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open carry activist arrested for homicide
« on: May 18, 2010, 05:39:29 PM »
they say he is prominent ... dang! I hope he is found not guilty! I vaguely remember his court case

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/94015669.html
A prominent gun rights advocate charged in a May 9 homicide seemed impatient with others in the so-called open carry movement when he announced his intentions on a message board two years ago.

"I've noticed that there seems to be no one in Milwaukee willing to get OC (open carry) started, but I was never one to wait for others," wrote Jesus C. Gonzalez, using the screen name Parabellum, from the Latin phrase that means, "If you seek peace, prepare for war."

Last week, authorities charged Gonzalez, 23, with first-degree intentional homicide for the death of Danny John, 29, and attempted first-degree intentional homicide of Jered Corn, 21, who was left paralyzed from the chest down.

Gonzalez called 911 right after the shooting to report he had fired at two men who had tried to assault him when he went to move his car about 12:15 a.m. The men were leaving Mamie's tavern on National Ave. and headed down Shea Ave. where they encountered Gonzalez, who lives two doors from the tavern on Shea. Police recovered seven empty cartridges from the scene, about 145 feet from Gonzalez's house.

Gonzalez had filed a federal civil rights lawsuit last year over his arrests in 2008 and 2009 for wearing a loaded handgun into a Menards and a Wal-Mart. Neither disorderly conduct arrest led to formal charges, and a week after his suit was filed, state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen advised law enforcement agencies that wearing a gun in public, by itself, is not evidence of disorderly conduct. Gonzalez's case was being followed by gun rights advocates around the region. He was being represented by a Georgia attorney who specializes in gun rights cases.

A judge dismissed Gonzalez's civil lawsuit two days before he was charged in the shootings.

As part of that suit, he was interviewed under oath in September, and partial transcripts of the deposition reveal a little more about Gonzalez's interest in Second Amendment rights.

While he said he had no formal training in firearms or the law, he sparred repeatedly with Remzy Bitar, an attorney for the two cities named in the lawsuit, and showed a detailed knowledge of statutes and case law relating to gun possession, even citing oral arguments from notable cases.

Bitar asked many questions about comments Gonzalez posted on OpenCarry.org, an Internet forum for discussions about gun laws and rights. Gonzalez also recounted in detail his store visits that led to arrests in West Milwaukee and Chilton and became the subject of his federal lawsuit.

After the shootings, police served a search warrant at Gonzalez's home and seized three additional handguns, three rifles, a shotgun and about 1,300 rounds of ammunition. They also seized correspondence that appeared to be related to his civil lawsuit, a hunter safety certificate and receipts for the purchase of some of the weapons, including the 9mm handgun police say was used against John and Corn.

Gonzalez, who is being held on $100,000 bail, has no prior criminal record. His attorney, Nelida Cortes, did not return messages seeking comment.
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 06:06:00 PM »
so he's in jail and they want the rest of his guns for? i guess just to fondle?

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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 06:29:51 PM »
so he's in jail and they want the rest of his guns for? i guess just to fondle?

Never keep all your eggs in one basket.  Or all NICS'ed.  Or else they'll get nixed.

This sucks for this guy.  I'm sorry to hear about his troubles.  Sounds like he's an OC advocate because he can't get a CCW in his state (unsure about that, but that's my initial suspicion... don't know WI law).  Been hassled by the cops about OC, then gets mugged and defends himself appropriately (again, another assumption).

7 guns and 1300 rounds of ammo?  Guy is living light! =D  Probably half or more of that is .22 fodder, too.
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2010, 06:45:37 PM »
So did Gonzalez actually do anything wrong?  All the article really says is that two guys attempted to assault Gonzalez, and that Gonzalez shot 'em.  There's lots of detail about Gonzalez's history of activism, but precious little about the circumstances surrounding the shooting.


Last week, authorities charged Gonzalez, 23, with first-degree intentional homicide for the death of Danny John, 29, and attempted first-degree intentional homicide of Jered Corn, 21, who was left paralyzed from the chest down.

Gonzalez called 911 right after the shooting to report he had fired at two men who had tried to assault him when he went to move his car about 12:15 a.m.

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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2010, 07:02:02 PM »
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There's lots of detail about Gonzalez's history of activism, but precious little about the circumstances surrounding the shooting.
It's probably an election year.

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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2010, 09:08:45 PM »
Sounds like he's an OC advocate because he can't get a CCW in his state (unsure about that, but that's my initial suspicion... don't know WI law).

WI and IL are the only two states with no concealed carry provision.  So, yes, he cannot get a CCW.

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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 09:35:48 PM »
I'm guessing that the local constabulary is figuring that sooner or later he's going to run out of money...
 
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2010, 10:16:58 PM »
not much in the story  wonder about shooting a guy in his car if hes mugging you.  and he supposedly claimed to have shot out a window. the guys he shot will not be cannonized so its gonna be his word against the paralyzed guy who has memory issues.  and the forensics. he needs good lawyering
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 11:37:41 PM »
Funny, the story mentions Gonzalez's personal history with the police, and then CYA's by stating "no prior criminal record," but is suspiciously silent on the record of the two shootees. I'm having trouble remembering, didn't someone mention both of them have several violent offense convictions?

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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 11:38:46 PM »
Indeed, they did. I can dig up a link, it was on THR, also on other forums...
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2010, 01:03:25 AM »
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2010, 09:19:47 AM »
Wow!  They seized all those guns and all that ammo and did NOT call it an arsenal.  Will wonders never cease.   :O
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2010, 09:22:13 AM »
Funny, the story mentions Gonzalez's personal history with the police, and then CYA's by stating "no prior criminal record," but is suspiciously silent on the record of the two shootees. I'm having trouble remembering, didn't someone mention both of them have several violent offense convictions?
Yeah, there was little or no detail of the events of the shooting.  At least no reason was given for why they arrested him and charged him for murder.
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2010, 09:25:14 AM »
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After the shootings, police served a search warrant at Gonzalez's home and seized three additional handguns, three rifles, a shotgun and about 1,300 rounds of ammunition.
Seems to me that if you've got any family or trusted friends, one of the FIRST things they ought to do if you're in lockup is remove other firearms from your home.
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2010, 09:43:01 AM »
Seems to me that if you've got any family or trusted friends, one of the FIRST things they ought to do if you're in lockup is remove other firearms from your home.

Wouldn't that be legally risky?
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2010, 09:50:02 AM »
Wouldn't that be legally risky?

I don't see how.

But then again, I don't see how the police are justified seizing all that property.
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2010, 10:49:18 AM »
Let me play devil's advocate for a moment...
 
Do we know, for sure, that he didn't bait 'em? or otherwise start a situation?
 
I'm thinking that he may be a trifle confrontational, have a bit of a chip on his shoulder...
 
If I'm ever in a situation, I want the course of events to read more like "Bogie tried to defuse the situation, and he tried to leave. He went into his dwelling, locked the door, and when the decedent kicked the door in, he defended himself."
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2010, 11:17:38 AM »
a lot will depend on forensics in this case
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Re: open carry activist arrested for homicide
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2010, 11:48:03 AM »
Let me play devil's advocate for a moment...
 
Do we know, for sure, that he didn't bait 'em? or otherwise start a situation?
 
I'm thinking that he may be a trifle confrontational, have a bit of a chip on his shoulder...
 
If I'm ever in a situation, I want the course of events to read more like "Bogie tried to defuse the situation, and he tried to leave. He went into his dwelling, locked the door, and when the decedent kicked the door in, he defended himself."

I always yell for help and yell for people to call police, really loud, it saved my bacon a number of times. if ppl are around they get on the cell quickly when a gun is pulled-the last time I pulled a gun during a road rage incident, I was recorded by a 911 caller as instructing her to "please call the police mam"
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