Mexico Troops and Drug Cartel has shootout near US-Mexico Border

[Desertdog]

It's getting deadlier down in Mexico.  I wonder what the US Army would find if they made a sweeep across the BLM land where they put the "Warning keep out of this area" signs up.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/02/mexican-military-says-suspects-killed-shootout-soldiers-near-border-824044515/

[taurusowner]

It's getting deadlier down in Mexico.  I wonder what the US Army would find if they made a sweeep across the BLM land where they put the "Warning keep out of this area" signs up.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/02/mexican-military-says-suspects-killed-shootout-soldiers-near-border-824044515/

Probably a fairly target rich environment.

I think the time of "enforcement" is at an end.  The next vehicle with a Mexican license plate that crosses the border illegally, whether it be a civilian box truck or a Mexican Army SUV needs to meet the business end of a Mk 19 or a .50cal.  We need to stop playing around with this like if we just have enough drug sniffing dogs and undercarriage mirrors, the problems will go away. America needs to start destroying its enemies.  Whether they be in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Mexico, all the "measured response" and surgical action does is show them we aren't really that serious about dealing with the problems.  I guarantee if the next border incident ended with a dozen smoking wrecks with no survivors, our border would start get a little more respect.  No questions, no checkpoints, no deportation, not legal wrangling.  Just lob enough 40mm grenades, and TOW missiles until they get the message.  Not even a "you're trespassing warning".  As soon as they cross the line, have the Army open up on them until there is nothing left.  Repeat until they stop.

[Perd Hapley]

You mean Mexican Troops and Drug Cartel have shootout near US-Mexico Border?

[Ron]

Probably a fairly target rich environment.

I think the time of "enforcement" is at an end.  The next vehicle with a Mexican license plate that crosses the border illegally, whether it be a civilian box truck or a Mexican Army SUV needs to meet the business end of a Mk 19 or a .50cal.  We need to stop playing around with this like if we just have enough drug sniffing dogs and undercarriage mirrors, the problems will go away. America needs to start destroying its enemies.  Whether they be in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Mexico, all the "measured response" and surgical action does is show them we aren't really that serious about dealing with the problems.  I guarantee if the next border incident ended with a dozen smoking wrecks with no survivors, our border would start get a little more respect.  No questions, no checkpoints, no deportation, not legal wrangling.  Just lob enough 40mm grenades, and TOW missiles until they get the message.  Not even a "you're trespassing warning".  As soon as they cross the line, have the Army open up on them until there is nothing left.  Repeat until they stop.

I'm sure burning wrecks filled with women and children would deter the border crossings.

I nominate you to clean the remains out of the wreckage.

[roo_ster]

I'm sure burning wrecks filled with women and children would deter the border crossings.

I nominate you to clean the remains out of the wreckage.

Buzzards got to eat, same as worms.

I always thought that some border patrol in the desert SW would be a fine way to acclimate before going overseas.  Infantry and MPs would do a world of good practicing the infantry's bread & butter: patrols, ambushes, and raids.

[longeyes]

Ragnar D has raised the issue that the goings-on in Mexico--both the drug wars and illegal immigrant influx--dramatically present: We've proved we're civilized; what we haven't proven is whether we're going to survive.

[Ron]

Ragnar D has raised the issue that the goings-on in Mexico--both the drug wars and illegal immigrant influx--dramatically present: We've proved we're civilized; what we haven't proven is whether we're going to survive.

Surviving and being civilized aren't mutually exclusive.

Talking about not distinguishing between families crossing the border illegally and drug runners, killing them both out of hand, does very little to advance the cause of border security.

It makes strong border advocates sound like a bunch of nutjobs.

[Stand_watie]

...It makes strong border advocates sound like a bunch of nutjobs.

I'm a strong border advocate, and I agree with Ron.

[charby]

Not politics

Going on and on about indiscriminate killing/genocide won't be tolerated either.

[Perd Hapley]

Going on and on about indiscriminate killing/genecide won't be tolerated either.

I would agree, so long as we can stop throwing around the word "genocide," as if we didn't have access to a dictionary.  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I would agree, so long as we can stop throwing around the word "genocide," as if we didn't have access to a dictionary.  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

well when a "movement" lets folks like this
 http://www.google.com/images?q=jt+ready&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=yhqBTMqsKsb_lgfphNmKDg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCsQsAQwAw&biw=1280&bih=596
be their poster child some comparisons leap to mind

[charby]

I would agree, so long as we can stop throwing around the word "genocide," as if we didn't have access to a dictionary.  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

If fixed it but spell check said was fine. So basically quit being an ass.

[makattak]

If fixed it but spell check said was fine. So basically quit being an ass.

I don't think it was the spelling, but the definition you were using he was objecting to.

[charby]

I don't think it was the spelling, but the definition you were using he was objecting to.

So targeting vehicles with Mexican plates which probably contain citizens of Mexico, aka Mexicans, isn't genocide?

[makattak]

So targeting vehicles with Mexican plates which probably contain citizens of Mexico, aka Mexicans, isn't genocide?

Genocide: : the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

Do people in a car with Mexican plates driving over our border constitute an entire racial, political, or cultural group?

Disclaimer: I am not supporting that idea, I'm merely pointing out it isn't genocide.

[Perd Hapley]

Excuse you?  I think it's obvious which of us is currently behaving like a donkey.  Don't bother to apologize, though.  I was simply pointing out that genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group."  And no one in this thread has called for that.     

well when a "movement" lets folks like this
 http://www.google.com/images?q=jt+ready&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=yhqBTMqsKsb_lgfphNmKDg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCsQsAQwAw&biw=1280&bih=596
be their poster child some comparisons leap to mind

Just lock the thread now.  It always come back to race-baiting. 

[Perd Hapley]

So targeting vehicles with Mexican plates which probably contain citizens of Mexico, aka Mexicans, isn't genocide?

He said "illegally." 

[Perd Hapley]

Disclaimer: I am not supporting that idea, I'm merely pointing out it isn't genocide.

Same here. The abuse of that term is pretty much a Godwin in disguise. But at least it tells us who is thinking, and who is just mindlessly reacting.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Excuse you?  I think it's obvious which of us is currently behaving like a donkey.  Don't bother to apologize, though.  I was simply pointing out that genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group."  And no one in this thread has called for that.     


Just lock the thread now.  It always come back to race-baiting. 

heck  was it the pic of ready getting cozy with joe?  or pierce that bothered you most?  or how about joe giving intel to ready?

theres a special vid of ready out there offering his opinion on certain famous politicians role in world and social events thats a hoot.  if folks in the :movement " follow endorse finance and otherwise enable him to be the public face there are gonna be consequences

[Perd Hapley]

I have no idea who or what you're talking about, but the Discovery Channel nut was also anti-immigration.  So go ahead and smear us with that, OK?

[roo_ster]

Excuse you?  I think it's obvious which of us is currently behaving like a donkey.  Don't bother to apologize, though.  I was simply pointing out that genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group."  And no one in this thread has called for that.     


Just lock the thread now.  It always come back to race-baiting. 

He said "illegally." 

Indeed, there is a trend to use verbiage inappropriate to the situation (genocide) and to neglect to include very important information (illegal) when discussing this topic. 

And toss in the usual race (master)baiting from the usual suspects.

Oh, I'll include the standard "Not in support of killing mixed bus loads of hemophiliac nuns and Rhodes Scholars trying to cross the border illegally," disclaimer. 

Whenever the topic is the desert SW, Two Mules for Sister Sarah quotes are always apt, though.

[mtnbkr]

Closed.