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Jocassee

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God and the Guide
« on: September 15, 2009, 03:39:56 PM »
NOTE:For the record, the movie has almost nothing to do with the book.

I believe the Guide is at its root a work of philosphy. It is sarcastic, absurd, irreverent, random, and contradictory, but also philosophical.

The Guide is liberally sprinkled with references to God, to the point of making me certain that Adams was not an atheist (perhaps agnostic?) I will take what I believe are the most significant references plus an overall look at the book and try to deduce its message.

First, the babelfish. I believe the babelfish is Adams' take on the "irreducible complexity" argument, a creature that is so specialized and complex that it could not have possibly evolved. The irony in the book is that this fact is not only used by the religious but also by the evolutionists to prove that God does not exist. (I believe Adams is poking fun of the evolutionists here.)
This item seems to indicate that the Universe is too complex to have come about by itself, ex nihilo.

On the other hand you have an episode toward the end of the book, where a few of the main characters arrive on a distant planet to view the highly publicized "God's last message to the Universe," written on the side of a mountain visible from a scenic overlook.

The characters peer through a set of pay-per-minute binoculars at the distant words but are only able to see:

"SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE"

This episode, combined with the sheer amount of randomness in the rest of the book, ending in the same way it began through a literally impossible set of circumstances, make me think that Adams views the Universe as a complex vessel with no-one's hand on the tiller.

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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 03:41:48 PM »
My review:

I lol'd
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 03:48:26 PM »
Hitchhiker's Guide is every bit as relevant a literary tome as The Illuminatus Trilogy.

Meaning:  neither are terribly notable works in the pantheon of western literature.

Both are plays at absurdity.  Great lazy sunday afternoon reads, but nothing to start using as a philosophical base to re-arrange your life priorities.

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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 03:50:25 PM »
God is quantum, IMO. Because of the state of probability of nothingness versus the improbability of somethingness combined with uncertainty leaves the nature of God to be ambiguous.

I could explain it better with math. Seriously.
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 03:52:19 PM »
Hitchhiker's Guide is every bit as relevant a literary tome as The Illuminatus Trilogy.

Meaning:  neither are terribly notable works in the pantheon of western literature.

Both are plays at absurdity.  Great lazy sunday afternoon reads, but nothing to start using as a philosophical base to re-arrange your life priorities.



Cut it out with them negative waves!

If it was only a play at absurdity it was an awfully long (though intriguing) one. I refuse to let my analysis die so easily! Though there was enough stupidity in it, there was enough social and political commentary to give it more weight that your typical sci-fi.
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 04:05:24 PM »
Cut it out with them negative waves!

If it was only a play at absurdity it was an awfully long (though intriguing) one. I refuse to let my analysis die so easily! Though there was enough stupidity in it, there was enough social and political commentary to give it more weight that your typical sci-fi.

These guys are all contemporaries of Vonnegut and heavily influenced by him.

Lots of dark sarcasm mixed in with recreational drug use.  Makes for fun literature, but not terribly meaningful.

After all, "42" is merely the age of Adams when his first child was born.  He could have chosen "1967" (as a year), "8" (as a month), or "19" (as a day) or any number of odd variables for the secret to life and everythingTM and had the book turn out the same.
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 04:25:56 PM »
These guys are all contemporaries of Vonnegut and heavily influenced by him.

Lots of dark sarcasm mixed in with recreational drug use.  Makes for fun literature, but not terribly meaningful.

After all, "42" is merely the age of Adams when his first child was born.  He could have chosen "1967" (as a year), "8" (as a month), or "19" (as a day) or any number of odd variables for the secret to life and everythingTM and had the book turn out the same.

Well I wasn't reading that deeply into it...

Are Heinlein, Vonnegut, and Adams all in the same school?

*off to google Vonnegut*
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 04:31:28 PM »
I'd stick Heinlein in with his sci-fi contemporaries:  Clarke, Niven, Pournelle.

Adams belongs with the "weirdos."  I don't consider Hitchhiker to be sci-fi, really.  No science, for one.  It's just a silly adventure.  Really has more in common with Through the Looking Glass than any given sci-fi title.
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 04:34:53 PM »
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I didn't care one whit for the book and will not waste my time with the movie.

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"SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE"

Kind of summed up the book for me.
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 06:14:07 PM »
I didn't care one whit for the book and will not waste my time with the movie.

Kind of summed up the book for me.

ok, but 'dont panic' is as good a suggestion for dealing with life as anything out there.

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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 09:15:11 PM »
I sometimes wonder if there aren't Vogon poets masquerading as APS members. 
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 11:20:09 PM »
I sometimes wonder if there aren't Vogon poets masquerading as APS members. 

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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 11:22:51 PM »
Great lazy sunday afternoon reads, but nothing to start using as a philosophical base to re-arrange your life priorities. 

What?    :O

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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 11:26:34 PM »
I sometimes wonder if there aren't Vogon poets masquerading as APS members. 

Some days I think we've elected Vogons.
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 11:44:38 PM »
I thought the Vogons were supposed to be satire against government bureaucrats.

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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2009, 08:20:05 AM »
I thought the Vogons were supposed to be satire against government bureaucrats.

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That's how you know you're in trouble--when your elected officials are characters from an Adams story.
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2009, 08:22:00 AM »
I thought the Vogons were supposed to be satire against government bureaucrats.

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What do you mean, satire?  =|

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2009, 08:41:16 AM »
That's how you know you're in trouble--when your elected officials are characters from an Adams story.

Bureaucrats are not elected officials.  If possible, they are worse.   :O
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Re: God and the Guide
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2009, 11:20:06 AM »
I think Kanye might be a Vogon.  That's why he uses autotune and sampled Daft Punk beats to soften the blow. 
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