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Getting back into fishing
« on: October 19, 2009, 12:23:43 PM »
I grew up fishing all the time. There was a big canal nearby where bluegill would get in, get trapped, and grow fat and desperate for food. We hauled in many many pounds of meat from there. We were poor, and all that free protein was a huge help.

It's been years since I've been out, and I finally found someone else in the area who's into fishing to go out with. So I'm researching what I need to get back into it.

Between buying a house, gearing up for hnting, and trying to save for a reloading setup spare cash is minimal right now. I've been scouring the local Craig's List, but I have no idea what I'm seeing. Rather than do research on dozens and dozens of reels and rods, I thought I'd turn to APS to do my work for me. :angel:

I'll be going after freshwater salmon for now, casting from shore (or wading out and casting) in rivers. I remember preferring bait casters to spin casters, but that's all a long time ago. I see a lot of Penn 109 and 209 reels in my price range. Thoughts on them vs say Abu Garcia or Shimano? And I'm clueless about rods. I'd think medium action, medium length?
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Re: getting back into fishing
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 12:37:48 PM »
My apologies for the formatting, capitalization, and spelling of this post: writing on my phone. I'll clean it up later.
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Re: getting back into fishing
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 12:41:37 PM »
welcome to the hording

I am setting my family up for PA stream & lake fishing and have seen some decent rigs at ye olde Walmart for 25 bucks
But beware that a high end shimano reel is rather pricey

do you need 6 laser balanced seal ball bearings to hork a worm over the pool?
prolly not
watch out for the flyfishing genre to, dang thqt gets pricey fast

I have had good luck finding decent tackle at "antique" malls and the like

I have a medium weight spincast used set up that i found for 10 bucks that is perfectly serviceable
and I won't have a coronary when my daughter snaps the tip in the car door.



I match my tackle to the prey species and prefer having a nice ultra light rig for trout & panfish
Nothing like getting a tuna class rod bend from a 17 inch Palomino

Bass need a bit more umph for longer casts and heavier lures

another rig I have been mucking about with is a Shakepeare collapsable panfish pole
http://www.shakespeare-fishing.com/products/rods/wonderpole.shtml
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Re: getting back into fishing
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 01:07:40 PM »
I've never salmon fished.  I'm not sure of the tackle you'll be using, lures, line or the size fish.
My suggestion would be to look for a fishing forum for the area you live and fish in. 
But I will offer you some help :)
http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php
Buy some fishing line, maybe 15lb test, and a pack of large swivels.  Start working on your knots!
Nothing more frustrating than casting a $5 lure right off the end of your line, or losing a nice fish because of a crappy knot.
Also, get up on your local regulations.  I'm pretty anal about that, and have never had an issue.  However, I know people who've been cited for fishing improperly.  Great way to ruin a day or weekend.

PS:
I have well over 20 rod and reel setups, as well as a few backup rods lying around :O
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Re: getting back into fishing
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 02:27:18 PM »
I run a pair of Abu 5500s while backtrolling - on 9.5' fiberglass/graphite hybrid rods (St Croix).
Not a bad setup for bank fishing either - You can cast a mile.
These level-wind bait casitng reels are best (imo) for line weights over 10 lb,  the drags are very good, and they are pretty stout.  Maybe too stout for smaller jacks and coho.  Casting modern woven lines, eg firewire, spiderline, can be frustrating.  
With practice, they are the choice for Kings and mid-large steelhead.

Casting for winter fish (steelhead) I run a 2500 Shimano Stradic on a Loomis HSR9000.    8lb line.  Kind of light but you cast a lot in the winter.  Casting for fresh kings I use the same rod with a 4500 Stradic and 12 or 14lb line, and can land 25 lb fish readily.  If we had regular 30 lb fish, I'd get a stiffer rod, or maybe learn to cast a baitcaster better, and use the 5500.

In my experience, if you plan on fishing (landing) more than 10 days (20 lb fish) per year, go with the higher end Shimano spinning reels.  I've never fished a Penn, but like what I've seen.  Pay for Ball bearings.  The cheaper reels will wear out in a season, with burned drags, spun bearings and bent shafts.
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Re: Getting back into fishing
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2009, 03:19:36 PM »
Here are a couple things I'm looking at. Thoughts?

I'm thinking ditch the net and tackle box and try to talk the guy down?
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/spo/1428207920.html

I've seen this guy offering reel repairs, so hopefully he knew what he was doing when he replaced the drags. http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/spo/1425822023.html

Not a ton of details, but looks promising. http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/spo/1425060116.html

Also, I know the #85 is quite inexpensive on ebay, but this seems like a good deal. http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/spo/1423500172.html
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Re: Getting back into fishing
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2009, 06:30:33 PM »
The Penn's in the first and last one are pretty stout.  I use those trolling for Stripers and offshore with 40lb braided line.  Not easy reels to cast.
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Re: Getting back into fishing
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2009, 06:54:21 PM »
What makes them hard to cast? Anything I can do to help with that?
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Re: getting back into fishing
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2009, 07:13:55 PM »
In my experience, if you plan on fishing (landing) more than 10 days (20 lb fish) per year, go with the higher end Shimano spinning reels.  I've never fished a Penn, but like what I've seen.  Pay for Ball bearings.  The cheaper reels will wear out in a season, with burned drags, spun bearings and bent shafts.

I'm confused by this sentence. Are you saying if I plan on successfully catching fish on more than 10 days a year, where the fish average 20 or more lbs, I should go with a Shimano spinning reel? Not trying to be obtuse, I'm just not sure what you're saying.

Ok, here's an ad featuring a number of reasonably priced reels of different designs and brands. Out of this lot, what would ya'll look at for shore fishing with ~20lb line? http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/spo/1428863361.html
« Last Edit: October 19, 2009, 07:24:50 PM by Balog »
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Re: Getting back into fishing
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 07:37:21 PM »
Redneck Fishin' Rule #2:  If it says ZEBCO, it's good enuff for catfish.....


Redneck Fishin' Rule #1:  Skimp on the fishin' gear.....spend on the beer....  =D
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Re: Getting back into fishing
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2009, 08:06:02 PM »
No problem.  What I'm saying is, if you are going to catch more than a few hard running 20 lb fish, don't skimp on a reel.  Now, sure, you can catch fish on any old reel your local mass merchant stocks.  Those reels (40-80 dollars) will be made from cast aluminum, stamped gears and bushings and fiber washers.  This is fine, and I've used many of them, however,  almon are hard running fish, and will cause the drag system of any reel to generate a lot of heat.  

The higher end Shimanos and Penns (and others) are built to handle this.  The are machined to high tolerances, have multiple composite drag plates, sealed ball bearings. You are paying more money, but getting a lasting tool.  I'd never buy a used stamped reel.  A used high end, yes.  One of my Abu 5500s is an E-Bay find and I caught my largest steelhead on it (no photos, but it was a 40 inch female fish - February - released) but they, while not a true "high end" reel, are a proven workhorse with spare parts available for a total rebuild, if necessary.

I remember a day in 2004, the Best Day Ever, on the lower Muskegon River.  The water was clear, temps were in the low 30s and rising, and in order to get a fish to strike, we were running 8 lb test. After about 3 fish on, things started getting weird.  When those chrome bullets would hit my plug, they'd peel off 20-30 yards of line shooting back downriver to Lake Michigan.  Ping.  The line would snap.  Not only had I lost my steelhead, I lost all my terminal tackle.  This happened at least twice before I realized what was going on.  

As the fish pulled line off the spool, the drag was tightening.  I'd used this reel on Pere Marquette salmon the previous summer, not on a lot of fish, maybe half a dozen, but the drag was fried from horsing 25 lb salmon on 14 lb test line. That was the closest I'd come to starting back on cigarettes.  My buddies wouldn't give me a smoke, bless them.  I swore that day never to skimp again. My Stradics have worked flawlessy.

I assume this is what your after....
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Here is a regional forum, on which I have no experience:
http://www.salmontroutandsteelhead.com/

Also a copy of the magazine "Salmon Trout Steelhead" will have some good how-to articles and river info.  

Go fishing with whatever you can.  Don't stay home because of equipment limitations, every hour on the river is paying into the bank of time that needs to be paid to have success.
Any reel will work delightfully for a while, but after a few fish, and the fever starts to rage, get a new one.  The 40 dollar reels will start to fail after half a dozen salmon.  They may last a lifetime of walleye and crappie, but anadromous fish will cook the drags in a week.  There is no worse feeling than fishing for 10 -20 hours, getting into a hot pod of fish and having a tackle failure.

Live the dream. =)

edit to add - I'd go Garcia - Just my preference  The Axxar is a high speed retrieve reel - High Gear Ratio.  Looks like a discontinued C3 ambassadeur model. 
That Penn would work, too, but might be a little more difficult to cast.  I don't see a free spool button...
Check the drag by winding about 50 yards of line on the reel and cranking the drag to about 4-5 lbs of resistance.  Have the seller hold the reel.  You take the tag end of the line and run off across the yard.  You are looking for smooth and steady resistance.  Jerky or increasing resistance is reason to walk away.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/spo/1423672830.html  -  I like this one for bank fishing.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/spo/1423669708.html
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Re: Getting back into fishing
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2009, 08:20:24 PM »
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Re: Getting back into fishing
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2009, 09:07:36 PM »
For casting and bank fishing, I'm partial to spinning reels.

Those big Penns are hard to cast because the spool size is hard to manhandle. 
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Re: Getting back into fishing
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 11:06:36 PM »
Another couples interesting choices. Anyone know what's up with this Okuma? not a brand I've heard of before. http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/spo/1437498870.html

For casting and bank fishing, I'm partial to spinning reels.

Those big Penns are hard to cast because the spool size is hard to manhandle. 

I was looking at some of the reviews for this reel, and it says casting is acceptable. Any thoughts?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/spo/1437065900.html
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