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SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
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(03-11) 17:50 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- Leaders of San Francisco's police officers union have accused Weather Underground co-founder Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, of taking part in the 1970 bombing of a city police station that killed a sergeant.The union leveled the charge in a letter to a conservative organization lobbying for arrests in the case, but said it had not been in contact with investigators and had no new evidence related to the bombing, which killed Sgt. Brian McDonnell.

Instead, the union cited information from a former Bay Area resident, Larry Grathwohl, who is working with the conservative group, America's Survival Inc. of Maryland. Grathwohl asserts that he infiltrated the Weather Underground as an FBI informant and heard Ayers confess to a role in the bombing.

Ayers has denied any involvement in the bombing and, in January, called Grathwohl a "paid dishonest person" in an interview with The Chronicle.

The union's accusation surprised some authorities. According to a source familiar with the probe, who spoke on condition of anonymity, investigators have found no evidence that links the Weather Underground to the bombing.

America's Survival is planning to hold a press conference today at the National Press Club in Washington to discuss the case and the union's letter.

"There are irrefutable and compelling reasons to believe that Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn ... are largely responsible for the bombing of Park Police Station," the letter says.

The letter, dated Feb. 24, is signed by union President Gary Delagnes, Vice President Kevin Martin, Secretary Tony Montoya, Treasurer Martin Halloran and Sergeant at Arms Christopher Breen.

Ayers, an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, did not return a call Wednesday. Dohrn, a law professor at Northwestern University, was out of the country.

Martin said he wrote the letter after he was contacted a few weeks ago by Cliff Kincaid, the nonprofit group's president. Martin said he trusted Grathwohl, a Cincinnati resident who once lived in Castro Valley.

"It's coming directly from a person who had close, confidential conversations with Ayers and members of the Weather Underground," Martin said. "We have no reason to doubt his assertions."

Martin said the union wanted to "bring this case to attention, especially because Bill Ayers has been on a speaking tour. His actions have elicited this type of response."

The attack happened Feb. 16, 1970, when a bomb placed on a window ledge of Park Station at Waller Street and Kezar Drive killed McDonnell and injured eight other officers. The case got attention two years ago when prosecutors charged a group of alleged former Black Liberation Army members in the 1971 shooting at the Ingleside Station that killed Sgt. John Young.

A grand jury that investigated the Ingleside case in 2005 also looked at the Park Station bombing, but the results of the probe were not released. No one has ever been charged with McDonnell's death.

Grathwohl said Wednesday that he infiltrated the Weather Underground in late 1969, first at the urging of Cincinnati police and then at the direction of the FBI.

He said that in early 1970, Ayers visited him and other operatives in Buffalo, N.Y., and said Dohrn had been forced to plant the bomb at Park Station because others weren't active enough in committing violence. Ayers also knew the composition of the bomb and where it had been set, Grathwohl said.

The Weather Underground took responsibility for bombing the Pentagon and other buildings in the 1970s. Ayers and Dohrn were indicted in 1970 after a bomb blast killed three members in a New York City townhouse. Charges were later dropped because of misconduct by investigators.

Ayers became a lightning rod for conservatives during last year's presidential campaign, as some faulted Barack Obama for the two men's ties in Chicago education circles.

In addition to running America's Survival, Kincaid is the editor of a conservative organization called Accuracy in Media. He has attempted to link Obama to communism and socialism.

He also has views that might be considered extreme in San Francisco, such as calling for a "quit gay sex" campaign. "It appears that the homosexual lifestyle is as addictive as smoking," he once wrote.

Kincaid said he was not going after Ayers to hurt Obama, but added, "We are concerned that we now have an attorney general who was involved in Clinton administration pardons of members of the Weather Underground."

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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2009, 10:12:07 AM »
This will go nowhere. Ayres has friends in high places, and the press will refuse to run with the story.

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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2009, 10:19:42 AM »
This will go nowhere. Ayres has friends in high places, and the press will refuse to run with the story.

That's what I'm thinking, too. When the Obama droids happily excused Obama's involvement with Ayers during the election with some ridiculous excuses...

I was seriously wandering, as ridiculous as it sounds, if Obama was going to appoint his buddy Ayers to a cabinet position.


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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2009, 11:21:09 AM »
It may go nowhere, true, but it adds to the growing corpus of circumstantial evidence that will eventually indict the entire Obama administration.
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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2009, 11:34:06 AM »
Until it does bring an indictment against the Obama presidency, this isn't politics.
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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2009, 12:33:28 PM »
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Instead, the union cited information from a former Bay Area resident, Larry Grathwohl, who is working with the conservative group, America's Survival Inc. of Maryland. Grathwohl asserts that he infiltrated the Weather Underground as an FBI informant and heard Ayers confess to a role in the bombing.

Looks like just another vast Right Wing conspiracy (of which I am a proud member)  ;)

This will go nowhere. Ayres has friends in high places, and the press will refuse to run with the story.

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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2009, 12:41:24 PM »
Oh great your almost 40 year late. Seriously, why is this coming out now?

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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2009, 12:52:51 PM »
Oh great your almost 40 year late. Seriously, why is this coming out now?

no statute of limitations on murder.  and since they both skated and laughed about it it might be fun too watch
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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2009, 01:11:20 PM »
No of course theirs no statute of limitations, but why now? Why would you sit on something like this for almost 40 years, thats the only thing I dont understand.

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no new evidence related to the bombing, which killed Sgt. Brian McDonnell.

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Larry Grathwohl, who is working with the conservative group, America's Survival Inc. of Maryland. Grathwohl asserts that he infiltrated the Weather Underground as an FBI informant and heard Ayers confess to a role in the bombing.

Ok so this is all based off one guy that happens to be a conservative, saying that Ayers confessed to a role in the bombing. When did he confess this? Last month, last year, 30 years ago? Why is Mr. Grathwohl coming out now with this and not when Mr. Ayers was all over the news before the election?

I'd just like to see some actual evidence and not a 30 year old "new" informant. If he was being directed by the Police and the FBI why did they drop the ball on this for 30 years?

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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2009, 01:25:28 PM »
No of course theirs no statute of limitations, but why now? Why would you sit on something like this for almost 40 years, thats the only thing I dont understand.

Because nobody of any importance was connected to Ayers.
Nobody in main stream America had ever heard of Ayers.
Murder is serious business but bringing up one that happened over 40 years ago and may have been perpetrated by Ayers was not important.

And unless you lived in Chicago or IL until a few years ago no one had heard of obama or cared if they had.

Obama is now President of the USA.
He is connected to Ayers in a meaningful way.
It is now important that Ayers may be a murderer.

Which...

Is why it is being brought up now!

And then again it could just be politics.  :O

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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2009, 02:35:41 PM »
my guess is that the FBI told him to not talk about the case since they never were able to pin it on ayers, and it would make them look bad to know who was responsible for such a crime and not be able to get the guy. the guy may well be at a point in his life where he feels the need to unburden his soul. he probably went to a conservative group like this because the MSM just will not publish anything unflattering about a scion of one of the most corrupt political mafias ever.
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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2009, 04:12:25 PM »
Looks like just another vast Right Wing conspiracy (of which I am a proud member)  ;)

It doesn't appear to be vast at all - it looks to me like Cliff Kincaid getting publicity for a press conference.

The union leveled the charge in a letter to a conservative organization lobbying for arrests in the case,
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the union cited information from a former Bay Area resident, Larry Grathwohl, who is working with the conservative group, America's Survival Inc. of Maryland.
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The letter, dated Feb. 24, is signed by union President Gary Delagnes, Vice President Kevin Martin, Secretary Tony Montoya, Treasurer Martin Halloran and Sergeant at Arms Christopher Breen.
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Martin said he wrote the letter after he was contacted a few weeks ago by Cliff Kincaid, the nonprofit group's president.
So Cliff Kincaid contacted Kevin Martin who then wrote a letter back to America's Survival (which Kincaid is president of) citing Larry Grathwohl (who is working with America's Survival) accusing Ayers of the bombing (which also happens to be what America's Survival says!) Then they call a press conference to discuss it.

I would think if they were serious about this they might do more than write letters back and forth to each other and hold a press conference.

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Re: SF police officers Union accuses Obama pal Ayers in officers murder!
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