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I've seen Vin described as "a crazy Red Neck", to each his own. Personally speaking, I've read his pieces on and off for a while now, and though I haven't agreed with all of his writings, he does make some interesting, thought provoking comments, as he does below. Readers might draw their own conclusions.

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"A man wearing a T-shirt depicting a cartoon character holding a gun was stopped from boarding a flight by the security at Heathrow's Terminal 5," The BBC reported on June 1.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/7431640.stm.)

Brad Jayakody, from Bayswater, central London, said he was "stumped" at the objection to his Transformers T-shirt.

Mr. Jayakody, a clean-shaven young man with eyeglasses and short hair, said the incident happened in mid May, when he was challenged by an official during a pre-flight security check. "He says, 'We won't be able to let you through because your T-shirt has got a gun on it'," Mr. Jayakody told reporters.

"I was like, "What are you talking about?"

"(The goon's) supervisor comes over and goes 'Sorry, we can't let you through and you've a gun on your T-shirt'."

Mr. Jayakody said he had to strip and change his T-shirt before he was allowed to board his flight. "It's a cartoon robot--what threat is it to security or offensive to anyone at all?"

A spokesnerd for BAA--the quasi-private outfit that operates seven major British airports, owned in turn by the Spanish Grupo Ferrovial consortium--said there was no record of the incident and no "formal complaint" had been made.

"If a T-shirt had a rude word or a bomb on it, for example, a passenger may be asked to remove it," he said. "If it's offensive, we don't want other passengers upset."

Jared Diamond wrote a book a few years back called Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed. The premise was for the most part trendy Green: Cultures fail because they try to support too many people on the land, causing them to ruin the soil and cut down all the forests, etc. He actually praised the societies of highland New Guinea and others of their ilk for developing "sustainable" agricultural methods.

It's an interesting premise, but (I submit) hugely flawed. Cultures like the Maya may occasionally collapse due to a failure to develop fertilizers and crop rotation, putting them in dire straits when the inevitable drought or crop blight strikes. It's even possible a shortage of meat protein in the peasant diet renders them smaller and less effective as warriors, when confronting hunter-gatherers (though this doesn't seem to have helped the Sioux against the White Eyes.)

In fact, most primitive cultures have collapsed, virtually overnight, because of the arrival of a more warlike neighbor with better weapons and tactics. Cortez did not conquer Mexico with the plow. It didn't matter whether the Apache and the Navajo (and before them, presumably, the southbound Aztecs) had better agricultural methods than the Anasazi and other relatively peaceful agriculturalists of the Southwest; the warlike newcomers were simply fully willing and better able to raid them, stealing their women and corn.

It may be that the natives of highland New Guinea do not grow too numerous for their agricultural methods to sustain precisely because they have no modern medicine to extend life spans and reduce infant mortality. They may also have survived because no one with better weapons has yet considered their remote steaming jungles worth taking.

The Picts fell to the Celts who fell to the Romans who withdrew and left the natives to the mercy of the Saxons, who were invaded by the Danes and eventually conquered by the Normans. Yes, agriculture sustains larger populations and thus larger armies than hunting and gathering, but you may still be better able to grasp such a course of events by studying the development of the spear, the iron sword, the shield wall, the bow and stirruped cavalry than by analyzing crop rotation.

Watch a cat kill a bird, sometime. If you intervene quickly enough, while the prey is still frantically struggling, you may still be able to set it free. But at some point the victim seems to pass into a kind of trance of resignation. At that point, even if rescued and set free, the bird seems past the point of resistance. It will often die even when its injuries appear non-life-threatening.

I submit Western culture is entering a similarly strange and suicidal reverie. Eventually, loud and angry foreigners who have grown up hungry will arrive to kill us and take our stuff, as we sit chanting in self-satisfaction at how wise we were to revert to the imagined peaceful lifestyles of our pre-coal, pre-firearm, pre-industrial, short-lived toothless ancestors.

I used to predict that our women (and young boys, I suppose) would at that point shriek and moan as they are carried off into slavery, asking what has become of the men with guns who were supposed to defend them.

I may now have to revise that. I may have to add: "assuming they even remember what a gun looked like."

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Some of the usual whimpering was heard following a recent "road rage" incident here in Las Vegas, in which one crazed driver opened fire and hit another's wife after the two angry motorists pulled to the side of the roads to settle a right-of-way dispute.

"There ought to be a law," etc.

This deadly assault broke several laws, of course. Should we make it "really, really illegal" to break the law?

The underlying premise seems to be that we should pre-emptively disarm the law-abiding 99% of the population in hopes the remaining (less than) 1% of aggressive bozos will obey the law, which they demonstrate every day they will not.

By the same token we could, I suppose, amputate the sex organs of all the males in Southern Nevada in hopes it might bring about a reduced rate of rape. While this might work, surely most folks would concur this penalizes too many innocent parties in an attempt to "get" the nasty (less than) 1%.

Oliver Wendell Holmes famously said no plank of the Bill of Rights is inviolable, all are subject to reasonable restrictions (a doctrine which our current Supreme Court embraced a few months back, ruling that when the Second Amendment says our right to bear arms "shall not be infringed" it really means "shall be infringed in almost limitless ways, so long as our government masters insist each new infringement is 'reasonable'.")

For instance, as Justice Holmes famously pointed out, it's illegal to falsely yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

Let me tell you in how many ways that's wrong.

First, the 1919 case in question involved the trial of Philadelphia Socialist leader Charles T. Schenck on charges of urging resistance to the draft in the war year 1917--a draft which had been barred by the Thirteenth Amendment, by the way.

That's right, the "great" Oliver Wendell Holmes was comparing advising a young man to avoid the draft--in some cases, by exercising his perfectly proper right to apply for Conscientious Objector status--with "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater and causing panic."

This in a series of cases where several staff members of Philadelphia's German-language newspaper were convicted under the Espionage Acts, largely on grounds they had reinterpreted news stories "so as to bear a changed meaning which was depressing or detrimental to patriotic ardor."

Honest.

Such "offenses" against the government propaganda machine are quite different from doing something which any reasonable person would expect to lead to panic and injuries in a dark and crowded theater. Even if every young American man eligible for the draft in 1917 had heard the advice of the defendants and refused to go serve in France--which is a mighty far-fetched premise--what harm would have befallen America? None at all.

We would have remained neutral, just as the lying Professor Wilson had promised. (1916 campaign slogan: "He kept us out of war.") The Kaiser would not have invaded America. Do you think Mr. Wilson didn't know the Germans had issued warnings about ships like the Lusitania carrying war supplies to the British? Mr. Wilson wanted into that waning war to win himself a seat at the peace table--to make a reality of his one-worlder dream of a "League of Nations."

In fact, without our entry, the armistice might have offered the German better terms. Those onerous French reparation demands gave the Nazis a huge grievance on which to capitalize, helping lead to World War II.

It's not even illegal to "Yell 'fire' in a crowded theater," in the first place. It's only a crime if there is no fire in the theater--as Justice Holmes did note, to his credit.

This is why we only punish offenders after the fact, rather than sewing everyone's mouth shut before they're allowed to enter a theater, so as to prevent them from having the opportunity to misuse their right to yell "fire"--an absurd prescription directly parallel to the notion that we should "take away everyone's handguns" to prevent them from having the opportunity to use them unwisely, instead of simply punishing the tiny minority who do so, after the fact.

p.s.--By the way, if the U.S. Supreme Court really ruled two months back that there indeed is an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense (as we are widely assured), why do the big red circle-and-slash signs in the Post Office still say I can be jailed for "causing a firearm to be brought" onto Postal Service property? Is the Post Office a "Bill-of-Rights-Free Zone"? Even the Post Office parking lot? Nevada law allows me to carry in my car a self-defense weapon--or any other firearm, for that matter. By allowing such supposedly "reasonable regulation" of this God-given right--which along with a few others the federal government was established primarily to protect--does the court mean I have to go unarmed on any day I choose to check my mail . . . or only that I have to park across the street?

Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the daily Las Vegas Review-Journal and author of the novelThe Black Arrow. See Liberty Book Shop.
     


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Re: Vin Suprynowicz's on this and that, from SGN, poster's comments
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2008, 03:45:36 PM »
Not really directed politics.

Moving to Round Table.
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Re: Vin Suprynowicz's on this and that, from SGN, poster's comments
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2008, 05:17:52 PM »
Vin is a capital-anarchist. He states this outright in one of his books.

He supports the private ownership of nuclear weapons, the notion of parents introducing their children to hallucinogenic drugs, and other outlandish notions.

So some of you more traditional types may not want to be relying on HIM for your views on society. Cheesy

I like his book, but I always hold in mind the thought that he's batshit loco.
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Re: Vin Suprynowicz's on this and that, from SGN, poster's comments
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2008, 05:40:33 PM »
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So some of you more traditional types may not want to be relying on HIM for your views on society.

He's still 1,000 miles closer to the center than either O'Bama or McCain.
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Re: Vin Suprynowicz's on this and that, from SGN, poster's comments
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2008, 06:14:02 PM »
Not really directed politics.

Moving to Round Table.

Fair enough.

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Re: Vin Suprynowicz's on this and that, from SGN, poster's comments
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 05:31:41 AM »
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I like his book, but I always hold in mind the thought that he's batshit loco.

And why - pray tell - do you think that?
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 05:43:04 AM »
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I like his book, but I always hold in mind the thought that he's batshit loco.

And why - pray tell - do you think that?

Because he is sympathetic to people like Carl Drega?

Because he suggests the world would be a better place if David Koresh had nukes?
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 06:06:46 AM »
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I like his book, but I always hold in mind the thought that he's batshit loco.

And why - pray tell - do you think that?

Because he is sympathetic to people like Carl Drega?

Because he suggests the world would be a better place if David Koresh had nukes?

I've read most of his stuff. Maybe I have selective memory but I don't think he ever said either of those things in the context you believe.

So a cite would be appropriate.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 06:36:06 AM »
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I like his book, but I always hold in mind the thought that he's batshit loco.

And why - pray tell - do you think that?

Because he is sympathetic to people like Carl Drega?

Because he suggests the world would be a better place if David Koresh had nukes?

I've read most of his stuff. Maybe I have selective memory but I don't think he ever said either of those things in the context you believe.

So a cite would be appropriate.

"The Ballad of Carl Drega", the book.

He explicitly says the purpose of the book is to 'honor' people like Carl Drega.

Look, I am in agreement with Vin's ideas, at least some of them.

Those I disagree with - like the anarchism - I respect.

I just don't think his manner of stating them is productive.
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Re: Vin Suprynowicz's on this and that, from SGN, poster's comments
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2008, 08:59:25 AM »
I'm currently reading Vin's book, Send in the Waco Killers.  I'm pretty new to his ideas, but I like what I've read so far.  Vin reminds me a bit of Boston T Party (who I like tremendously).  Nonetheless, I believe that libertarian ideals can be taken a bit too far, as demonstrated by the Texan who recently killed a police officer over a seatbelt citation.  Seatbelt laws are indeed tyrannical and represent a superb example of an overbearing nanny state - but killing over them is just plain foolish (I have relatives in law enforcement who insist on enforcing them, much to my dismay - especially since some sincerely believe wearing a seatbelt is dangerous).

However, in the cases of Carl Drega (based on what I've read about him) and David Koresh, I'm more inclined to believe these folks truly had cause to fight back.  When the state believes it can persecute folks simply for being different from the ideal subjects citizens (i.e., for building bunkers on their property, accumulating "evil black rifles," having more than one spouse, etc.), that's when the state deserves what it gets.  I really like Vin's idea that anyone who speaks out for the freedoms of minorities, homosexuals, the homeless, Guantanamo inmates, etc. without also defending the freedoms of gun owners, banned substance users, property owners, seatbelt shirkers, or any other innocent person on the fringes of society, is a total hypocrite.  If we hadn't allowed our government to bypass/ignore the checks and balances our founding fathers initially designed, I really don't think we'd be having this discussion.