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Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« on: May 21, 2009, 12:37:34 PM »
Y'all might recall that last year about this time our 10YO male German Shorthaired Pointer (GSP) named Ten died.  We didn't replace him, as my wife was in nursing school.

Well, Friday I took off work and the whole family (minus Misty, the female GSP) to drive to almost-stinking Baton Rouge to pick up Max, an 8 week old Doberman.







The images are pretty awful, as he is almost always moving or it is late and he is sleeping.  I will have to recruit my wife to tackle and hold him still for a time long enough to enable the autofocus to work.

We got him from a breeder/dog trainer that specializes in shutzhund, protection dogs, etc.  His Dobermans are usually euro or euro/American mix dogs. Outward appearance is somewhat thicker than the usual AKC Doberman and temperament is considered much more important than appearance.

They had several males available and we went with the cheapest, which to the breeder meant the one least likely to do well in AKC shows or shutzhund competition.  We had a somewhat different set of criteria, foremost being the dog's comfort level around the kids (4YO boy & 3YO girl).  The two best according to our criteria were the cheapest (who went on to become Max) and the pick of the litter who was 2x Max's price. 

Well, I doubt I'll have the time to become competitive at shutzhund, but he has shown already that he is quite willing to be trained and wants to please us.  It took all of five minutes to get him to respond to "sit." 

The kids already love the stuffing out of him and are pretty good with him, once I laid down the law that there is to be no picking up of Max by them and nobody plays "knight" with Max (knight=plastic pretend sword fight).  Max eats up their attention and is very keen to play "chase" through the back yard.  They play outside until all three are tuckered and then go inside to lay down on the couch on watch Flipper on hulu.com.

We'll get his tail docked and his dewclaws removed when we get him neutered, in the 7-12month time frame.  I see no need to do them right now and expose him to anesthesia between now & when he is larger and can tolerate anesthesia (or at least variations in its application) better.

The breeder is not a PETA-freak who is against altering critters, but wants to leave all that to the owners before the 12-week mark (after which he has tail, ears, and dewclaws done because you can't successfully do the clipped ears after 12 weeks).  He is all in favor of docking the tail and nipping the dewclaws, as he has seen them get tore up with great frequency.  He is of the opinion that clipping the ears is useful only for intimidation purposes and counsels against it if overt visual intimidation is not a desired attribute.

Misty, our 6YO female GSP is not nearly as welcoming to him has Ten was to her as a pup.  She growls and puts Max in his place when he starts to annoy her by, say, stalking her and ambushing her by jumping on her head.

I am glad we have another dog in the house, even if a puppy is just as bad as an infant in the "sometimes hard to get to sleep" and "gotta get up and deal with bodily functions twice at night" department.  In Max's case, to take him in the back yard to poop & pee.
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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 12:47:04 PM »
You may want to talk to your vet about doing the dew clays and tail now instead of later. Normally those are done 2-3 days after birth because the pups nervous system is still underdevelped and they don't feel pain. When the dog gets older removing the dew claw would be like having your finger cut off.

Nice looking pup!
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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2009, 01:12:18 PM »
He's a cute little monkey.

Why would you want to dock the tail?  I think the little whiplash is cute.  What's the gain to doing it?
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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2009, 01:21:05 PM »
He's a cute little monkey.

Why would you want to dock the tail?  I think the little whiplash is cute.  What's the gain to doing it?

Dogs tails were historically docked to prevent injury to the tail. A dog like a Doberman or a GSP have thin tails with short hair, easily injured. Tails have poor blood supply and take a long time to recover from injury, sometimes it leads to amputation. Dogs like Labradors or Settles have thick tails and lots of thick hair so their tails aren't prone to injury.
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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 01:24:00 PM »
The wife and I are looking for a house to buy (stupid apt won't let us have dogs).  As soon as we're unpacked, we're going to go get a Doberman.  I had a dobie growing up, and I loved her to death.  Probably the smartest dog I've ever seen.  And yes, we'll be getting her trained (wife's prerogative, she doesn't want a male dog) to be not only a good family companion dog, but also as a good guard dog.  

My preference has always been to get a Fila (Brazilian Mastiff) but the wife put the kybosh on that one right off the bat.  She doesn't want a big dog, and the Fila is solidly in the big dog category....  You have to get them young though, because they imprint on the family.  Anything and anyone not "family" falls into the category "food/chew toy"....
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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 03:02:33 PM »
Wow, return of the Doberman gang...  Ok, just so long as you don't rob a bank with them... =D
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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 03:13:41 PM »
Wow, return of the Doberman gang...  Ok, just so long as you don't rob a bank with them... =D

No, Max is very much a classical liberal and takes his cue not from outlaws, but from his predecessors who fought for freedom against vile tyranny:
http://worldwar2history.info/Marines/dogs.html
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7109/wardogs2.html
http://www.vet.utk.edu/wardog/
http://www.uswardogs.org/id187.html

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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 03:59:55 PM »
Dogs tails were historically docked to prevent injury to the tail. 


...during hunting or combat.  There is no relevant environmental or medicalal reason for docking and peaking if the dog is to be a family pet.  The only reason these days is purely aesthetic.

There's an unaltered doby that lives up the street.  He was a puppy rescue.  Nice critter and smart as a whip.  Personally I like the natural look better than the traditional.

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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 06:15:50 PM »
My preference has always been to get a Fila (Brazilian Mastiff) but the wife put the kybosh on that one right off the bat.  She doesn't want a big dog, and the Fila is solidly in the big dog category....  You have to get them young though, because they imprint on the family.  Anything and anyone not "family" falls into the category "food/chew toy"....

Not just big, but with a rather sharp temperament!! VERY VERY VERY VERY protective. Too many other big dogs with sweet temperaments; don't go down the Fila path.
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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 06:23:23 PM »
Congrats on the new pup!  I am a little more than green with envy. 
I'm not a fan of the natural look, and if he's inside at all you'll appreciate the coffee table not being cleared by his overly enthusiastic tail.  The ears certainly look sharper done correctly too.
Whatever you decide, I hope you have many great years of enjoyment with him!

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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 09:15:35 PM »
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Normally those are done 2-3 days after birth because the pups nervous system is still underdevelped and they don't feel pain. When the dog gets older removing the dew claw would be like having your finger cut off.

I was wondering about that. I do approve of the uncut ears, however. Our two South African Dobes were like that. Gives a little "hound dawg" look to them as well. Speaking of which, if your Dobie has strong "predator instinct," and it sounds like he does, you may want to try him out in tracking. It requires minimal training, they love it, and it's fun to watch.

Good choice on the temperament over looks as well. Just remember, Dobes can be extreme manipulative!
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Re: Max the Doberman: Our Newest Family Member
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2009, 11:28:12 AM »
Cute pup....I had a dobie 30 years ago.  I did not have the ears clipped.  I think they look much better that way.  The tail was already bobbed when I got her...chris3

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2009, 11:34:52 AM »
Not just big, but with a rather sharp temperament!! VERY VERY VERY VERY protective. Too many other big dogs with sweet temperaments; don't go down the Fila path.

Great Pyrenees are big and can be scary looking dogs with a heart of love. Well unless your a coyote or something.

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