorts, on a hot day, stuff he "got from work", for a "walk for exercise". If someone pulled out a gun like that at me, I'd shoot them. I can't tell it's not real. Neither could a victim.



I think it's pretty obvious what he intended, myself. That's the thing, at what point is it obvious intent?

Do you wait for him to actually kill a kid? Even if he might not, with all that evidence that he intended to do harm?

Interesting legal question. What is the point at which the sum of items and evidence shows intent?

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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 11:21:58 AM »
Maned, good question.

I think it's pretty clear what he was planning, but there is that whole innocent until proven quilty thing...
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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 11:24:09 AM »
Sounds like someone that needs constant surveilance ... through a rifle scope.

He may not have commited a crime, yet, but with the above he could be easilly stopped if it went that far.
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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2008, 11:25:30 AM »
I'd really like to take a TRIP to Vegas with some of you guys. That whole mind reading, prescient thing would really come in handy. Wink
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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 11:26:29 AM »
I'm leery to accuse someone of intent to do something - that's a dangerous path.  "Why are you carrying a gun if you don't plan to shoot someone?"

What a creep though.  That said, you can't try a man for being creepy.

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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 11:31:56 AM »
I'm leery to accuse someone of intent to do something - that's a dangerous path.  "Why are you carrying a gun if you don't plan to shoot someone?"

That's why I am curious about what the legal precedent for "sum total" is. Not just a BB gun, but one with the orange tip removed, along with a whole collection of other items whose collective purpose is not anything really good. Innocent in and of themselves, but all at the same time AND stuffed into one's shorts for a walk in a park with children. BB gun, gloves, video camera, cuffs, garotte. Sum total.

Sort of like you can't get someone for carrying a bottle of brake fluid or a package of pool chlorine tabs or tape or plastic bottles in their backpack, but if they were carrying all at once and nothing else, you could reasonably assume they were planning to commit arson.

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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 11:36:26 AM »
I'm leery to accuse someone of intent to do something - that's a dangerous path.  "Why are you carrying a gun if you don't plan to shoot someone?"

That's why I am curious about what the legal precedent for "sum total" is. Not just a BB gun, but one with the orange tip removed, along with a whole collection of other items whose collective purpose is not anything really good. Innocent in and of themselves, but all at the same time AND stuffed into one's shorts for a walk in a park with children. BB gun, gloves, video camera, cuffs, garotte. Sum total.

Sort of like you can't get someone for carrying a bottle of brake fluid or a package of pool chlorine tabs or tape or plastic bottles in their backpack, but if they were carrying all at once and nothing else, you could reasonably assume they were planning to commit arson.

Yea, that is interesting.

FWIW, I know that I've bought some really, really odd and suspicious combinations of items from walmart; all for unrelated and legitimate purposes.  That said, I wasn't carrying these items through a public park...

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Re: When you know someone is definitely up to no good...
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 12:00:11 PM »
i know that with priors having regular tools become burguarly tools
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