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Good podcast on prepper vs self sufficient survivalists
« on: September 07, 2009, 10:35:49 AM »
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/prepper-vs-self-sufficient

Jump to 8:45 to avoid the political or housecleaning stuff.  It doesn't pertain to the message.

The podcast discusses the difference between the two and why you might be one or the other. 

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Re: Good podcast on prepper vs self sufficient survivalists
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 12:05:19 PM »
Interesting. Agree with some of his points, disagree with others. I'm definitely a combo of the two.

During Y2K, I really expected a few days to a few weeks of infrastructure disruptions, like rolling blackouts, transportation and service delivery delays, and telecommunications foul ups that would interrupt stuff like credit card transactions. So above and beyond what I usually keep on hand for disaster preparedness, I bought extra food, water and drinks; prepped for temporary loss of electricity; filled up the vehicle gas tanks; and had extra cash on hand to pay for stuff with cash if credit cards weren't working. Puts me squarely in the "Prepper" camp.

On the other hand, I do believe in being able to get by without relying on government and commercial infrastructure, but not to the extent of the podcast author. I think being able to do things like grow your own sustainable food is great (given of course you have the land and climate to do it). I've also always been a big fan of alternative energy for home use to supplement or even sell back grid energy.

He loses me a bit though on his overall philosophy on this. To me, the self-sufficiency is kind of a last resort strategy. Do I think it's a good idea to have the choice and ability of not needing infrastructure? Absolutely. Do I want to completely live this way? Only if I have to. I LIKE stuff like being able to fly around for vacations, having the Internet, having the Interstate system, all the air conditioning I want in the Summer, the frozen food section of my grocers, etc. Full self-sufficiency means being happy living in some combination of 19th and 20th Century tech. I could do it, but again, if I don't have to, I like being able to order a pizza on my computer at 11PM if I want to, as long as "indulgence" services like that are available.

He certainly makes it clear that self-sufficiency to him is having the choice to use or not use infrastructure, but he loses me in some areas. As an example, Doctors and medicine. He seems pretty big on "homegrown" medicine and medical knowledge, and using that for other than specialized and out of the ordinary procedures. But there's a lot of good to be said of modern preventative medicine. Given that my dad had prostate cancer, I really like being able to get a PSA test and prostate exam (well, not so much that part) to catch any sign of potential cancer early. Kinda hard to do preventative stuff like blood labs at home. When he mentions people got by without that technology for thousands of years and have still lived into their seventies, he neglects to mention all the people who died early or in infancy, or even just needlessly suffered pains that a shot in the arm cures now, all due to lack of modern medicine.

So I guess I lean a bit more towards being a "Prepper" than self-sufficiency. I'm quite well prepared for short term emergencies, and also somewhat self-sufficient and could easily and comfortably be more so, but only if I need to.
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Re: Good podcast on prepper vs self sufficient survivalists
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 10:40:41 AM »
Totally missed your reply.

Yeah, he takes it a bit further than I would, but he does present some good info.

I'm more self-sufficient minded than prepper, but even if I could live off the grid and grow/raise my own food, I wouldn't live that way.  My ideal would be to have everything in place and live partially self-sufficient, but still use those services that I either can't provide or find easier to buy (Internet, medical, many foodstuffs, etc). 

My ideal would be to move back to SW Va, buy 10-100 acres in the mountains, build an energy efficient house with multiple means of heating (wood stove, gas furnace, etc), install a permanently attached genset, solar panels, etc.  I'd still be on the grid per se, but would barely notice if the grid power went out.  I'd also like to have a well or cistern in addition to "city" water (if available).  I'd give his "permaculture" style of gardening a try and maybe have some goats and chickens on the property.  I don't want to provide all of my food, but I do love growing/harvesting at least some of my own.

I wouldn't live a primitive lifestyle and I wouldn't go without any of the creature comforts I have now, but if the power went out or we got snowed in, I lost my job, etc, it wouldn't be a huge problem.

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Re: Good podcast on prepper vs self sufficient survivalists
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2009, 07:35:46 PM »
That sounds like a good plan. Frankly, I'd currently lean more towards "self--sufficient" rather than "prepper" if I didn't live in a condo in the city. When I retire, if I don't move onto the family farm, my plan is similar to yours.

I keep trying to get my folks to get more self-sufficient on the farm "off the power grid"-wise. The best I've been able to do is to get my dad to get a backup generator large enough to run their house water well, which is really more of "prep". Solar would really work well there 2/3 of the year, but he's too cheap to drop the ducats.

They're really good about self-sufficiency otherwise, having both been raised on small farms in Europe during the war, sans electricity and other niceties. They were preserving foods, making soap, etc. when they were just kids, and continue using a lot of those skills today.
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