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Realtors and MLS?
« on: September 17, 2009, 11:43:25 PM »
This is probably too early to be thinking about such things, but I'm curious about whether you need a realtor to have your home listed on the MLS.

I'd really like to go without a realtor if possible, although with the market the way it is, that may not be possible to do, even next spring. I just hate the idea of paying $12,000+ in commissions. We sold our last house, and bought our current one, using just our attorney to draft the paperwork.

If being listed on MLS requires a realtor, does it require that a realtor handle the calls, or can they go to the home owners?

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Re: Realtors and MLS?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 08:58:17 AM »
The exact rules for the MLS system vary by system. it's usually regionally controlled, not one national system.

I can tell you what the situation in Ohio was when I  was selling my house there. You had to have a realtor list the property in MLS. The deal you worked out with the realtor was up to you and them. There were a few realtors who would list houses for a fixed rate, a few hundred dollars usually, and you'd have to do everything else. In this case, the houses would still be shown by the buyer's agent, and you'd still pay a comission to the buyers agent when it sold (usually 3 or 3.5%, per the listing agreement).
 
When I was buying, I looked at a couple homes listed by these people, one went seamlessly, my agent had no problem getting an appointment, the house showed well. On the other, the agent couldn't get a hold of the homeowner, eventually got a last minute appointment set up, the homeowners were home when she showed it which was very akward, and they even warned us to watch out for dog poop upstairs!. Needless to say I spent about 2 minutes in that house.

When I was selling I tried FSBO initially but then listed with a full service realtor. It worked out well because I ended up moving out of the area before the house sold so she handled everything. Luckily, my new employer covered the comission on the sale. If they hadn't, we wouldn't have been able to sell at all.

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 12:10:47 PM »
www.REDfin.com is cracking this facade, but they are only in a handful of major markets.

You could have a self listing on www.zillow.com to test the waters and see if other listing engines grab your data
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Re: Realtors and MLS?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 12:22:06 PM »
There is often a local realtor who will enter your house into MLS for a small fee, usually a couple hundred bucks.

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 12:26:22 PM »
There are a lot of "realtor" services that list in the MLS for a small flat fee.

I see their signs all over town.
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Re: Realtors and MLS?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 01:16:13 PM »
This is probably too early to be thinking about such things, but I'm curious about whether you need a realtor to have your home listed on the MLS.

I'd really like to go without a realtor if possible, although with the market the way it is, that may not be possible to do, even next spring. I just hate the idea of paying $12,000+ in commissions. We sold our last house, and bought our current one, using just our attorney to draft the paperwork.

If being listed on MLS requires a realtor, does it require that a realtor handle the calls, or can they go to the home owners?

ML, good questions all. Let me take a crack at them.

Disclaimer - I am licenced in Texas. Although real estate rules and regs are similar in most states, check locally to verify.

The Multiple Listing Service is usually a function of the local Association of Realtors. It's a place for them to consolidate their efforts and give members a centralized database of available properties. Being a function of the association it's geared towards agent convenience. All that to let you know why access to the system for listing purposes is limited to members who must be licenced agents or brokers.

Also, understand that any agent who's using the MLS is expecting a coop fee (usually a percentage) for bringing a buyer. A company that offers single-fee insertion into the MLS will probably have you sign a listing agreement with a non-exclusive "right to sell". That means that if you sell it the only cost is the up-front insertion fee. If an MLS member sells it, even one of the listing offices agents, there is a percent commission paid to the buyer's agent.

As for who handles calls and how, that's up to whatever deal you work out with the listing agent. No representation, full representation, and everything in between, it's whatever you and the agent agree on.

As for selling you house and not paying a commission, well... there's a lot of very solid data so say that you'd be better off listing it. The larger buyer pool, consolidated marketing efforts, and greater overall exposure normally result in a listed property selling for more, and in less time. Enough so that the additional price and savings in time will wash out the commission when it comes to net due.

In most markets the FSBO segment is roughly 15% of the buyer pool. The remaining 85% want to pick up the phone use an agent - and agent who will hit the MLS first. In other words, your prospective buyer pool goes up by a factor of 6.

There's a whole host of other stuff, including issues with lenders greatly preferring a title or abstract company handling the closing. An attorney can handle the paperwork but most lenders require a title policy or abstract of title. Many attorneys can provide those service, but will do so by the hour. The cost is normally at, or higher than, the price of a title policy from a title company or abstract office.

There's a bunch of other stuff. Too much, really, to handle in a forum post. I'd be happy to walk you through it if you want to give me a ring. Click my internet link on the left of the page. My cell number is listed in the "Contact Me" info.

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Re: Realtors and MLS?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2009, 06:28:01 PM »
Thanks, Brad. I meant to reply to you earlier, then completely forgot.

You talked me out of FSBO.

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2009, 07:52:33 PM »
I never appreciated realtors until we bought a house directly from a psychotic bi-polar owner  ;/  :mad:
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Re: Realtors and MLS?
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2009, 11:35:08 AM »
Thanks, Brad. I meant to reply to you earlier, then completely forgot.

You talked me out of FSBO.

Glad to help.

Just for the record... For anyone else reading the thread, I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to sell FSBO. It's your house and you can do what you want with it. My concern is someone making the decision to do so without considering ALL the pros and cons.


I never appreciated realtors until we bought a house directly from a psychotic bi-polar owner  ;/  :mad:

That sounds ... interesting (in a self-immolation sort of way).

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2009, 01:12:39 PM »
and for you Realtors out there.........

NEVER sell your own house......
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2009, 03:51:06 PM »
and for you Realtors out there.........

NEVER sell your own house......

Because?

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Re: Realtors and MLS?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2009, 02:03:13 PM »
Personal Experience. My ex wife, the Broker-Agent, had one of our houses listed. Instead of taking an offer that would have paid off everything, she refused because we would have to come up with some money at closing. She wound up short selling it for some $60+K for less AND some money at closing, than the one offer that was presented almost  year earlier. It's a rather long story and I'd rather not get into the whole thing here.
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Re: Realtors and MLS?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 02:08:00 PM »
Sounds like your ex wasn't taking her own advice, falling prey to an unrealistic expectation and a bad case of the "what if's".

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