Author Topic: A nuked/wiped HDD, vs. a reformatted HDD. What's the difference?  (Read 6173 times)

Brad Johnson

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18,143
  • Witty, charming, handsome, and completely insane.
Re: A nuked/wiped HDD, vs. a reformatted HDD. What's the difference?
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2009, 11:29:00 AM »
Which would leave 99% or more of the data restorable by a competent restoration service.

If memory serves, the MS-DOS format command overwrote every sector, killing any intact data and restoring the drive to zero-state status.  I think that changed with the advent of a DOS client within Windows.  My guess would be it was to save time as drives became larger and larger.

Brad
It's all about the pancakes, people.
"And he thought cops wouldn't chase... a STOLEN DONUT TRUCK???? That would be like Willie Nelson ignoring a pickup full of weed."
-HankB

Firethorn

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,789
  • Where'd my explosive space modulator go?
Re: A nuked/wiped HDD, vs. a reformatted HDD. What's the difference?
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2009, 04:07:12 PM »
If memory serves, the MS-DOS format command overwrote every sector, killing any intact data and restoring the drive to zero-state status.  I think that changed with the advent of a DOS client within Windows.  My guess would be it was to save time as drives became larger and larger.

Your memory is incorrect.  Even back then, most formats are 'quick' by default - only deleting the file tables.  The data was still fully intact.  Even a 'FULL' format only redoes the formating - redoing the markers and such for file placement.  Thing is, the markers tend to go where the old markers were.

It takes an actually 'wipe' program to overwrite EVERYTHING, though copying large files multiple times can also do a decent job(IE you copy said non-sensitive file until the HD is full, delete them all and start again).

Brad Johnson

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18,143
  • Witty, charming, handsome, and completely insane.
Re: A nuked/wiped HDD, vs. a reformatted HDD. What's the difference?
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2009, 04:43:29 PM »
(IE you copy said non-sensitive file until the HD is full, delete them all and start again).

But what if the file is sensitive and gets its feeling hurt? :laugh:

Brad
It's all about the pancakes, people.
"And he thought cops wouldn't chase... a STOLEN DONUT TRUCK???? That would be like Willie Nelson ignoring a pickup full of weed."
-HankB

Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas

  • Webley Juggler
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4,415
  • All I got is a fistful of shekels
Re: A nuked/wiped HDD, vs. a reformatted HDD. What's the difference?
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2009, 04:54:54 PM »
But what if the file is sensitive and gets its feeling hurt? :laugh:

Brad
Not my problem. The file should've used Preparation H.

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,539
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: A nuked/wiped HDD, vs. a reformatted HDD. What's the difference?
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2009, 04:57:25 PM »
Operation Yukify fistful Post's strikes again. 
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

Hawkmoon

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 27,411
Re: A nuked/wiped HDD, vs. a reformatted HDD. What's the difference?
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2009, 06:31:58 PM »
DoD (Department of Defense) Wipe is what we're looking for. Secure enough to fend of even the average hacker. Lots of freeware utilities out there for doing it.

http://dod-wipe.qarchive.org/
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
100% Politically Incorrect by Design

Phyphor

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,332
Re: A nuked/wiped HDD, vs. a reformatted HDD. What's the difference?
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2009, 12:45:54 AM »
Writing 0 to every track and sector, including the Boot Sector and Partition Table is much more secure than a simple "Format C:".

Short of degaussing, that's your best bet to ensure a clean hard drive. 

Heh, You could totally waste a all the data on a HD in MS-DOS with a simple batch file.

@echo off
:begin
echo BLABLABLABLABLA > crap.txt
goto begin


You could do a little more trickery and make it actually echo 'real' zeros to the file, but for the most part, just overwriting everything with garbage was good enough.

(Not for a government standard wipe, but who the hell cares?)

"You know what's messed-up about taxes?
You don't even pay taxes. They take tax.
You get your check, money gone.
That ain't a payment, that's a jack." - Chris Rock "Bigger and Blacker"
He slapped his rifle. "This is one of the best arguments for peace there is. Nobody wants to shoot if somebody is going to shoot back. " Callaghen, Callaghen, Louis La'mour