Ditto on the gov't fleets, or big schools. I go to the MSU surplus store on a fairly regular basis looking for good deals on office equipment, but they usually have some pretty decent vehicles. Those are sold on a bid system of some kind. I also drive past the state of Michigan surplus lot pretty frequently and they've got all sorts of vehicles, from retired state police cruisers to minivans, vans, pickups, and lots of subcompacts. I think those are also sold through an auction system of some kind. I've heard that there are very good deals to be had, at both of those places. I guess it's easier when you live in or near those sites, but these days most of those are listed online.