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Explosive Real Estate: Florida Homes Built Atop WWII Bombing Range
« on: September 18, 2008, 12:50:26 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424243,00.html


Wednesday, September 17, 2008 ORLANDO, Fla.   When residents of several neighborhoods near Orlando International Airport go to bed, they wonder what most homeowners don't: Is there a bomb under my house? They recently learned their 8-year-old developments were built on a World War II bombing range that wasn't thoroughly cleared. Now they're scared for their lives and investments and angry with developers and local government officials who residents claim shouldn't have allowed the homes in the first place. There are hundreds of former bombing and artillery training ranges across the U.S., but few have 2,000 homes sitting on top of them. Since the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began sweeping the Orlando neighborhoods a year ago, they've found more than 200 munitions and other potentially volatile remnants. Some weighed up to 23 pounds. Most were recovered on the grounds of a middle school, including one lodged beneath the landing pit for the long jump. The corps says it's extremely unlikely any of the buried munitions would detonate, but that's done little to calm nerves. The value of the homes  which originally cost $200,000 to $600,000  has dropped by at least a third, residents say. That's compared with a roughly 20-percent decline across Florida caused by the real estate slump. That's if the homes can be sold at all. Some homeowners involved in class-action lawsuits over the site say banks have told them the properties aren't worth anything to lend against. "This has been a failure of the government," said Ron Cumello, head of a local homeowners' association, during one of several meetings with the corps and local officials. "You guys have to win back our trust." The developers, homebuilders, Army Corps and local government officials who zoned the land all blame each other. Corps officials say they long ago told local governments about the bombs, but current officials say their records were stripped of the information. The homebuilders say no one told them. Lori Hartigan, a 36-year-old nurse, says crews found one of the munitions near her driveway. Though many rounds dropped by pilots during training in 1944-45 were dummies, the rusty, five-inch cylinder in her yard was a live fuse packed with combustible powder. It's not clear how dangerous the device would have been if it exploded, but she shuddered to think what could have happened if she backed her car or boat over it. She now feels stuck in a home she bought five years ago, and wants her money back from Lennar Corp., which built many of the homes. "Just let me go on and buy something that's not in this area," Hartigan said. At nearby Odyssey Middle School, a corps contractor was injured when he disturbed the old munition under the jumping pit at the school's track. The item started to burn, but did not explode. The former Pinecastle Jeep Range is one of about 9,000 "Formerly Used Defense Sites" the Army Corps oversees. Though most haven't become residential, the site isn't the first of its kind. A new subdivision in Arlington, Texas, was built on an old bombing range in the early 2000s, spurring several lawsuits and a years-long cleanup process that began in 2005 and continues today. The corps' top priority is Spring Valley in Washington, D.C., where residents live above ground polluted by World War I chemical weapons testing and unexploded munitions. The corps has produced dozens of documents dating back to the 1940s that detail the Orlando site's history as a bombing range, and corps spokeswoman Amanda Ellison says they have always been public records. Ellison said reports on the range from late 1990s were shared with the local officials who compiled information used to approve the site development, before the homes and schools went up. But that information was somehow stripped before the housing was approved. Current city officials haven't been able to determine how or why that happened. "We've looked back and, for all intents and purposes, there just is no smoking gun in this case," Orlando spokesman Carson Chandler said. Lennar Corp. Hired its own inspection crews to find munitions around the homes it built, inciting a legal battle with the Army Corps over those expenses. "The ultimate responsibility for taking care of this problem lies with the only entity responsible for causing this problem  the (Army Corps)," Wayne Broedel, Lennar division president, said in a written statement. Newland Communities Inc., the San Diego-based company that developed the affected areas, declined comment through an attorney, citing pending litigation. So did homebuilders Taylor Morrison and K. Hovnanian. Esperanza Hernandez is worried she'll lose her home, bombs or not. She invested $75,000 on the $274,000 purchase with an adjustable rate mortgage, and now fears it's not worth close to that. "My problem is I am 62 years old, and this is the only home I have," Hernandez said. "Nobody wants to buy a house in this community."
 
 
 
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Re: Explosive Real Estate: Florida Homes Built Atop WWII Bombing Range
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 02:38:31 AM »
we have a site south of town had some chemical agents as well as explosives. killed a kid so far with lewis something
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Re: Explosive Real Estate: Florida Homes Built Atop WWII Bombing Range
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 03:56:12 AM »
Lewisite, oh God. If there's a way to die that I'd gladly die another way to avoid, it's that stuff.

From wiki:

"It can easily penetrate ordinary clothing and even rubber; upon skin contact it causes immediate pain and itching with a rash and swelling. Large, fluid-filled blisters (similar to those caused by mustard gas exposure) develop after approximately 12 hours. These are severe chemical burns. Sufficient absorption can cause systemic poisoning leading to liver necrosis or death."

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Re: Explosive Real Estate: Florida Homes Built Atop WWII Bombing Range
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 04:15:21 AM »
Davie, FL, had a Navy reserve base during WWII, you can still see the faint old runway in part of a field near a school. They've found lots of aerial bombs and also rockets and the like when they dig in area housing developments.

And if Lennar built houses there knowing about it, I am not surprised. If you know much about Lennar, you wouldn't be either.

Same company whose houses used stapled-on roof boards and pretty much exploded in Andrew.

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Re: Explosive Real Estate: Florida Homes Built Atop WWII Bombing Range
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 04:32:04 AM »
yea in the caroline county case the gov "certified" the land as safe. sold it to a developer. their excuse was the chem warfare stuff was so classified they didn't know about it. lil consolation to the dead kids family as well as others sickened. the devaluation of the homes pales in comparison
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Re: Explosive Real Estate: Florida Homes Built Atop WWII Bombing Range
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 04:55:57 AM »
Back in the 1990s in one of the tonier neighborhoods in Washington, DC, near American University, people started finding weird stuff washing up out of the ground. Old lab equipment and the like.

Then during a construction dig they started finding artillery shells...

Turns out the area had been a testing site and dump for the United States during WW I, when the Army had a chemical weapons research laboratory at American University. The clean up took several years. Some of the stuff they found was quite nasty.

Here's a neat article from AU's weekly newspaper... http://veracity.univpubs.american.edu/weeklypast/112800/story_6.html
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2008, 05:25:27 AM »
All we find around here are old bones.  shocked

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Re: Explosive Real Estate: Florida Homes Built Atop WWII Bombing Range
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2008, 10:42:28 AM »
The ultimate irony:

Lewisite smells strongly of geraniums.

And *then* your eyes, nose, and mouth start pouring fluids and blood while your skin begins to blister up and slough off.