Author Topic: Lawyers call for international court for the environment  (Read 2459 times)

Desertdog

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,360
Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« on: December 01, 2008, 02:40:15 PM »
Not no, but hell NO.

Lawyers call for international court for the environment
A former chairman of the Bar Council is calling for an international court for the environment to punish states that fail to protect wildlife and prevent climate change.

Stephen Hockman QC is proposing a body similar to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to be the supreme legal authority on issues regarding the environment.

The first role of the new body would be to enforce international agreements on cutting greenhouse gas emissions set to be agreed next year.

But the court would also fine countries or companies that fail to protect endangered species or degrade the natural environment and enforce the "right to a healthy environment".

The innovative idea is being presented to an audience of politicians, scientists and public figures for the first time at a symposium at the British Library.

Mr Hockman, a deputy High Court judge, said that the threat of climate change means it is more important than ever for the law to protect the environment.

The UN Climate Change Conference in Poznan, Poland this month is set to begin negotiations that will lead to a new agreement to replace the Kyoto Protocol in Copenhagen next year. Developed countries are expected to commit to cutting emissions drastically, while developing countries agree to halt deforestation.

Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, has agreed the concept of an international court will be taken into account when considering how to make these international agreements on climate change binding. The court is also backed by a number of MPs, climate change experts and public figures including the actress Judi Dench.

Mr Hockman said an international court will be needed to enforce and regulate any agreement.

"The time is now ripe to set this up and get it going," he said. "Its remit will be overall climate change and the need for better regulation of carbon emissions but at the same time the implementation and enforcement of international environmental agreements and instruments."

As well as providing resolution between states, the court will also be useful for multinational businesses in ensuring environmental laws are kept to in every country.

The court would include a convention on the right to a healthy environment and provide a higher body for individuals or non-governmental organisations to protest against an environmental injustice.

Mr Hockman said the court may be able to fine businesses or states but its main role will be in making "declaratory rulings" that influence and embarrass countries into upholding the law.

He said: "Of course regulations and sanctions alone cannot deliver a global solution to problems of climate change, but without such components the incentive for individual countries to address those problems – and to achieve solutions that are politically acceptable within their own jurisdictions – will be much reduced."

The court would be led by retired judges, climate change experts and public figures. It would include a scientific body to consider evidence and provide access to any data on the environment.

Most importantly, Mr Hockman said an international court on the environment would influence public opinion which in turn would force Governments to take the environment seriously. He said: "If there are bodies around that can give definitive legal rulings that are accepted as fair and reasonable that has its own impact on public opinion."

Friends of the Earth welcomed the idea.

A spokesman said: "We think any institution that is going to promote and help people enforce their right to a clean and healthy environment is a good thing."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/3530607/Lawyers-call-for-international-court-for-the-environment.html

charby

  • Necromancer
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29,295
  • APS's Resident Sikh/Muslim
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2008, 03:16:54 PM »
Well all the row crop and live stock farmers here will be fubared if that happens.

Iowa- 88% more livable that the rest of the US

Uranus is a gas giant.

Team 444: Member# 536

AZRedhawk44

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,991
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 03:27:56 PM »
Oh, good.  Now some UN fluff-jobs outside of our own country can shut down all our shooting ranges in gun friendly states.

Hmm.  Let the blue helmets come and enforce THAT one! :angel:
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."
--Lysander Spooner

I reject your authoritah!

freedom lover

  • resident high school student
  • Senior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 745
  • "Who is the Coon?"
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 03:38:09 PM »
Things like this are what make me agree with the people who want to get our country out of the U.N.

Only once failing to veto some crazy resolution could mess our country up real bad.

Racehorse

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 829
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 03:50:51 PM »
Of course lawyers are calling for something like this. It would create a whole new legal specialty worth billions of dollars. It's so transparent that this is just all about money.

Desertdog

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,360
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 04:23:46 PM »
Quote
Of course lawyers are calling for something like this. It would create a whole new legal specialty worth billions of dollars. It's so transparent that this is just all about money.
If you research whose idea this is, I bet you will find a lawyer.

Tallpine

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 23,172
  • Grumpy Old Grandpa
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 08:05:45 PM »
Well all the row crop and live stock farmers here will be fubared if that happens.



And of course they are the ones providing habitat (and free food) right now  :rolleyes:
Freedom is a heavy load, a great and strange burden for the spirit to undertake. It is not easy. It is not a gift given, but a choice made, and the choice may be a hard one. The road goes upward toward the light; but the laden traveller may never reach the end of it.  - Ursula Le Guin

LAK

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 915
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2008, 03:20:36 AM »
Now now; don't be a bad machine in the new .worldgov

Jeff B.

  • New Member
  • Posts: 47
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2008, 08:13:17 AM »
Things like this are what make me agree with the people who want to get our country out of the U.N.

Only once failing to veto some crazy resolution could mess our country up real bad.

Since we are handing out money in billion dollar wads these days, we should offer the UN a billion for a new HQ, on the conditions that;

 - We are out...
 - It is located in some friendly and appropriate location for the UN, Havana, Moscow, Pyongyang, Tehran...

Jeff B.
"The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits"
Plutarch

Scout26

  • I'm a leaf on the wind.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 25,997
  • I spent a week in that town one night....
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2008, 08:33:53 AM »
Since we are handing out money in billion dollar wads these days, we should offer the UN a billion for a new HQ, on the conditions that;

 - We are out...
 - It is located in some friendly and appropriate location for the UN, Havana, Moscow, Pyongyang, Tehran...

Jeff B.

Pyongyang has that nice 100+ story hotel that almost completed and pretty much vacant.   Sounds perfect to me !!!
Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants won't help.


Bring me my Broadsword and a clear understanding.
Get up to the roundhouse on the cliff-top standing.
Take women and children and bed them down.
Bless with a hard heart those that stand with me.
Bless the women and children who firm our hands.
Put our backs to the north wind.
Hold fast by the river.
Sweet memories to drive us on,
for the motherland.

T.O.M.

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6,418
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2008, 08:37:26 AM »
If you research whose idea this is, I bet you will find a lawyer.

When I was in law school, we had a speaker come and talk about lobbying, and how that process worked.  He talked about his greatest achievment as a lobbiest in Indiana, where he convinced a young rep. to propose a bill that would have changed the law with regards to radar detectors, making possession of one a criminal charge (high level misdemeanor).  he then took the bill to several companies that made detectors and got all of them to fund his efforts to kill the bill, which he said never stood a chance in the first place.

Sounds like more of the same here...  I hate lawyers.   :lol:
No, I'm not mtnbkr.  ;)

a.k.a. "our resident Legal Smeagol."...thanks BryanP
"Anybody can give legal advice - but only licensed attorneys can sell it."...vaskidmark

Manedwolf

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,516
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2008, 08:59:10 AM »
Pyongyang has that nice 100+ story hotel that almost completed and pretty much vacant.   Sounds perfect to me !!!

It's also unstable and might collapse.

Not a bad thing, overall.

Jeff B.

  • New Member
  • Posts: 47
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 09:35:45 PM »
It's also unstable and might collapse.

Not a bad thing, overall.

 =D

LOL!  Even better!

Jeff B.
"The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits"
Plutarch

RevDisk

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,633
    • RevDisk.net
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2008, 03:16:35 PM »
Oh, good.  Now some UN fluff-jobs outside of our own country can shut down all our shooting ranges in gun friendly states.

Hmm.  Let the blue helmets come and enforce THAT one! :angel:

I talked to the blue helmets.  To the man, they said they'd eat their guns first.  It'd just save time.   US gun owners have a bit of a reputation, internationally. 
"Rev, your picture is in my King James Bible, where Paul talks about "inventors of evil."  Yes, I know you'll take that as a compliment."  - Fistful, possibly highest compliment I've ever received.

Balog

  • Unrepentant race traitor
  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 17,774
  • What if we tried more?
Re: Lawyers call for international court for the environment
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2008, 03:25:16 PM »
I talked to the blue helmets.  To the man, they said they'd eat their guns first.  It'd just save time.   US gun owners have a bit of a reputation, internationally. 

That makes me so happy......
Quote from: French G.
I was always pleasant, friendly and within arm's reach of a gun.

Quote from: Standing Wolf
If government is the answer, it must have been a really, really, really stupid question.