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myrockfight

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Heart Murmur
« on: December 02, 2008, 03:20:04 PM »
Does anyone know anyone here who has developed a heart murmur from an illness? I am trying to do some research for someone I am close to. They don't have insurance right now and doesn't want to get it checked out. I kept telling her that it is really important, since a faulty valve could present some serious complications.

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Re: Heart Murmur
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 03:22:28 PM »
Heart murmurs come in all sizes and shapes and conditions. I'm normally averse to medical "expertise," which often isn't any more expert than witch doctoring; when it comes to heart murmurs, however, I'd suggest a conversation with a competent cardiologist.
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Re: Heart Murmur
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 03:50:22 PM »
Yeah. That is what I am pushing for. She is worried about getting it checked out because when she does get insurance they will say it is a pre-existing condition. Plus, she can't pay for the tests that she needs to get done anyway.

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Re: Heart Murmur
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2008, 03:55:25 PM »
Heart murmurs aren't always bad.  My wife's got one that's completely benign. 

It even sounds kind of cool, it makes a squishy sloshy sound when I listen to it.
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Re: Heart Murmur
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2008, 05:02:38 PM »
Heart murmurs aren't always bad.  My wife's got one that's completely benign. 

It even sounds kind of cool, it makes a squishy sloshy sound when I listen to it.

Well this one definitely isn't cool. She got a staph infection while in the hospital. The bacteria latched on to a valve and ruined it. So now she functioning at like 80%. The doctor who noticed it (a friend actually) is keeping hushed about it until she gets insurance. Normally I wouldn't be worried, but the doc said it was one of the loudest ones he has heard. That is not always a key factor as to how bad it is, it isn't good either - especially considering how much it has slowed her down.

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Re: Heart Murmur
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 06:30:26 PM »
CHECK IT. NOW.

My otherwise very healthy uncle-in-law died days after a dental cleaning, apparently because bacteria entered thru cleaning-related leisons (sp?), were attracted to a damaged valve, ate the valve, and he just closed his eyes and expired whilst being transfered between hospitals while figuring out what was going wrong.

Yes, murmors come in all kinds. Many people have largely benign ones. Some don't. Don't ignore the fact there is a very broad spectrum.

I just had a valve replaced. (I tick now. Audibly.) I knew it was coming for decades, waiting for gradual deterioration of the bicuspid aortic valve to reach a point where replacement was better than not. A side effect of the valve deterioration unexpectedly caused another problem ("total cardiac block", bottom chambers not getting the signal to beat) which very well could have seen me go from apparently healthy to dead in minutes (new cardiologist, upon diagnosis, tactfully asked "you're sure you don't have any symptoms?" meaning "why are you vertical?"). Even without that problem, the failing valve would have progressively led to congestive heart failure in about 3 years, and waiting to replace the valve would have assured survival but not full recovery. Once the total cardiac block was discovered, it was 10 days from diagnosis to surgery, replacing the bad valve with a mechanical one (On-X Carbon) and bypassing the block with a resynchronization pacemaker (InSync III CRT-P), with near-total recovery in mere weeks. ...and all this is separate from the mitral valve prolapse, which is apparently harmless (kinda snaps a little more than it should).

So, as someone who had major valve issues, and had an in-law die of an illness-induced heart murmor, GET IT CHECKED!!!

Yes, it's expensive. Can easily be several hundred dollars for the necessary echocardiogram and diagnosis - but that's a lot cheaper than the alternatives. Should something be diagnosed but not require immediate attention, I observe that mine was known since high school but didn't cause any "pre-existing condition" issues. Should something NOT be diagnosed but requires immediate attention, the result can easily be death, be it rapid (just pass out and that's it) or prolonged (gradual loss of strength/stamina until expiration). Should something be diagnosed AND promptly acted on, while the cost may be high at worst you can probably work out something like a $10/day payment plan for life.

Your friend needs to have health insurance, at least the "catastrophic" kind. Ask her if ~$200/mo going to luxuries vs. health is worth dying over.
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Re: Heart Murmur
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2008, 06:43:04 PM »
Well this one definitely isn't cool. She got a staph infection while in the hospital. The bacteria latched on to a valve and ruined it. So now she functioning at like 80%. The doctor who noticed it (a friend actually) is keeping hushed about it until she gets insurance. Normally I wouldn't be worried, but the doc said it was one of the loudest ones he has heard. That is not always a key factor as to how bad it is, it isn't good either - especially considering how much it has slowed her down.

Gah.  I'm sorry, man.  I somehow missed the part where you said it was from an illness.  I apologize for being crass.

But yes, loud doesn't always mean bad.  MY wife's is pretty loud, but isn't impacting her functioning at all.  How do you know she's at 80%?  I'd totally ask your dr friend, but as long as she's not having chest pains or angina, she might just be recovering slowly from whatever else she had.  Did she have something like Scarlet Fever or Rheumatic Fever?

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