Climategate--Let's Follow the Money, Shall We?

[richyoung]

Not naming any names, but....


...those who have drank the anthropogenic global warming Kool-Aid are, alas, just like the patrons of Reverend Jim Jones, finding out a little late that the arseneic has been added.  In general, if you are telling the truth, you don't have to withhold data and methods, fabricate or alter data, supress dissent, etc, etc, etc.

The whole premise of the CO2 theory of global warming violates the extinction coefficient of Beer's Law.  AGW is the most UNscientific "science" since Plitdown Man...

[Parker Dean]

It's all over for AGW proponents anyway. I mean, even Jon Stewart was mocking it with those emails the other night and if they've lost him, well they've lost the American Left.

[Northwoods]

...those who have drank the anthropogenic global warming Kool-Aid are, alas, just like the patrons of Reverend Jim Jones, finding out a little late that the arseneic has been added. 

Not to quibble, but it was Flavor-Aid and cynanide plus a sedative.

[Waitone]

And a goodly number of those who objected to a drink suffered gunshot wounds to the head. Not covered by the media.

[CAnnoneer]

In my experience, the research grant system has its problems, but it is not nearly as corrupt as many people wish to believe. For the most part, most people do good work on limited funds. Now and then, there are a few bad apples that cheat or try to use political pressure to get their way, but they are an exception rather than the rule. The cheaters get tracked down very quickly, chiefly because methods and conclusions in science are testable. The political careerists are a problem, but they exist in all fields.

If there is a problem with AGW and such regarding funding, it is the political taint brought in by people that are outside science, chiefly lobbyists and politicians. Those guys in East Anglia, corrupt and horrible as they are, should not have been put under the temptation and pressure to produce politically correct results. Remove the political incentives is what had to have been done.

[taurusowner]

One cannot remove the political aspects of the AGW debate becase politics is the entire point.  It's all about control, and money.  "Climate Change" is just the latest idea those who wish to limit your freedoms are using to accomplish their goals.  Saving the planet is one of the farthest things from their minds.  Telling you what to drive, where to work, what to eat, what light bulbs to use, what laundry detergent to use, where you can live, how big your house can be, etc, as well as taking a hefty chunk of your paycheck for the rest of your life.  THAT is the goal, and it's a political goal.  This entire debate IS political incentives.  Those who wish to tell you how to live, and those who do not.  It's nothing new.  Mankind has been seeking power over others for all of time.  What used to be accomplished by who had the biggest army or who could assassinate the king and set themselves up as ruler is now down through money, lobyying and public policy.  The power hungry will always find ways to work the system.  Since we live in a nation where laws and voting instead of swards or guns are used to rule the land, the power-hungry are constantly looking for new ways to use the law to set themselves up as leaders and controllers.  Global Warming is a means to an end.  This has nothing to do with "saving the planet" and it never has.


Here's a hint: if anyone ever tells you they need control in order to "help mankind" or "save the planet", they ARE lying to you.