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Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« on: May 11, 2010, 10:32:23 AM »
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/3524-gun-control-leads-to-militarized-law-enforcement
Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
f you needed another example of public officials woefully unaware of restraints on government power, look no further than the city of Chicago. The Austin Weekly News reported on April 28th that State Representative LaShawn Ford (D) is calling for the deployment of National Guard units on the streets of the Windy City to deal with escalating gang violence. Ford wants the military to augment the 13,400 strong Chicago Police Force, which is already the second largest in the nation.

Ford, along with fellow State Rep. John Fritchey (D), is encouraging Illinois Governor Pat Quinn to work with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley to militarize the streets of the nation's third-largest city. In a press release, Ford reasoned that local law enforcement should be backed up with armed forces because “we cannot accept it as a normal situation that someone is shot and killed in Chicago almost every day, with the West Side citizens whom I represent being affected at a much greater rate.”

Sadly, based on Ford’s press release, it is apparent that he is not familiar with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 that strictly prohibits the deployment of federal armed forces from exercising normal state law enforcement functions. Proponents argue that the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to Ford’s suggestion because the Act only prohibits National Guard units from direct involvement in local law enforcement when they are federalized, and Ford is requesting it be done solely under state authority. Such an argument overlooks the obvious fact that state national guards units are already federalized. For a long time, “state” National Guard units have been “state” entities in name only. Between the huge portion of federal funding for state guard units and the fact that units are actively deployed under federal direction in foreign war zones, the Founders’ ideas of state militias of old are as dead as the dodo bird.

Ironically, the state authority defense is clearly disingenuous, as supporters of the initiative specifically cite the foreign combat training of the Guard, under federal direction, as a chief reason to deploy them domestically. Rep. Ford actually believes the fact that these units will be coming back with war experience from the battle field is a good thing. “We know the U.S. troops have been winning the hearts and minds in Iraq, they stabilized those communities, those communities are safe and that's what we want right here in Illinois for the National Guard to come in and help stabilize the community with the Chicago police department.”

Ford’s like-minded associate and former assistant attorney general, Rep. Fritchey, repeated similar sentiments. “As we speak, National Guard members are working side-by-side with our troops to fight a war halfway around the world. The unfortunate reality is that we have another war that is just as deadly taking place right in our backyard.” Yes, you read that correctly! The top advocates for deployment of National Guard units to conduct law-enforcement in a major U.S. city actually cite the war tactics of National Guard units as a benefit. Can these two actually want the same occupation strategy of “clear and hold” used on Iraqis and Afghanis to be used for Americans?

In the Chicago Tribune, The National Black Police Association (NBPA) reacted with outrage at Ford’s suggestion in an April 29th op-ed piece written by a member of NBPA who also served in the U.S. Marines:

A police department's officers are trained to enable Constitutional due process safeguards. Armies are not designed with this purpose — armies are trained to kill.…
  • ur members know that there is stark difference between military duties and police duties.


Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis weighed in on Ford’s suggestion by reminding the people that the military does not operate under the same constitutional restraints as local law enforcement and mentioned the Kent State shootings in 1970 where National Guardsmen fatally shot four student protesters and seriously injured others (which, ironically, was just revealed by declassified FBI records to be instigated by a federal provocateur ). “[W]hen you mix military functions with law enforcement functions, there is sometimes a disconnect.” Weis then went on to display the same mindset that has contributed to the increasing violence by calling for “tougher gun control laws” which have been echoed by the Mayor of the city and other public officials.

Already referred to as the “U.S. gun control capital,” Chicago has banned the private ownership of handguns and rifles since 1982 with some of the most stringent gun laws in the country. The city’s excessive gun ban is currently under fire in the top Second Amendment case in the country, McDonald v Chicago, which is presently before the Supreme Court. And now, with nearly 30 years of failure and violence rising to astronomical proportions, local residents are left longing for the pre-gun control days with lower levels of violence.

Even with such blatant facts plainly staring them in the face, officials are ratcheting up their anti-gun rhetoric and renewing calls for more drastic efforts to strip citizens of the right to bear arms. Mayor Daley even advocated that globalist institutions like the World Court allow “plaintiffs” to sue U.S. gun manufacturers for exorbitant amounts during the Global Cities Forum at the University of Illinois-Chicago on Monday, April 26. Daley's end goal being to effectively ban the production of guns for civilians globally. Not only does Mayor Daley refuse to face the obvious facts about his own city’s abysmal failure with gun control, he seeks to spread his misery around to the entire planet.

The unfortunate occupants of Chicago have a bleak future, indeed, as one public official after another seems committed to a policy of more government and fewer individual rights. The ideas of Daley, Ford, and their ilk for possible solutions are the “pick-your-poison” variety of more gun control or a police state lockdown on the city — with the strong likelihood that both scenarios will come to pass if they get their way. Could Chicago be only a glimpse of what the rest of America will eventually look like: a hyper-violent, militarized region constantly under martial law and plagued with civil unrest? If America continues to follow the same draconian policies as Chicago, then, regrettably, it seems the answer may be "yes."
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2010, 10:42:54 AM »
Your link is broken because you copied the text of the link instead of the link itself from another forum.

Always look for the ellipses (...) in a link on a forum, and if you see it, you need to right-click and do "Copy link location" instead of just highlighting the whole thing and hitting copy.


OK.  Now I am going to read this.
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2010, 11:04:42 AM »
Hard for me to decide which is the more disgusting; that an elected official wants to use the National Guard for law enforcement or that Chicago is so screwed up that it might be necessary.

I can see it now, “Occupied Chicago”.

Somehow it would be Bush’s fault.
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2010, 11:09:52 AM »
Do we have an exit strategy?  =|
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2010, 11:52:55 AM »
paragraph 3 is where the author runs off the track

then in paragraph 7 it takes an even flakier almost balkoesque turn
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 06:03:34 PM »
Your link is broken because you copied the text of the link instead of the link itself from another forum.

Always look for the ellipses (...) in a link on a forum, and if you see it, you need to right-click and do "Copy link location" instead of just highlighting the whole thing and hitting copy.


OK.  Now I am going to read this.

thanks! I think its fixed
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 08:27:05 PM »
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“We know the U.S. troops have been winning the hearts and minds in Iraq, they stabilized those communities, those communities are safe and that's what we want right here in Illinois for the National Guard to come in and help stabilize the community with the Chicago police department.”

I haven't been to Chicago recently, but I've been to Iraq, and I'm pretty sure that the Rep. Ford doesn't really want Chicago to like that.


Also, As I tell everyone that mentions it; Don't use the military as peace-keepers.  We'll do our best, but it's really not our job description.  If you really need more cops, then find more [honest] cops.  Soldiers have a complatly different skillset and mindset.  Unless what you're looking for is the NG kicking in gangbangers doors at 0darkthirty, dragging gangmembers off to gitmo and setting up and running armed TCP's into Chicago.  If that's the plan, they got it covered.

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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 08:51:54 PM »
when they used the guard in dc they were more infrastructure  they brought in and set up portable lighting units and generally were used to assist in disrupting the open air drug markets and reducing the collateral murders that accompanied the victimless crime


and what top secret lew rockwel only document revealed kent state was started by an undercover instigator?  i've read the fbi report  its not in there
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 09:09:31 PM »
The military solution sounds perfect for Chicago; seal off its borders, destroy its infrastructure and eliminate its corrupt government.

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 09:32:20 PM »
The military solution sounds perfect for Chicago; seal off its borders, destroy its infrastructure and eliminate its corrupt government.

lol  :laugh:
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 09:55:22 PM »
then on to new york? and when do they get to raleigh?

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 10:11:40 PM »
The military solution sounds perfect for Chicago; seal off its borders, destroy its infrastructure and eliminate its corrupt government.

We could cordon it and make it a big prison a la Escape from New York/L.A.  Southern IL would be happy . . .
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 10:22:06 PM »
We could cordon it and make it a big prison a la Escape from New York/L.A.  Southern IL would be happy . . .
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 10:39:05 PM »
During  hundreds of midwatch bull sessions down in the torpedo room we solved all of the worlds problems.

Our favorite methods was what we called The McDonald's Plan
I think if not now then soon it will be appropriate for Chicago and similar places

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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 04:38:00 AM »
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/3524-gun-control-leads-to-militarized-law-enforcement

“We know the U.S. troops have been winning the hearts and minds in Iraq, they stabilized those communities, those communities are safe and that's what we want right here in Illinois for the National Guard to come in and help stabilize the community with the Chicago police department.”

Ford’s like-minded associate and former assistant attorney general, Rep. Fritchey, repeated similar sentiments. “As we speak, National Guard members are working side-by-side with our troops to fight a war halfway around the world. The unfortunate reality is that we have another war that is just as deadly taking place right in our backyard.”


So they want Chicago to be like Baghdad/Fallujah/Kabul/Gardez in terms of safety and security and encourage the use of martial law tactics. The disconnect with reality, and more importantly sanity, is palpable.

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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2010, 01:12:32 PM »

So they want Chicago to be like Baghdad/Fallujah/Kabul/Gardez in terms of safety and security and encourage the use of martial law tactics. The disconnect with reality, and more importantly sanity, is palpable.
yeah, you're right about that. they also forget that ( afaik ) over in Iraq, your allowed to ccw and own AK47's
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Re: Gun Control Leads to Militarized Law Enforcement
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2010, 01:13:47 PM »
yeah, you're right about that. they also forget that ( afaik ) over in Iraq, your allowed to ccw and own AK47's

One per household, whenI was there. But I'd be careful about carrying it around...  :O  :lol:
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 01:19:23 PM »
One per household, whenI was there. But I'd be careful about carrying it around...  :O  :lol:

Select fire? or are they only allowed semi?
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2010, 01:20:06 PM »
Select fire? or are they only allowed semi?

Semi-AK's are an aberration, I have no idea how the average Iraqi would even find one.
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