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Felonious Monk/Fignozzle

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« on: November 11, 2005, 12:22:16 PM »
This is a difficult subject.  
Some would question my discretion at posting this on a "public" forum, but seriously, this is a virtual community, and I consider many of you friends.  If it helps, pretend we're buddies sitting at Shoney's over a glass of tea, or the local brewpub over a Newcastle.

My wife and I have hit a rough patch.

When we moved to Alobammo, we left behind the one place we both had been, including friends, family, and "kingdom" for the last 22 years.  ("Kingdom" is defined as knowing somebody in the business-- a friend who is an expert in almost any field, from whom who you can call in a favor and get it fixed for half the price)

The move was relatively uneventful, and wife and three kids have all made the transition with flying colors, making new best friends, very active in sports, high school band, youth groups, and so on.
My wife has a bizarre college degree, one that is not particularly marketable, and yet we got here and she found an organization that had been looking for the last 3 years for someone with exactly her specialty!
She loves what she does.

My job was a b!tch, and I was the only college-educated person in the group; the rest were grizzled 20+ year veterans of the company who only had their jobs because of time with the company and 'who they knew' (and a couple were total jerks);
so when I blew out my knee in June and was told by my surgeon that I could still do IT support, just couldn't lift/haul/carry equipment around, it was equal parts of relief and disappointment.  
Still don't know how that's all going to shake out...I'm not on a 90 day "job search leave of absence", and they are SUPPOSEDLY trying to find a position for me.  We'll see.

Anyway, enough background.


I'm somewhat an introvert, an INFJ Myers-Briggs.
In the dictionary next to the words "Hyperactive Extrovert", is my wife's picture.

We are really struggling to find 'common ground'; it pisses her off and frustrates her that I am not the fun-loving, life of the party like she is.

She claims I spectate, I don't participate in our family's activities.
I've made a HUGE effort lately, attending soccer games, HS Football games just to support my daughter in the marching band, attending LOTS of "extra" church activities with my wife in addition to just the Sunday morning services, and doing lots of activities in the 'spirit of community' as she has asked.

She told me today that things are getting busy for her at work, and she doesn't appreciate how little participation I invest into our family's activities...(wtf?)

I explained that I'm having a really tough time having to go through a work transition-- again-- right after we relocated to take a job down here, and I just needed some support and encouragement.

She asked me what that looks like, and I went through a long description.
She got mad and said I was calling her a fool (wtf again?)

I asked if this was a MINO (marriage in name only); she said 'at this point', pretty much.

I pour my heart out about how much I wanted to improve things.
She somewhere pulled out of that conversation that I was calling her a fool.
I tried to protest and say "not at all, that's not even close to what I was trying to say",
She was like "yes it is, that's what you communicated".

So in the midst of tough times, when I desperately need someone who sees the good in me, who trusts and encourages and reminds me that someone believes in me, all I get is a boatload of negative expectations.

Talk about sucking the wind right out of a guy's sails...
At least it's not raining.

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2005, 01:45:30 PM »
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She somewhere pulled out of that conversation that I was calling her a fool.
Women seem to have a spectacular ability to weave anything you can say into a personal insult. Generally, I've found this happens when they have something else bothering em, so they get a chance to pick a fight in order to vent some frustration. You might try digging a little deeper.

Beyond that, be blunt. Pick a quiet time to tell her you need her support right now, and that you're concerned about the direction your relationship is heading. Sincere, straight-forward honesty should grab her attention if she cares about you like she should.
It is difficult if not impossible to reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into. - 230RN

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2005, 04:03:54 PM »
Consider couples counseling. It works best for situations like this, where the biggest problem is communication. If she won't go with you at first, tell her you're going anyway.

Good luck!

 (Yikes, I'm giving maritial advice. Be afraid, very afraid.)

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2005, 04:25:14 PM »
Oh Fig.  Women's perception of reality vs what we as men perceive are not even close.  I've been married for 39 years and I am just now reaching a comfort zone, only because I think she finally gave up on her idea of what I should be. Not really, that is just another fantasy that I have.  I used to believe communication was the key, but they don't hear what we say.  And they don't believe we are listening or are capable of understanding what they say.  If they do it is in another reality from the world we live in.  So I guess I'm just as disjointed and confused as I ever was, except we seem to be more peaceful now than ever before.  I don't know, really, why, except it is good.  I am not being disrespectful here.  Just something that seems to be reality in close inter species relationships.  Not a knock on women, just a grampster observation.  Doesn't make it right or so, just part of my movie.

I have a sense from your post that your wife is social and you are somewhat laid back.  I think you express yourself in the ether, not in person.  You are someone that I listen to when you post and appear to be an interesting critter.  In my case I'm social and in the ether, and SWMBO is private but very involved in family stuff.  I'd just as soon read a book.  Doesn't mean I don't love my family, it's just that my idea a family is just having them around, not necessarily dealing with them.

Actually I'm not qualified, as I think about it, to comment on your situation, except in some bizarre way, I understand it.  Just keep on trying to be involved in your family, as you are doing.  Don't try to read anything into anything.  Tell her you love her and respect her that you need her support right now.  Tell her that the only way you'll be able to get over your crisis is with her help and that you, at least are a known factor in her life.  That if she is thinking that life may be better without you, remind her that a known thing that is trying to change and adapt is better than an unknown that may be bigger surprise.  Point out that you are different from each other and that is much better than being twins.  That is boring.  Being different is interesting.  Frustrating, yes.  Interesting is vitality.

Having said that, the best thing a man can do in a situation like yours is to give and adapt.  I have found that in giving, oddly you get.  The more you set aside yourself, the more of yourself you gain.  Seems contradictary, but somehow seems to work.

I'm sorry if this doesn't make any sense or is helpful.  I just see me  and SWMBO 20 years ago in your post.   It is just better to stay together somehow, than to start over again.  That's a bigger drag imho.

God Bless.
"Never wrestle with a pig.  You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."  G.B. Shaw

Felonious Monk/Fignozzle

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2005, 04:50:36 PM »
Barbara-- will do.  May be hard to find one up to the task here in Mayberry.

Grampster-- Makes a ton of sense.
I feel a sense of comaraderie with you, as well.

SWMBO and I both love the Lord, so I don't think it's terminal.  Some couples just don't do a very good job of being supportive of one another, and we're unfortunately in that category.

Hard times are doubly hard, because I know that if I had a really supportive spouse, things would be SO much easier.  Sure, it makes me stronger, tougher, more reliant on the Lord and on myself, but I guess therein is the frustration, that if folks walk through the fire leaning on one another, the relationship goes much deeper as well.

Once heard a guy say "the stronger the wind blows, the deeper the roots grow."
Guess I'm just growing deep roots.  
Durn it. Wink

Those of you who are so inclined, say a prayer for us, huh?
Thanks
Fig

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2005, 04:57:18 PM »
My favorite advice for life.  Jerimiah 17  5-8.  Just general advice for the lonely man, when he is at his loneliest.  It is doubly lonely at that particular time even when in the company of others.  Yet, even when those the closest to you seem the furthest away, you are aforded the opportunity to draw closer yet.  The best of times come forth from the depths of trial.
"Never wrestle with a pig.  You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."  G.B. Shaw

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2005, 05:06:47 PM »
Found it.  Thanks g
5 This is what the Lord says: "Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans and turn their hearts away from the Lord. 6 They are like stunted shrubs in the desert, with no hope for the future. They will live in the barren wilderness, on the salty flats where no one lives.
7 "But blessed are those who trust in the Lord and have made the Lord their hope and confidence. 8 They are like trees planted along a riverbank, with roots that reach deep into the water. Such trees are not bothered by the heat or worried by long months of drought. Their leaves stay green, and they go right on producing delicious fruit.

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2005, 08:54:43 PM »
Sorry to hear about the discourse.

I got less business giving advice than anyone else.

1) Sell one of the kids and take that vacation you two always thought you'd take.

Well if that don't work...

2) Toss a bottle of Annie Green Springs and a blanket in the trunk of the car. Some night when just you two and having to be in the same car ...

...Just head down a dirt road to a secluded spot, near a lake, creek or somesuch. Re-live yesteryear. Knock the car out of gear, honk the horn, get all whomperjawed in the back seat making Whoopee...come home grinning, looking all disheveled and lie to the kids why you were late getting home.

What do I know? I am single with two ex wives that talk about me now-a-days. Then again they most likely don't. Whatever...

Best of Luck

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2005, 04:48:07 AM »
Start securing and hiding assets you'd like to keep.
Be careful that the toes you step on now aren't connected to the ass you have to kiss later.

Eat Moose. Wear Wolf.

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2005, 08:33:31 AM »
Quote from: Barbara
Consider couples counseling. It works best for situations like this, where the biggest problem is communication. If she won't go with you at first, tell her you're going anyway.
I second the motion -- good advice, Barbara.  Glad you're going to do it,  Fig.




Grampster, in another, earlier post, Stand_watie mentioned that you were a good marriage counselor.

From your post above, I can see why he said that.

And Grampster is exactly right:  fantasies of a new prince charming aside, whatever blind spots about communicating (or anything else) she has in this marriage, she will only bring them with her if she seeks elsewhere.

They'll come up again, or, something that doesn't come up in this marriage will.

And who know what the new prince would bring with him?

Usually best to work it out with the one you got now.


Somebody has a great sig line on one of the gun boards: "Wherever you go -- there you are."



Fig, the very best to you and your wife.



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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2005, 11:53:44 AM »
matis,  
Thanks and Shalom.

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2005, 01:38:17 PM »
Shalom, Fig.


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