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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2009, 11:18:26 AM »
I find it ironic in the extreme that the idea of inflicting a horrible, painful death on someone is A-ok, but God forbid we should touch the corpse. ???
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2009, 11:23:37 AM »
I find it ironic in the extreme that the idea of inflicting a horrible, painful death on someone is A-ok, but God forbid we should touch the corpse. ???

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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2009, 12:02:00 PM »
I find it ironic in the extreme that the idea of inflicting a horrible, painful death on someone is A-ok, but God forbid we should touch the corpse. ???

I think the psycology of that comes down to a species survival instinct. Most animals have an instinct to avoid their own dead, or deal with them in certain prescribed ways.

- Excess or unecessary exposure to the dead is just an additional stressor in general. (reminds you of dying yourself)
- If it was a predator that killed one of your kind, it may return to the corpse to continue feeding, and kill you too.
- If it was disease, that disease may be transmitted to you by being in contact with the corpse.

Then in the case of Humanity, a cultural overlay on top of that with burial or disposal rites comes into play.

So messing with human remains takes on a very powerful significance. Disrespect of human remains sends a very powerful and violent "We don't give a #&@!*" message to enemies. Manipulation of remains in a more religious context, such as the various necropolises/bone cities of Europe can tap into the biological unease human remains cause in the living, and transform it into a moving religious experience etc...

IMO, the actual killing/maiming of another human being usually gets worked up into some sort of justification for your own survival, however thin it may be. (Look at German writings about "purity" and unwanted elements destroying the Reich from within etc. in the context of the Holocaust) However, once the deed is done, those other instincts take hold.
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2009, 12:07:40 PM »
I'm more interested in a steam engine that can run on any random biomass. That's impressive, I didn't think such an engine was available. Seems like a great alternative to a gas generator for farms or other places with lots of excess biomass.

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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2009, 06:06:57 PM »
Instead of destroying humanity, it might just displace us. Humans don't see it as "making war" on squirrels or ants when we cut down trees and dig foundations to build houses. Conversely, it may be easier for AI to simply fulfill every need of humanity to keep us out of the way.


Nope.....death and enslavement is far more efficient....think of the Borg....
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2009, 09:43:23 PM »
Nope.....death and enslavement is far more efficient....think of the Borg....

The Borg? Please... They're shades of BBC sci-fi production values.

Done realistically, or at least with some internally consistent logic to the story, they'd have rolled in on the Federation like a tsunami. Or even more pragmatically, they just record everything/everyone, and replicate their biological and cultural distinctiveness and add it to their own. etc.

With proper technological extrapolation (which Star Trek fails at miserably) species or AI's with some or all of the core technologies shown in the various Star Trek shows would have all zoomed off into the nearly omnipotent abstraction occupied by the likes of the "Q", or to cross fictional universes, the inscrutable monolith makers of 2001.
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2009, 01:03:59 AM »
I find it ironic in the extreme that the idea of inflicting a horrible, painful death on someone is A-ok, but God forbid we should touch the corpse. ???

Actually no, there are a limited number of cases in which "inflicting a horrible, painful death on someone is A-OK."  So long as people are not a threat to you, you're not allowed to hurt them.   And corpses aren't usually a threat.  Unless they're zombies. 
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2009, 01:20:19 AM »
Actually no, there are a limited number of cases in which "inflicting a horrible, painful death on someone is A-OK."  So long as people are not a threat to you, you're not allowed to hurt them.   And corpses aren't usually a threat.  Unless they're zombies. 

What about the threat that the bad guy's friends, the other bad guys, pose to me?
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2009, 03:27:50 PM »
Yes, those guys you can eat.  =)
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2009, 03:41:57 PM »
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2009, 03:46:22 PM »
Okay.. WHO are you on Arfcom?

Seriously...  Are you DocZox? :lol:




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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2009, 03:52:30 PM »
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2009, 04:41:57 PM »
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2009, 05:41:53 PM »
POMPANO BEACH, FL, July 17, 2009. In response to rumors circulating the internet on sites such as FoxNews.com, FastCompany.com and CNET News about a “flesh eating” robot project, Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (Pink Sheets: CYPW) and Robotic Technology Inc. (RTI) would like to set the record straight: This robot is strictly vegetarian.
On July 7, Cyclone announced that it had completed the first stage of development for a beta biomass engine system used to power RTI’s Energetically Autonomous Tactical Robot (EATRâ„¢), a Phase II SBIR project sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), Defense Sciences Office. RTI’s EATR is an autonomous robotic platform able to perform long-range, long-endurance missions without the need for manual or conventional re-fueling.
RTI’s patent pending robotic system will be able to find, ingest and extract energy from biomass in the environment. Despite the far-reaching reports that this includes “human bodies,” the public should be assured that the engine Cyclone has developed to power the EATR runs on fuel no scarier than twigs, grass clippings and wood chips – small, plant-based items for which RTI’s robotic technology is designed to forage. Desecration of the dead is a war crime under Article 15 of the Geneva Conventions, and is certainly not something sanctioned by DARPA, Cyclone or RTI.
“We certainly understand the public’s concern about futuristic robots feeding on the human population, but that is not our mission,” stated Harry Schoell, Cyclone’s CEO. “We are focused on demonstrating that our engines can create usable, green power from plentiful, renewable plant matter. The commercial applications alone for this earth-friendly energy solution are enormous.”
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2009, 06:28:30 PM »




Isn't PA in the eastern time zone?
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2009, 06:59:29 PM »
its an enigma wrapped in a conundrum and sprinkled with sweet sarcasm
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2009, 07:11:34 PM »
POMPANO BEACH, FL, July 17, 2009. In response to rumors circulating the internet on sites such as FoxNews.com, FastCompany.com and CNET News about a “flesh eating” robot project, Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (Pink Sheets: CYPW) and Robotic Technology Inc. (RTI) would like to set the record straight: This robot is strictly vegetarian.
On July 7, Cyclone announced that it had completed the first stage of development for a beta biomass engine system used to power RTI’s Energetically Autonomous Tactical Robot (EATRâ„¢), a Phase II SBIR project sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), Defense Sciences Office. RTI’s EATR is an autonomous robotic platform able to perform long-range, long-endurance missions without the need for manual or conventional re-fueling.
RTI’s patent pending robotic system will be able to find, ingest and extract energy from biomass in the environment. Despite the far-reaching reports that this includes “human bodies,” the public should be assured that the engine Cyclone has developed to power the EATR runs on fuel no scarier than twigs, grass clippings and wood chips – small, plant-based items for which RTI’s robotic technology is designed to forage. Desecration of the dead is a war crime under Article 15 of the Geneva Conventions, and is certainly not something sanctioned by DARPA, Cyclone or RTI.
“We certainly understand the public’s concern about futuristic robots feeding on the human population, but that is not our mission,” stated Harry Schoell, Cyclone’s CEO. “We are focused on demonstrating that our engines can create usable, green power from plentiful, renewable plant matter. The commercial applications alone for this earth-friendly energy solution are enormous.”

Translation: Move along citizen. Nothing to see here.   :police:

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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2009, 08:29:45 PM »
Translation: Move along citizen. Nothing to see here.   :police:

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Article 15 is actually:

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Article 15

Any Party to the conflict may, either direct or through a neutral State or some humanitarian organization, propose to the adverse Party to establish, in the regions where fighting is taking place, neutralized zones intended to shelter from the effects of war the following persons, without distinction:

    * wounded and sick combatants or non-combatants;
    * civilian persons who take no part in hostilities, and who, while they reside in the zones, perform no work of a military character.

When the Parties concerned have agreed upon the geographical position, administration, food supply and supervision of the proposed neutralized zone, a written agreement shall be concluded and signed by the representatives of the Parties to the conflict. The agreement shall fix the beginning and the duration of the neutralization of the zone.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Article_15

It does raise the question though - have man-eating warbots ever been the subject of international legislation / arms control?  And if not, why not?

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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2009, 08:48:16 PM »
Okay.. WHO are you on Arfcom?

Seriously...  Are you DocZox? :lol:






Considering that Doc_Zox has a picture of Harold Tuttle as part of his Avatar, it is obvious that person on Arfcom is undoubtly, Brad Johnson. 
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2009, 09:40:44 PM »

Isn't PA in the eastern time zone?

It was my time display on both forums, set to CST.

Considering that Doc_Zox has a picture of Harold Tuttle as part of his Avatar, it is obvious that person on Arfcom is undoubtly, Brad Johnson. 

I got that connection as well, I just thought it was funnier I was such a gun-forum addict that I was flipping between Arfcom/APS so quickly looking for fresh posts I caught it in temporal terms.  =D
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2009, 09:44:02 PM »
Yes, those guys you can eat.  =)

My logic is like this.

If the robot kills the bad guy and eats him, and then the other bad guys get scared and stop attacking me, then it's a win-win for everybody. Sort of like people used to wrap the bodies of dead Fillipino Muslim insurgents in pig-skins before burying them.
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2009, 10:13:25 PM »
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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2009, 06:31:24 AM »
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POMPANO BEACH, FL, July 17, 2009. In response to rumors circulating the internet on sites such as FoxNews.com, FastCompany.com and CNET News about a “flesh eating” robot project, Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (Pink Sheets: CYPW) and Robotic Technology Inc. (RTI) would like to set the record straight: This robot is strictly vegetarian.

Sure.....because there's so much abundant vegetation available in Iraq and Afghanistan.....and we can trust our robot overlords....

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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2009, 09:11:49 AM »
heck there wasn't much vegetation left along the WWI trench line...

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Re: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies
« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2009, 12:21:03 AM »
My logic is like this.

If the robot kills the bad guy and eats him, and then the other bad guys get scared and stop attacking me, then it's a win-win for everybody. Sort of like people used to wrap the bodies of dead Fillipino Muslim insurgents in pig-skins before burying them.


I see your point.  But do recall that we're in the "We must respect the customs of the Muslim world" phase right now. 
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