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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 10:34:58 AM »
I just snorted coffee at this, thank you.

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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 10:38:30 AM »
I think the AP does have an uphill battle with the fair use defense the artist has.

That being said, I sure do hope the AP wins this.  =D

Shepard Fairey single-handedly restarted the Orwelian/Stalinistic looking style of Soviet Modernisim, and it's creepy as all hell. Any harm that can be done to it is good.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 10:40:55 AM »
If your philosophy of government is based on theft, what's the big deal? :laugh:
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 10:49:17 AM »
I think the AP does have an uphill battle with the fair use defense the artist has.

the image has led to sales of hundreds of thousands of posters and stickers


Fairey also used the AP photograph for an image designed specially for the Obama inaugural committee, which charged anywhere from $100 for a poster to $500 for a poster signed by the artist.

seems like some unfair profits are taking place and Mannie should be paid

http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2009/02/10-questions-for-mannie-garcia.html

The AP must protect their assets or they can loose their standing
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2009, 11:08:35 AM »
I would say that given that he's personally profited BIG time from the image, he's going to get laughed out of court on the fair use claim.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 11:09:19 AM »
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Shepard Fairey single-handedly restarted the Orwelian/Stalinistic looking style of Soviet Modernisim, and it's creepy as all hell.

QFT

Not to mention the artist should be spreading his wealth.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2009, 11:22:31 AM »
fun with image ownership:

Tony Stone vs Stephen Arscott

In 1994, Tony Stone Images took both Corel Corporation and Canadian artist Stephen Arscott to court over Arscott’s winning entry “The Real West” in that year’s Corel Draw World Design.

While Arscott had stated on the competition entry form that his image was original, the central image was clearly based on a photograph taken by Tony Stone photographer Nick Vedros featuring a Native American wearing traditional headdress in side profile. The winning entry was also scheduled to appear in Corel’s worldwide marketing campaign.

Arscott, a professional graphic designer at the Arscott, Ticar and Kobli Integrated Communications advertising firm, claimed the image had been created using CorelDraw’s freehand drawing tools.

When initially contacted by Tony Stone, Arscott, who had received $25,000 cash and prizes in excess of $75,000, conceded that he had copied Vedros’ photograph, but that he had not infringed the copyright as he had transfered the medium from a photograph to a painting. In a letter he sent to Vedros, Arscott admitted “I used your photograph of the Potawatamie Indian as a reference for the creation of my piece”

Arscott refused to return the prizes, and instead submitted to Corel a modified version of his original entry, in which the Native American was altered slightly, but which still infringed Vedros’ original work. He also claimed that Vedros had suffered no injury or damage from the infringement.

The Canadian court found in favour of Tony Stone, who had sought $400,000 in damages from Arscott.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 11:55:29 AM »
the image has led to sales of hundreds of thousands of posters and stickers


Fairey also used the AP photograph for an image designed specially for the Obama inaugural committee, which charged anywhere from $100 for a poster to $500 for a poster signed by the artist.

seems like some unfair profits are taking place and Mannie should be paid

http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2009/02/10-questions-for-mannie-garcia.html

The AP must protect their assets or they can loose their standing

GOOD! I got the impression from the article that he had mostly been ripped off by third-parties going gonzo making buttons and stickers and he wasn't seeing a cent of it, and the AP would have to track them all down individually.

Although I strongly suspect some sort of back-room compromise between the AP and Fairey will be worked out. I just can't see the libtard MSM and one of the Messiah's most fervent worshippers being at odds for too long.

Let's hope I'm wrong, that it costs both sides tons of money so that neither of them win, then those trial lawyers then splurge all that money on hookers and blow and Ferraris they crash on the interstates instead of donating it back to the Trial Lawyer interest groups and the Dems perpetually blocking tort reform, and that damned "HOPE" portrait becomes a commercial hot-potato, untouchable by anyone.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2009, 12:42:50 PM »
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2009, 12:48:39 PM »
I dunno.  They both use a standard textbook composition and pose.  Since they're both images of the same person, and both built on the same formula, then it's inevitable that they'd come out looking fairly similar.

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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2009, 12:52:30 PM »
umm...

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Fairey has said he found the photograph using Google Images.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2009, 01:00:00 PM »
So his mistake is not in producing a similar image, it's that he publicly admitted to cribbing off someone else.

Ya gotta figure that with all of he bajillions of photos and pictures of Presidents that a few of 'em would come out looking remarkably similar.  If you make an unremarkable headshot or portrait of one these guys, you can bet that someone else is also going to make another unremarkable headshot of the same guy, and that both images will look pretty much the same.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 01:08:32 PM »
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2009, 01:09:10 PM »
No, his mistake is wantonly profiting off the image.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2009, 01:12:21 PM »
Do we know how much money Fairey himself actually made off that version of the photo?  It sounds like he gave it away free, then it went viral.

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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2009, 01:13:56 PM »
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If your philosophy of government is based on theft, what's the big deal?

Well, yeah, but property belonging to the elite is different from junk owned by the workers and peasants.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2009, 03:40:41 PM »
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I would say that given that he's personally profited BIG time from the image, he's going to get laughed out of court on the fair use claim.

Can't he just claim it is a satire? It's my understanding that satire is protected by free speech laws, regardless of profit. For example, Weird Al's adaptations are perfectly legal even though they rip off the structure and tone of the original works very accurately.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2009, 03:57:16 PM »
You can't claim you are satirizing Obama, when Obama uses it for promotion.

This is cut and dried infringement of a photograph
The Obama Campaign should have done due diligence on the original before they viralized it

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make the lol cat game, sell 3 million copies next christmas and watch what happens
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2009, 10:57:17 AM »
Calif. artist sues AP over image of Obama   

Feb 9 05:07 PM US/Eastern
By LARRY NEUMEISTER
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - An artist who created a famous image of Barack Obama before he became president sued The Associated Press on Monday, asking a judge to find that his use of an AP photo in creating the poster did not violate copyright law.
The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan said street artist Shepard Fairey did not violate the copyright of the April 2006 photograph because he dramatically changed the nature of the image.

The AP has said it is owed credit and compensation for the artist's rendition of the picture, taken by Mannie Garcia on assignment for the AP at the National Press Club in Washington.

Lawyers for Fairey acknowledged that the artist used the photograph. But they said he transformed the literal depiction into a "stunning, abstracted and idealized visual image that creates powerful new meaning and conveys a radically different message."

AP spokesman Paul Colford said the company would have no immediate comment until its lawyers reviewed the lawsuit. The AP had said in a statement last week that it was in discussions with Fairey's attorney and hoped for an amicable solution.

The AP has not taken legal action against Fairey. But the lawsuit noted that the AP had threatened twice to sue Fairey, possibly as early as Tuesday, and that it considered all works that incorporate the imagery of the "Obama Hope" poster to be infringements of its copyrights.

The lawsuit said the purpose of the photograph documented the day's events while Fairey's art, titled "Obama Progress" and "Obama Hope," was meant "to inspire, convince and convey the power of Obama's ideals, as well as his potential as a leader, through graphic metaphor."

Fairey's image became popular on buttons, posters and Web sites. It showed a pensive Barack Obama looking upward. It was splashed in a Warholesque red, white and blue and underlined with the caption HOPE.

The lawsuit noted that Fairey first began distributing his Obama images in early 2008 and that Obama thanked him in a Feb. 22 letter for his contribution to the presidential campaign.

When asked Monday about AP's position, Fairey said: "It's a suppression of an artist's freedom of expression." His attorney advised him not to say anything else.

The lawsuit was brought on Fairey's behalf by the Stanford Law School's Fair Use Project and a San Francisco-based law firm.

"There should be no doubt about the legality of Fairey's work," said Anthony Falzone, executive director of the Fair Use Project. "He used the photograph for a purpose entirely different than the original, and transformed it dramatically."

The lawsuit was filed on the same day that Fairey appeared in two different Boston courtrooms, where he pleaded not guilty to charges he tagged property with graffiti.

He allegedly vandalized a Massachusetts Turnpike Authority building last month as part of one of his street art campaigns. Fairey also pleaded not guilty Monday to a charge of placing a poster on a Boston electrical box in September 2000. Boston police said he had failed to appear in court in the 9-year-old case days after his arrest.

The 38-year-old Los Angeles resident was arrested Friday when he was in Boston for an event kicking off his exhibit at the Institute of Contemporary Art. At the time of the arrest, detectives were aware that Fairey had failed to appear in court in 2000, said Jake Wark, a spokesman for the Suffolk County district attorney's office.

Fairey was ordered to return to court on the Boston charges for pre-trial hearings on March 10 and 11.

"I'd love be able to feel like the culture of Boston continues to encourage freedom of expression," Fairey said after Monday's hearings. "If that's not going to be the case, I'll deal with that."

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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2009, 11:04:20 AM »
Ah, the old "they sue me, so I'll sue them" strategy.

I predict someone is about to get buried by AP's VERY deep pockets.
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2009, 11:35:08 AM »
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2010, 04:19:16 PM »
Famed Obama 'Hope' poster artist losing hope


By Aamer Madhani, National Journal
The artist whose poster of Barack Obama became a rallying image during the hope-and-change election of 2008 says he understands why so many people have lost faith.
In an exclusive interview with National Journal on Thursday, Shepard Fairey expressed his disappointment with the president -- a malaise that seems representative of many Democrats who had great expectations for Obama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_excl/ynews_excl_pl3712
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Re: AP alleges copyright infringement of Obama image
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2010, 07:14:11 PM »
AJ:

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Shepard Fairey single-handedly restarted the Orwelian/Stalinistic looking style of Soviet Modernisim, and it's creepy as all hell. Any harm that can be done to it is good.

It's "Warholeseque", not "Stalinist" or "Orwellian". Didn't you read the article?