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Not bad. Official FX teaser shot.



I like the turrets. Looks like they might actually do it that the spaceships can take a pounding, look like hell, and still fight back, not just explode. I hope so.

It might actually be entertaining.

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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 01:23:52 PM »
Yeah, it was J.J. Abrams intent to make Star Trek more "Star Warsy" in terms of the battle sequences, and get away from the more stately high-noon duel/sailing ship style battles.

However, (and I could be wrong), but the bridge interiors look like they took the worst aspects of the original TV series, an Apple iStore, and the cast of "High School Musical 2" and distilled it down even further...
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2008, 02:17:15 PM »
However, (and I could be wrong), but the bridge interiors look like they took the worst aspects of the original TV series, an Apple iStore, and the cast of "High School Musical 2" and distilled it down even further...

Huh? Two of the stars, those playing McCoy and Sulu are 36 and another, the one playing Scotty, is 40.
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2008, 02:27:16 PM »
I dunno, they must have airbrushed the hell out of them in the promo pics then.

Maybe they're trying to replicate the heavy 60's TV makeup from TOS?

Although casting Zachary Quinto as Spock seems a very good fit. Maybe they just don't carry it well in the stills, but it's good when they're acting/moving etc.
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2008, 02:31:17 PM »
From what I've seen of the FX pics, it looks more like WWII battleships slugging it out. If you've studied WWII battles, those things could be half on fire, with the bridge smashed, and still be returning fire. So it's not a bad concept.

Galactica sure did it well. The episode "Resurrection Ship", with the two battlestars circling gracefully around the enemy ship, pounding it with ranged projectiles like a couple of Iowa-class battleships till it silently broke up...that was absolutely gorgeous.

About 1:47 on this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShM7Bcml0w

They could do that, and I'd watch it.
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2008, 04:43:24 PM »
Well, it looks like they brought the short skirts back from the original show. 

Questions: 
1.  Will the bridge erupt in sparks and exploding consoles when they get hit?  Half the shows I wonder if the technology of the "fuse" was lost somehow. 
2.  Will the captain get in fist fights with every enemy?

William Shatner wasn't all that old when he started the original series.  I was thinking both he and Nemoy looked pretty young in the pilot.
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2008, 04:55:55 PM »
If this trek movie is not awesome I am going to cry.
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2008, 04:56:19 PM »
Well, it looks like they brought the short skirts back from the original show. 

Questions: 
1.  Will the bridge erupt in sparks and exploding consoles when they get hit?  Half the shows I wonder if the technology of the "fuse" was lost somehow. 
2.  Will the captain get in fist fights with every enemy?

William Shatner wasn't all that old when he started the original series.  I was thinking both he and Nemoy looked pretty young in the pilot.

I'm pretty sure Shatner wasn't in the pilot... if I remember correctly, it was Captain Pike, not Kirk...

Edit: Yep, just checked. The pilot was "The Cage" with Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike. This was set 13 years before Kirk became captain.
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 05:17:00 PM »
+1 Makattak.  I knew shatner wasn't the original captain, but didn't care enough to find out myself from imdb.

If this trek movie is not awesome I am going to cry.

The last 4 or 5 haven't exactly been awesome either.

They were cool when Klingons were the enemy.  After that... not so much.  Too much UN and socialism being force-fed on me via the Sci-Fi conduit of my brain.

These cannons on the screenshot above don't look like phasers traditionally have from TOS to NextGen to DS9 to the "prequel" series Enterprise.  Any word if the Enterprise won't have phasers?
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2008, 07:17:40 PM »
+1 Makattak.  I knew shatner wasn't the original captain, but didn't care enough to find out myself from imdb.

The last 4 or 5 haven't exactly been awesome either.

They were cool when Klingons were the enemy.  After that... not so much.  Too much UN and socialism being force-fed on me via the Sci-Fi conduit of my brain.

These cannons on the screenshot above don't look like phasers traditionally have from TOS to NextGen to DS9 to the "prequel" series Enterprise.  Any word if the Enterprise won't have phasers?

They could be phase cannons on turrets to supplement the phasers. Phaser tech would probably be pretty young at this point and Starfleet was usually on the conservative side with sending ships out with new bits attached to them. They seem to have lost that in the modern series. "Captain the new whatsitgadget that we just installed overloaded and now half the ships out of commission."
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2008, 08:16:19 PM »
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They seem to have lost that in the modern series. "Captain the new whatsitgadget that we just installed overloaded and now half the ships out of commission."

That's the other thing.

Pretty much ever since 1/2 way through NextGen, every episode was magically saved via Deus ex Machina.  It even leached into the movies.

ST-I was... odd.  No real enemy.  Very 2001-esque.
ST-II was okay.  I could let the Wrath of Khan resolution go, where they hacked the shields to lower them.  That was fine.
ST-III was fine.  Christopher Lloyd as klingon was a bit odd, but otherwise it was a good flick.
ST-IV was the introduction of the Socialist meme into the series though, which started to kill it for me.
ST-V continued the proletariat struggle, the enforcement of the "common" onto all men.
ST-VI was just a non-issue, IIRC.  Wasn't that the one with no bad guys in it?  The Klingons were good?  Some secret cabala wanted to keep the war going, but that was it.  I remember some socialism going on in here faintly, as well.
ST-VII, an attempted hand-off of the dynasty to the cast of NextGen.  It was alright, but... meh.
ST-VIII was actually okay.

I'm hoping for some of the movies to move backwards and hand-off to Scott Bakula/Jonathan Archer or some other previous generation prior to Kirk.  Maybe even explore Captain Pike's tour of duty?

Show me some daring... some of the space exploration that happened between the Phoenix and the NX-01.
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2008, 07:30:58 AM »
I actually watched the MUCH better edited Director's Cut of the first movie recently, and it wasn't bad at all.

They cut down on the slow bits, but the overall movie did have a nice feel to it in that:

1. It felt like a BIG ship, from the first intro photography that had the little pod approaching it like the side of a cruise liner from hell, it looked huge.

2. It felt like a complex ship run by people who knew what the hell they were doing with training, not a bunch of idiots taking the magically working spaceship out for a joyride.

3. It paid attention to physics! A character had a bulky spacesuit with an MMU backpack, and he left from a complex airlock facility on the bottom of the ship.

4. It did have that 2001 vibe, but in a good way.

It also had, I think, the prettiest ship design. The white hull with the spotlights is gorgeous. Since then, they've gotten busier and busier, and made the interior lights darker and darker.

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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2008, 09:29:51 AM »
I wanna see Denny Crane kneecap a... oh hell, whatever the bad guys were...
 
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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2008, 10:43:04 AM »
ST-VII, an attempted hand-off of the dynasty to the cast of NextGen.  It was alright, but... meh.
ST-VIII was actually okay.

You forgot:
ST-IX Insurrection: "A Really long TNG Episode, not so grate, akshully", and
ST-X Nemesis: "The Enterprise E isn't as pansy as it looked last film, we promise, here, we'll smack it into stuff real hard to prove it."

Though I actually, in some perverse way, liked Nemesis.

I'd love to see some of the stuff you mentioned, though; some immediately post-First Contact stuff with Zephram Cochrane and the Phoenix, and things leading up to Archer and the NX-01.

One thing that the Star Trek writers need to stop, stop, stop doing is using Time Travel for every gorram thing that requires a plot twist.  Especially in Enterprise, about every other episode was:  "Look!  Unsolvable Crisis!  Oh, teh noes!  But wait!  Deus Ex Cuckoo Clock!  >poof<  All of that bad crap never happened!  Bobby Ewing never died!  It was all a dream SueEllyn was having while Bobby was in the shower!"  (That's a scene from the unreleased "Star Trek Histories:  Dallas" daytime tv series).

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Re: Looks like the new Trek movie is going for some serious battle scenes
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2008, 11:11:46 AM »
What's funny is that someone pointed me to a GAME they made, called Starfleet Academy...and the crew they introduced was more interesting than any in the recent series! They all had stories, all eager sorts.

That's one thing I actually liked about the first movie. Even II and VI did some of it. (Nick Meyer wasn't a bad director, he even said he was going for "Hornblower in Space").

It also made you curious. Every one of those portholes could have had a story behind it, all the ensigns carrying in their dufflebags and finding their bunks, all the excitement of a ship about to set sail.

And that's what they did, then. They used music and good filmmaking to give the image of a tall ship clearing its moorings and raising sails, heading for the horizon.

They have never done that since.

And, of course, the respect for physics helped. Someone with a bulky suit and MMU backpack, departing from a large airlock complex shown open to space on the underside, that's also something they've never bothered to make believable since in any film. First Contact tried...and failed. It was so obviously a set with people on wires, the camera angles so failed to make anything look "big"...

That's one thing Abrams has to bring as a director, at least he knows camera angles. Cinematography classes actually make fun of the horrible, bland camerawork done in all the recent Trek series. Long shot, twofer, face one, face two, twofer. Compare that with, say, the opening following shot of Serenity, where the audience meets the entire crew in one completely uncut shot.



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