Haredim clash with police in Jerusalem

[Hawkmoon]

I think it's perfectly ok to find the dress amusing.  Except when it's just really sad.  The latest on the ultra-Orthodox blogosphere in New Jersey:  Why a woman is absolutely wrong to be annoyed that a man she didn't know told her to get a longer skirt because the backs of her knee were showing.  General consensus was she should stop dressing like a whore and her husband is irresponsible for not berating her himself.  She should be grateful for such holy men who are willing to point out the error of her lustful ways.

Darned right!

And woe be unto any female who might deign to suggest that the holy man in question might have gazed lustfully at the indecorously displayed backs of said knees. No, one simply does not suggest such base motives with regard to such holy personages.

Does one?









Dirty old men are dirty old men and think dirty old man thoughts regardless of what they choose for headgear.

[MicroBalrog]

 Israel in 'Sabbath car park' row

Hundreds of ultra-orthodox Jews have clashed with police in Jerusalem for a third consecutive Saturday over a car park which opens on the Sabbath.

Police said the protesters, wearing traditional Hassidic clothing, threw stones and jumped in front of vehicles.

The Sabbath is observed by religious Jews as a day of rest, when working, driving and trading are forbidden.

The protesters say the municipal car park will attract tourists and encourage business on the holy day.

Protesters, praying and chanting "Shabbes" - the Yiddish word for Sabbath - gathered at a police cordon at the entrance to the car park, near Jerusalem's Old City.

Some lay in the road to prevent cars from entering.

"Hundreds of ultra-orthodox tried to overrun police barricades and threw stones at our men in several sectors of Jerusalem," police spokesman Schmuel Ben Rubi, told the AFP news agency .

He said there had been no injuries or arrests so far.

However, television footage showed people in religious clothing being moved by police or put into police cars.

One man who had crawled underneath the wheels of a stationary bus was reported to have been taken away by police.

There were also clashes in the nearby ultra-orthodox neighbourhood of Mea Shearim, where police had been deployed.

The car park was opened by the Jerusalem municipality last month to provide extra facilities for visitors to the city.

But the protesters are angry at what they see as a move which will "profane" the Sabbath.

The row has highlighted tensions between Jerusalem's ultra-orthodox Jews, known as Haredim, and the majority secular population.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/8146313.stm

Published: 2009/07/11 23:06:37 GMT

© BBC MMIX

[Viking]

The protesters say the municipal car park will attract tourists and encourage business on the holy day.

Because no matter the day, someone has to work to pay for the taxes that pay for what I've understood to be a life of mooching and idiocy from their part.

Some lay in the road to prevent cars from entering.

Drive over them. With a bulldozer. I'm of the opinion that it ought to be legal to deliberatly run over any idiot walking in the middle of the road, or in this case, lying in it behaving like obnoxious aholes.

"Hundreds of ultra-orthodox tried to overrun police barricades and threw stones at our men in several sectors of Jerusalem," police spokesman Schmuel Ben Rubi, told the AFP news agency .

Bad ultra-orthodox! Bad! Now see here, this is my baton. It is far harder than your cranium. Now get moving.

He said there had been no injuries or arrests so far.

That means that the police is being far too gracious. Shoulda used Sticky Foam guns to trap as many as possible for later arrest .

[MicroBalrog]

What the article omits is that all the actually respectable rabbis have come out in favor of the new parking lot.

[RevDisk]

What the article omits is that all the actually respectable rabbis have come out in favor of the new parking lot.

The moderates always get drown out by the nuts.  The nuts are always a few handfuls, but they scream the loudest so everyone pays attention to them.

[roo_ster]

Shoulda used Sticky Foam guns to trap as many as possible for later arrest give the bulldozers a chance to run them down. .

Altered to fit my preferences.

I really despise folks who use the moral code of others against them to do wrong and be obnoxious.  In this case, everyone else's aversion to taking life.

[MechAg94]

Can't the parking lot just be made free on the sabbath?  Then no one has to work.  Is driving considered work? 

[Stand_watie]

Can't the parking lot just be made free on the sabbath?  Then no one has to work.  Is driving considered work? 

     I think that technically it is, and was considered work as long as about 2,000 years ago.  I think this puts me and Microbalrog in a unique situation of agreement, in that (I think) he is a secularist and I am a "Fundy" in thinking,  regarding Jesus' question to the Pharisees, "is man created for the saabath, or was saabath created for man?"

[MicroBalrog]

Can't the parking lot just be made free on the sabbath?  Then no one has to work.  Is driving considered work? 

Driving is work. Watching television is work. Smoking [!] is work.

[Regolith]

Driving is work. Watching television is work. Smoking [!] is work.

I'll be sure to tell the next person who calls me a couch potato that.   

[freedom lover]

Bad ultra-orthodox! Bad! Now see here, this is my baton. It is far harder than your cranium. Now get moving.

Actually one's cranium is five times harder than even concrete, which is much than hardwoood. Tensile strength is another story.

[HankB]

Can't the parking lot just be made free on the sabbath?  Then no one has to work.  Is driving considered work?

I think that technically it is, and was considered work as long as about 2,000 years ago. 

Except 2000 years ago they were driving donkeys and such, rather than automobiles.

Some lay in the road to prevent cars from entering.

People laying down in the road can stop traffic? You must have small cars there - given their squishy nature, here in Texas that sort of thing wouldn't even qualify as a "speed bump."

Anyway, it seems to me that rioting, carrying rocks, and throwing them at others certainly is work, so these screwball Taliban wannabes are little more than violent hypocrites. 

[freedom lover]

Anyway, it seems to me that rioting, carrying rocks, and throwing them at others certainly is work, so these screwball Taliban wannabes are little more than violent hypocrites. 

God condones all work for the holy revolution that is to come.

[MechAg94]

Does anyone have a link explaining the why and what on those furry hats?  That is new to me. 

[roo_ster]

Protesters, praying and chanting "Shabbes" - the Yiddish word for Sabbath - gathered at a police cordon at the entrance to the car park, near Jerusalem's Old City.

WTF, over? 

You're Jewish.  You live in the effing Holy Land.  Speak Hebrew, for the love of Pete!

Leave the ghetto language in the ghetto. 

[BridgeRunner]

WTF, over? 

You're Jewish.  You live in the effing Holy Land.  Speak Hebrew, for the love of Pete!

Leave the ghetto language in the ghetto. 

Um, Shabbos is Hebrew.  It is a Northern European pronunciation.  Ashkenazim have been using that pronunciation for hundreds of years.  It's not at all accurate to say that shabbos/shabes is Yiddish.  It's arguably a Yiddish pronunciation of a Hebrew word.

[roo_ster]

Um, Shabbos is Hebrew.  It is a Northern European pronunciation.  Ashkenazim have been using that pronunciation for hundreds of years.  It's not at all accurate to say that shabbos/shabes is Yiddish.  It's arguably a Yiddish pronunciation of a Hebrew word.

Oh heck, its all Greek to me.

[MicroBalrog]

Strangely I've never heard a person calling it anything other than shabat, except for people talking in Yiddish. FWIW of course.

[Strings]

I usually just call it saturday, myself...

[RevDisk]

I usually just call it saturday, myself...

Heretic!   

[AJ Dual]

Heretic!   

Indeed!

Not to be taken lightly. We just had to burn out a family for being from a church in the wrong Presbeterian synod....

Or was it because they live in SE Wisconsin and didn't like Bratwurst? No, wait, I think it was because their son had purple Minnesota Vikings stuff in his bedroom.

No matter, good times. Really gave the community something to rally around. 

[BridgeRunner]

Strangely I've never heard a person calling it anything other than shabat, except for people talking in Yiddish. FWIW of course.

Zionist!  Follower of that heretic Ben Yehudah! 

The hassidic communities speak Yiddish as a vernacular and Hebrew as a holy language (whereas Aramaic is mostly a scholarly language these days).  They speak Hebrew with a yiddish accent.  The word is the same, the pronunciation varies.  But in a Hebrew context, American haredi types invariably pronounce it "shabbos" (or a close variant thereof).  All the references in Hebrew prayers and scriptures are to shabbos.  In Israel it's a little muddier bc of the broad spectrum ranging from people who refuse to use Hebrew for anything but strictly ritual uses to people who do exist in the world and speak Israeli Hebrew.  It is definitely a yiddishized pronunciation.  But for all Haredi communities in the US and for many in Israel, "shabbos" is definitely a Hebrew word, albeit a pronunciation very common among those who speak Yiddish.

[Strings]

Wow... Rev Disk plays Captain Obvious!

[Antibubba]

I can in no way be confused with a Chasid, and I say "Shabbos".  I do not say "emmes", however.