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California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« on: December 11, 2008, 09:53:54 AM »
Two items of note for me. 1) I saw this in Yahoo "science" news. Shouldn't it be in the political section? 2) I see the heart of the plan is "carbon credits". So the moron dems and RHINO Governor talk a big game regarding "pollution reduction" but in the end, it's "pay us money and we'll let you 'pollute' ". Oh, and I guess a third thing: what the hell is up with "consumers will have to pay to get their tires inflated during oil changes" ?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081211/ap_on_re_us/california_greenhouse_gases_2

Calif. set to adopt sweeping global warming plan
By SAMANTHA YOUNG, Associated Press Writer Samantha Young, Associated Press Writer Thu Dec 11, 3:52 am ET

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – California's utilities, refineries and large factories must transform their operations to cut greenhouse gas emissions as part of a new climate plan before state regulators.

On Thursday, the California Air Resources Board was expected to adopt what would be the nation's most sweeping global warming plan, outlining for the first time how individuals and businesses would meet a landmark 2006 law that made the state a leader on global climate change.

It would hold California's worst polluters accountable for the heat-trapping emissions they produce — transforming how people travel, utilities generate power and businesses use electricity.

At the heart of the plan is the future creation of a carbon-credit market designed to give the state's major polluters cheaper ways to cut emissions.

If adopted, the plan would set clear strategies for how the country's most populous state plans to cut emissions at a time many governments around the world are struggling with a financial crisis that threatens to undermine efforts to fight climate change.

California's 2006 law, called the Global Warming Solutions Act, mandates the state cut emissions to 1990 levels by 2020.

The strategy chosen by air regulators relies on 31 new rules affecting all facets of life, from what fuels Californians put in their vehicles to what kind of air conditioners businesses put in their buildings.

The average Californian, for example, can expect to pay to have his or her car tires inflated during oil changes and to pay higher power bills as utilities try to increase their use of renewable energy.

He or she could also see more fuel-efficient cars at dealerships, better public transportation, new housing near schools and businesses, and utility rebates to equip homes to be more energy efficient.

New fees and reporting requirements will accompany the emission rules.

Finding ways to implement California's target has not been without controversy.

Republicans, small businesses and major industries that will be forced to change their operations say jobs could be lost, companies might leave the state and energy prices will skyrocket.

California's nonpartisan legislative analyst and independent scientists have criticized some of the air board's research, saying the costs to the state could be greater than projected. Assemblyman Roger Niello, R-Fair Oaks, has asked the board to postpone its vote and perform a more thorough economic analysis.

An air board analysis published in September projected California's economy would grow faster if the state acts to cut emissions. It estimated 100,000 more jobs would be created and the average California household would save $400 a year by driving more fuel-efficient vehicles and living in more energy-efficient homes.

Air board chairwoman Mary Nichols said she was optimistic the country would be out of the recession by the time California's industries, commercial businesses and individuals must begin complying with emission regulations in 2012.

Once all the measures are in force, the air board projects the cost to the state at $25 billion in 2020, but said that will be more than offset by the savings — which it estimates at $40 billion that year. Supporters of the law also hope it will make California a leader in green technology, attracting investments and jobs.

Most of the reductions in California's emissions will come from more detailed regulations that will be written over the next few years, including rules governing a cap-and-trade program that launches in 2012 to help the largest polluters achieve emission cuts.

But allowing businesses to buy their way out of the problem is another contentious part of the plan. Representatives of California's poor communities say the polluting power plants, refineries and factories in their neighborhoods could write a check rather than cut emissions.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 10:15:09 AM »
Wait...

As I recall, California has recently had not only massive government shortfalls, but also had rolling blackouts because they couldn't get enough power...

Thus, Schwarzenegger was elected to office.

And now, California has massive government shortfalls and a plan to ensure they will have less power.

Bravo, California, bravo.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 10:20:15 AM »
I bet the business flight from California for Nevada, Arizona, etc., is going to be breathtaking.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 10:32:35 AM »
I bet the business flight from California for Nevada, Arizona, etc., is going to be breathtaking.

Followed by the stupid Californians who approve of this kind of crap looking for work. They will then export this stupidity to Nevada, Arizona, etc...

They're a plague. They're like locusts.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 10:34:23 AM »
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California's utilities, refineries and large factories must transform their operations to cut greenhouse gas emissions as part of a new climate plan before state regulators.

Bet they 'transform' right the heck out of the state!

Just wait... Obama will do this to the whole country, and businesses will vanish or move overseas.

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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 10:48:38 AM »
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Obama will do this to the whole country, and businesses will vanish or move overseas.

And then greenhouse gas emissions will be cut drastically...



...because no one will be able to afford electricity, buy petrol to drive or purchase manufactured goods.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 10:56:20 AM »
And then greenhouse gas emissions will be cut drastically...



...because no one will be able to afford electricity, buy petrol to drive or purchase manufactured goods.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 10:58:37 AM »
Except for your Lords and Superiors that is.

Well yea.  And those who have friends in Washington.

It's the 'Atlas Shrugged' model, minus John Galt.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 11:04:06 AM »
Well yea.  And those who have friends in Washington.

It's the 'Atlas Shrugged' model, minus John Gault.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 11:04:20 AM »
My brother had it right - years ago, he decided "screw all this" and started buying land, building things, planting things, etc. - he's pretty much self-sufficient and waiting to ditch the rest of the country once things get REALLY bad... right now, he's just working and improving what he already has. I think he could outlast pretty much any horrible thing to hit this country.


Just one problem - he doesn't see why a gun might just be a touch useful.  :O
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 11:56:02 AM »
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At the heart of the plan is the future creation of a carbon-credit market scam designed to give the state's major polluters cheaper ways to cut emissions funnel taxpayer's energy dollars into the pockets of those who don't produce or supply their energy.

Fixed it.

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He or she could also see more fuel-efficient undersized & overpriced cars at dealerships, better more expensive public transportation, new high density tenement housing near schools and businesses, and utility taxpayer-funded rebates to equip homes to be more energy efficient less comfortable.

New fees higher taxes and reporting requirements an expanded bureaucracy will accompany the emission rules.

Fixed that, too.

I'm convinced the people running California are either clinically insane or so crooked they'd make Tony Soprano blush . . .
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 01:34:48 PM »
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...what the hell is up with "consumers will have to pay to get their tires inflated during oil changes" ?

One more small tax.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 02:31:18 PM »
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...what the hell is up with "consumers will have to pay to get their tires inflated during oil changes" ?
One more small tax.
Most service centers will automatically check the air in your tires. But remember, BHO says that we'd save oodles of gas if everyone just kept their tires properly inflated; that seems to be the centerpiece of his energy policy.

So . . . pass a LAW requiring service stations to check & adjust tire pressure. (Never mind that the tires of a customer who just drove in will likely be hot.) Hire inspectors to spot check them and be sure they're following the mandate. Provide training and supervision to the inspectors. Put a tax on the dealer to fund the inspections. Pass the cost on to the consumer.
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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2008, 02:34:09 PM »
My brother had it right - years ago, he decided "screw all this" and started buying land, building things, planting things, etc. - he's pretty much self-sufficient and waiting to ditch the rest of the country once things get REALLY bad... right now, he's just working and improving what he already has. I think he could outlast pretty much any horrible thing to hit this country.


Just one problem - he doesn't see why a gun might just be a touch useful.  :O

Remind him that if he doesn't have one, all he did was build a house for somebody to take from him and live in. Good for them, sucks for him.

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Re: California Set to Adopt Sweeping Global Warming Plan
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2008, 02:39:54 PM »
"Just one problem - he doesn't see why a gun might just be a touch useful."

Let's go take what he's worked to make for himself. Just take it from him.

We can turn it into the APS retreat.

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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2008, 03:22:31 PM »
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Remind him that if he doesn't have one, all he did was build a house for somebody to take from him and live in. Good for them, sucks for him.

No, no, he thinks I'm going to rush across the country with all my guns and supplies to save him - he's said as much.

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Let's go take what he's worked to make for himself. Just take it from him.

We can turn it into the APS retreat.

Disconnect. He's a Ph.D. that doesn't understand why people would be violent.  ;/
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2008, 04:05:57 PM »
No, no, he thinks I'm going to rush across the country with all my guns and supplies to save him - he's said as much.

Disconnect. He's a Ph.D. that doesn't understand why people would be violent.  ;/

So he can't even grasp the basic concept that if the SHTF, someone could just walk up his driveway, pull out a handgun, point it at him and say "Get out. This house is mine.", and he'd either have to die or comply?

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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2008, 04:10:59 PM »
Correct. It hurts my brain that he's such a dumb smart person.
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