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Men guilty over fake penis scam
« on: November 28, 2008, 07:43:17 PM »
For once in my life, I'm speechless.

The makers of a prosthetic penis to help men cheat on drugs tests have pleaded guilty to two charges of conspiracy in a US federal court.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7747833.stm

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2008, 07:44:44 PM »
That's... odd.
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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2008, 08:07:51 PM »
You mean you haven't heard of the "Whizzinator"?   :lol:

On several forums when the topic comes up, several Probation/Parole officers chime in with stories how sometimes even the same one makes the rounds and gets passed from convict to convict when test time rolls around... And sometimes they're so dumb they don't realize that they got the race/skin-tone wrong.

Some places have instituted a physical exam prior to the production of the specimen due to these fake tallywhackers.

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2008, 08:10:09 PM »
So what's next in the arms race?
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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2008, 11:21:51 PM »
Goodness gracious!
What next!?

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2008, 11:37:51 PM »
So what's next in the arms race?

Wasn't there a school football movie where they were using a catheter to fill a dirty player's bladder with clean urine before a test?

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2008, 12:49:05 AM »
Isn't that what the dude in Gattaca did?
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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2008, 02:34:56 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out what law(s) they broke.

No problems understanding that the folks who used the products were not upstanding citizens, and if caught deserved to be chaged with various and sundry offenses.  But these guys sold a product that, although intended for use to "beat the system" was not, so far as my research can determine, is in fact a prohibited item to manufacture.  It is apparetly illegal to sell in a few states:

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The Whizzinator 5000- Undetectable - Foolproof -Re Useable-Complete Urine Substitution Kit -Natural LifeLike Skintones-Only The Best Synthetic Urine-(Color : Black)
WE CAN NOT SELL THIS PRODUCT TO THE FOLLOWING STATES: NJ , KY , OK , IL , PA , SC , NC , AR , IA
PLEASE DON NOT TRY TO ORDER

This, from Wikki, pisses me off no end:

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On October 14 2008, federal prosecutors in Pittsburgh won a 19-count indictment against the owners of Puck Technology, maker of the Whizzinator, for fraud and selling drug paraphernalia.[2] Prosecutors allege that by manufacturing and selling the Whizzinator, company president Gerald Wills and vice president Robert Catalano conspired to defraud the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, which administers federal workplace drug testing programs. The government is seeking forfeiture of all of the company's assets, including its Internet domain names. According to the BBC, Wills and Catalano pleaded guilty to two charges of conspiracy before a federal court in Pittsburgh, and are scheduled to be sentenced in February 2009. They could face up to eight years in prison and a $500,000 fine. [3]

The company's Websites, whizzinator.com and gonumber1.com, were no longer live as of November 2008.

Selling the thing was a conspiracy to defraud the .gov's pee-testing program?  There is something wrong with the system when the .gov goes after these guys instead of the miscreants who are the objects of the pee-testing.  It's like saying the folks who manufacture and/or sell those radar/laser jammers are conspiring to defraud the .gov of speeding ticket revenues.

My read on the issue is that the folks who run the programs were not smart enough to catch those who were using the product and got embarassed, so they went after the easier (and richer) target.

Excuse me while I go bang my head for a while - even if that winds up getting me charged with conspiracy to destroy something.

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2008, 02:39:19 AM »
Uh... was that the "short arms" race?
 
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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2008, 03:00:34 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out what law(s) they broke.

No problems understanding that the folks who used the products were not upstanding citizens, and if caught deserved to be chaged with various and sundry offenses.  But these guys sold a product that, although intended for use to "beat the system" was not, so far as my research can determine, is in fact a prohibited item to manufacture.  It is apparetly illegal to sell in a few states:

This, from Wikki, pisses me off no end:

Selling the thing was a conspiracy to defraud the .gov's pee-testing program?  There is something wrong with the system when the .gov goes after these guys instead of the miscreants who are the objects of the pee-testing.  It's like saying the folks who manufacture and/or sell those radar/laser jammers are conspiring to defraud the .gov of speeding ticket revenues.

My read on the issue is that the folks who run the programs were not smart enough to catch those who were using the product and got embarassed, so they went after the easier (and richer) target.

Excuse me while I go bang my head for a while - even if that winds up getting me charged with conspiracy to destroy something.

stay safe - if you can, these days.

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It was bothering me too but I couldn't articulate exactly why I didn't like them going after them.
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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2008, 03:02:03 AM »
Ok, funny story time...

A friend was a P&P officer.  One of his probationers comes in for the monthly visit.  The fellow seemed unusually nervous.  So, suspecting that the fellow is on something, the officer decides to UA him.  The field kit is located, and a cup is provided.  Having found a "device" in the trousers of another probationer the week before, the officer decides to stand in the doorway of the restroom.  The customer finds the officer's presence bothersome, and requests privacy.  The officer refuses to move.  The customer levels various accusations regarding the officer's preferences, lineage, spousal fidelity, maternal promiscuity, and a few other topics that might well embarrass a Gunnery Sergeant.  The officer replies that the customer is welcome to walk across the street to the courthouse and repeat the various epithets for a judge, but that it may well result in revocation of the customer's probation and a lengthy incarceration.  The customer reluctantly agrees to urinate in the officer's presence.

So, having established a plan of action, the customer proceeds to unbuckle his belt without incident.  Removal of his trousers, however, proves... exculpatory.  

Upon unbuttoning his pants, the customer loses his grip on the waistband, and his trousers fall to the floor.  The officer, expecting to discover a "device," is instead treated to a full view of the customer's OEM endowment.  The officer also notices that the trousers appeared to fall off of the customer with a speed indicative of an unusually heavy object having been concealed therein.  The officer is quite unnerved by this development, believing the object to be a firearm.  The officer is quite mistaken in this belief.

As the officer is drawing his weapon and instructing the customer to remain motionless, the customer attempts to retrieve his fallen garment.  In doing so, the customer inadvertently punctures one of two plastic bags concealed in the garment, and proceeds to spill roughly one pound of mid-grade homemade methamphetamine powder onto the bathroom floor.

Moments later, several of the officer's associates, roused by the officer's statements to the customer, arrive ready to fight an armed assailant.  They are, however, incapacitated with laughter at the sight of a "naked dumbass covered in crystal meth."

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2008, 07:10:50 AM »
I used to know a guy who would stash a couple of little nippers filled with clean urine in his crotch on test day. He said the biggest problem was making sure he didn't "clink" down there when he was walking in. The idea was to have the urine be warm in the cup when it was given to the tester because cold urine was a sure sign of a fake job.  =|
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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2008, 07:14:44 AM »
Wasn't there a school football movie where they were using a catheter to fill a dirty player's bladder with clean urine before a test?

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2008, 07:50:23 AM »
I used to know a guy who would stash a couple of little nippers filled with clean urine in his crotch on test day. He said the biggest problem was making sure he didn't "clink" down there when he was walking in. The idea was to have the urine be warm in the cup when it was given to the tester because cold urine was a sure sign of a fake job.  =|

In my experience with the fed.gov they have a sticker that can be placed on the side of the cup that tells them the temperature of the sample.
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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2008, 10:26:36 PM »
This is asinine.

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2008, 12:38:55 AM »
Just another result of the War On (some) Drugs.

It's already brought us no knock raids, asset forfeiture with the burden of proof on the victim, eroded fourth amendment protections, the highest incarceration rate in the world, and billions of doallrs of wasted tax revenue.  Now you can add plastic penises to the casualty list.


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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2008, 11:18:27 AM »
This is asinine.



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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2008, 12:12:01 PM »
Maybe we need a Penis Czar?

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Re: Men guilty over fake penis scam
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2008, 10:00:54 PM »
Maybe we need a Penis Czar?

Or, to get back to its Roman roots, "Penis Ceasar."

Pun definitely intended.
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