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So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« on: April 27, 2010, 07:40:34 AM »
I wrote the below to give to the press and onlookers.


Who are we and why are we doing this?

The Students for Concealed Carry on Campus Alaska chapter and those protesting today are not extremists or radicals and this protest is not about “guns in schools” or “arming students and teachers” or “fear of crime”.  We are simply citizens of Alaska who wish to be allowed to carry weapons on the campuses of the University of Alaska exactly as we currently do so off-campus, safely and responsibly in accordance with existing Alaska law.
 
Why is this protest necessary?

After multiple requests the University Board of Regents and the President of the University have refused to bring their campus weapon’s policy into line with controlling state statutes.  This peaceful demonstration is designed to bring the issue into the open and provide them a final chance to correct this violation prior to legal and legislative challenges being made.

Why is the policy legally questionable?

The University of Alaska is a public entity; the Board of Regents and President are bound by oath to abide by the Constitution and laws of the State of Alaska.  Their power is delegated by Statute and cannot be greater than its source.
Alaska Constitution Article 1, Section 19 - Right to Keep and Bear Arms - “A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be denied or infringed by the State or a political subdivision of the State.”
Alaska Statutes 11.61.190-220 clearly list all areas prohibited to lawful carriers.  The Legislature did not include the University system on that list, if they had intended to they presumably would have.

Alaska Statute 29.35.145 on firearms preemption prevents political subsections (Municipalities) of the State from enacting regulations on firearms more restrictive than state law in publically accessible areas, such as the campuses of the University of Alaska.  There is no logical reason to believe the public University can do what the municipalities in which its campuses are located cannot.

The University’s authority to enact its policies rests on AS 14.40.170 (b)(2); which only authorizes the Board to “adopt reasonable rules, orders, and plans with reasonable penalties for the good government of the university and for the regulation of the Board of Regents”. 

Given the Constitution and statutes of the State of Alaska it does not seem that “reasonable” can be read to authorize the Board to completely deny a right of law-abiding citizens, student or not, at a public institution.  In addition, it doesn’t seem “reasonable” for the penalty for obeying state law and responsibly exercising a fundamental right under the state Constitution in an institution of public education to rise to the level of denying an education to that student.

It is not even clear whether the University has the power, even under the current policy, to “trespass” law-abiding citizens, student or not, who are found to be in violation.  To charge someone with Trespass under state law (AS 11.46.330) requires that they have entered or remained unlawfully.  Board policy is not law in any way, carry on campus is legal per statute, and is a fundamental right like the freedom of speech or assembly.  It is hard to see how obeying state statute to the letter in a public, non-prohibited place while exercising a fundamental right can in any way be described as “unlawful behavior” justifying removal or arrest by law enforcement.  The University is not private and does not “reserve the right to refuse service”, they have been accessible to the general public since inception.

It is worth noting that the University of Colorado Board of Regents recently faced a legal challenge to their almost identical policy and have lost on appeal. (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14894750)  It would behoove the UA Board of Regents to carefully consider if they want to use tuition dollars and state funds to fight what will likely be a similar losing legal battle simply to prevent some students and citizens from safely and responsibly obeying the law exactly as they do off campus.

Is safety or the “educational experience” at risk?

In a word, no.  Evidence is available from the many colleges that currently allow carry pursuant to their state laws that it does not negatively impact their educational experience.  http://www.concealedcampus.org/common_arguments.php  The burden is thus on the UA Board of Regents to explain with facts, not conjecture or opinion, why Alaska’s students are not capable of handling the lawful exercise of fundamental rights on campus in a similarly responsible manner.
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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 07:47:09 AM »
Do you have a website for this protest or a PDF of this? Also UAA or UAF?

My mom and some of her more annoying liberal friends work at UAA, and I'd be interested giving them this before the whining starts on my facebook page.

Nice handout by the way.

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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 09:27:34 AM »
Excellent handout. Wordy, but good to establish your true intend and pre-address most arguments against.
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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2010, 05:30:26 PM »
Wordy is how I roll.  =D

I am not really in a leadership position, no time.  I just started working with George Hines, the local SCCC chapter guy, to put together the first "moderate sounding" letter to the BoR and this one.  George is pretty direct.

As far as I know this is a protest solely on the UAA campus outside the Cuddy Center.  George plans to be arrested if necessary by refusing to leave when requested.

Basically the President and Board have just tried to ignore us in the hopes we'd go away as they don't really have a legal case.  George just got them to bend on car carry last month.

I'm not really in favor of this move, I think pointing them at Colorado and saying "you're next" and letting them talk to their attorneys first would be a better move, but so be it.
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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 10:13:00 AM »
Here in Oregon we have much the same legalities.  "governmental bodies" are not allowed to make their own rules regarding firearms except as regards to discharge and carry, the latter of which don't apply to CHL holders as state law specifically trumps any local variation (That's why people with a CHL can legally open carry in Portland).

When I attended PSU, I carried every day.  I also had a copy of the relevant statutes printed in a small font and folded up in my wallet, right next to my CHL. 

Now that I'm no longer a student there, I could be trespassed from the campus buildings, but not from the several blocks long park that is in the middle of campus, as that is a public area.   >:D
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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2010, 01:29:00 AM »
Minimal turnout but citations were issued.  On to court.
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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2010, 01:35:36 AM »
Minimal turnout but citations were issued.  On to court.

You have lawyers and funding?
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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 02:50:44 AM »
SCCC and NRA are apparently now on board.  We have a lawyer pro bonoing to start the process.

(heh heh, I said bonoing)
 
IANAL but I think it'd be worth going to a friendly judge and trying for an injunction right off the bat.  Make the Uni pull together its case so the state AG can review and tell them if they should cave early or not.
 
Why fight if we don't need to?
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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 07:28:11 AM »
SCCC and NRA are apparently now on board.  We have a lawyer pro bonoing to start the process.

(heh heh, I said bonoing)
 
IANAL but I think it'd be worth going to a friendly judge and trying for an injunction right off the bat.  Make the Uni pull together its case so the state AG can review and tell them if they should cave early or not.
 
Why fight if we don't need to?

If you fight it, it becomes precedent.  Rather than winning one for UA specifically consider the possibility that a win regarding the Board of Regents might also extend to other Executive Branch heads who may have implemented rules relating to their agencies.  I'm not aware of the situation up there, but if it is like any other state (except for the cold, snow, polar bears and being able to see Russia stuff) I'm pretty sure some other state agency has put down a rule or three that they have no authority to do so.

While courts in other jurisdictions are not required to accept and follow precedent from outside their jurisdiction, such precedent goes a long way towards making up the "evolving standards" that are used to determine that things that worked waaay back when are not working any longer.

Virginia (an example I pull out of my hat merely because I live there) is a "Dillon Rule" state and probably will remain so forever.  Yet various and sundry state universities and other elements of the Executive Branch have taken to the Virginia Administrative Code to enact regulations prohibiting the carry of firearms within the grounds of their respective baliwicks.  The question being raised is whether or not these agencies have the authority to do so granted to them by the General Assembly.  A ruling in Alaska would be of tremendous value to the "discussion" of the same issue here in Virginia.

And to answer a question that has not yet been asked - yes, I am ready and willing to make a monetary contribution to the cost of litigating the Washington matter, as well as asking my fellow Virginians to also contribute.

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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 11:05:46 AM »
We'll send lawyers and money, but you're on your own for the guns.  ;)
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Re: So we're having a protest on campus Wednesday...
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010, 06:17:47 PM »
The state preemption rests on the (state) Constitutional RKBA and a preemption statute.

Nobody is trying to get around it (other than the Univ).

Shamelessly stolen from the Legal Community Against Violence.  A pretty good site actually, resource-wise.

 http://www.lcav.org/content/state_local.asp

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Article I, § 19 of the Alaska Constitution provides:

A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be denied or infringed by the State or a political subdivision of the State.

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Alaska has expressly preempted most local firearm regulation. Alaska Statutes § 29.35.145(a) provides:

The authority to regulate firearms is reserved to the state, and, except as specifically provided by statute, a municipality may not enact or enforce an ordinance regulating the possession, ownership, sale, transfer, use, carrying, transportation, licensing, taxation, or registration of firearms.

Municipalities may, however, adopt ordinances that:

Are identical to state law and that provide the same penalty as state law;

Restrict the discharge of firearms where there is a reasonable likelihood that people, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized;

Restrict areas in which firearms may be sold, although businesses selling firearms may not be treated more restrictively than other businesses located within the same zone; and

Prohibit the possession of firearms in the restricted access area of municipal government buildings (a "restricted access area" is the area beyond a secure point where visitors are screened and does not include common areas of ingress and egress open to the general public, per § 29.35.145(e)(2)).

Section 29.35.145(b).

In addition, the prohibition on taxation in section 29.35.145(a) does not include imposition of a sales tax that is levied on all products sold within a municipality. Section 29.35.145(c).

Alaska Statutes § 18.65.800(a) also restricts local gun regulation, providing that:

Notwithstanding any other provision of law…a municipality…may not adopt or enforce a law, ordinance, policy, or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting an individual from possessing a firearm while that individual is within a motor vehicle or prohibiting an individual from storing a firearm that is locked in the individual's motor vehicle while the motor vehicle is otherwise legally parked in or on state or municipal property or another person’s property.

An employer or its agent may, however, prohibit firearm possession within a secured restricted access area (as defined in § 29.35.145(e)(2), see above), in a vehicle owned, leased, or rented by the employer or its agent, or in a parking lot owned or controlled by the employer within 300 feet of the secured restricted access area. Section 18.65.800(d).

The state, a municipality, or a person is not liable for any injury or damage resulting from the storage of a firearm in the vehicle of another individual in accordance with section 18.65.800. Section 18.65.800(c).

In addition, section 18.65.778 provides that “[a] municipality may not restrict the carrying of a concealed handgun by permit” issued in accordance with Alaska law. Although Alaska has a comprehensive permitting scheme for the carrying of concealed handguns under sections 18.65.700 to 18.65.790, such permits are no longer required.

There are no cases interpreting the aforementioned statutes.
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