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Ebooks and parenting?
« on: October 31, 2010, 03:34:02 PM »
Theoretically, I'm a big fan of e-books.  Simplicity is better, and a physical library adds a whole lot of complication to one's life. N

Last night I was pleased to find some books available for free that I've wanted to read for quite some time (I avoid borrowing books when possible; too easy to run into complication like damage or losing track of what came from where, etc).  I also looked up some of my "dealbreaker" books; books I'd have to be able to get as e-books to make the switch, and found the
all available.

My biggest hesitation though, is losing the educational value of having books sitting around.  Seems I absorbed a lot just from growing up around books.  Not that my kids are, even now, banned from electronic devices. Kiddo the elder, at age four, has and reads a couple storybooks on my iPhone.

Nonetheless, I have hesitations. Your thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2010, 04:51:50 PM »
I think something like Wikipedia or books where it's hyperlinked, and your kid can be drawn into and really go afield and get drawn to more and more knowledge, or other book titles it's good.

If the e-book limits them to never seeing or considering titles that they may see on a real-world shelf, then it would be bad.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2010, 11:42:15 PM »
Personally I would think twice about NOT having reading material readily available to your kids.  I remember lying on the floor looking at a newspaper when I was about four and asking my Mom what **** meant.  She looked at me and stated that I must be making it up since I couldn't read yet.  I said, Yes I can, I learned sitting on Daddy's lap reading the newspaper with him.  Reading to kids and having them read to you with something real in their hands is far better in my opinion than having it magically appear on a screen.

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Re: Ebooks and parenting?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 12:09:16 AM »
I can remember the day I learned to read.  Seriously.

I went to school that morning having not figured it out yet, and at one point during the day I read the word "see".  In a moment it all clicked.  Like a switch had been thrown.  I went home and announced that I could read now.  Mom and my grandma tested me.

For some time after that, I entertained company by having a newspaper handed to me and told to read a random article. 

I also remember being frustrated in class while listening to other kids try to read who hadn't figured it out yet.  I would want to shout the word out so I could quit hearing their hesitating speech as they stumbled through a page of "Dick and Jane".

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Re: Ebooks and parenting?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 12:14:54 AM »
Now, I am going to put on my hat you rarely see me put on: my hard-conservative-stern-MicroBalrog hat.

At an early age - all the way up to 14 - you want to control your children's reading habits. You want to give them books and be certain they don't get distracted and go clicking through stuff in the middle. Paper books, or an e-book reader not connected to the Interwebs. But preferably paper books.

I am of the belief that there remains what intellectuals call a canon - a collection of books you must read at an early age to be an educated person when you're older. I myself have missed out on some of them, but at least, at an early age, my parents have made sure I have consumed as many of them as possible.

Begin with simple things - the list of classical children's books is well known. But remember that they will, one day, need to read Shakespeare. And Shelley. And Melville. And Plato, and all of those other dead dudes, too. These books are cheap as paper and free as e-books.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 12:21:20 AM »
Or that approach will make a child consider reading a chore.

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 12:38:13 AM »
Or that approach will make a child consider reading a chore.



It certainly worked for my parents and me. It will not make a child hate reading if it is done right.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 08:18:27 AM »
It certainly worked for my parents and me. It will not make a child hate reading if it is done right.

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Re: Ebooks and parenting?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 11:29:14 AM »

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Re: Ebooks and parenting?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2010, 11:55:00 AM »
Of course, they are going to have access to reading materials and be encouraged to read--they already do/are. 

Micro--my parents had an extensive library and gave me the run of it when I was about twelve.  Oops.  Got in trouble at school for reading heresy in math class.  Potok ftw. 

I guess the question is in part whether Grandpa Shooter's, and to be fair, my, feelings that there is something different and special about physical ready material will hold true for the next generation and in part whether access to reading material will be at least as free with a primarily electronic system as it would be with a primarily physical system.

Anyone know if books can be shared or libraries browsed between Kindles/Nooks?  If not, major drawback to those formats.  Even if they can though, will they?  In my parents' home, there were books everywhere.  Two daily papers and one weekly, a half-dozen good magazines, eight different editions of Encyclopedia Britannica, three different editions of the Talmud, a half-dozen shelves of classical studies, a bookcase full of biography, two walls of fiction, etc. 

I don't want that.  At all.  I can't even think well in a space that cluttered.  Too difficult to organize.  And my parents have a hard enough time keeping the dust under control; we have pets.  Imagine the nightmare.  They just added two layers of shelves running down the hallway up toward the ceiling because they ran out of wall space.  Yes, my father is well and truly obsessed with books. 

This all came up when I came across the first two "grown up" books I bought on my own.  I was twelve, and had recently started earning my own money.  One of the first things I ever bought, with about thirty hours' worth of babysitting money, was the first two volume of Flexner's biography of George Washington.  I'm thinking of getting rid of them.  Great books, but not the kind of thing I read much, and if I ever want to reread them, there's no shortage of libraries.  I got them because I had read the abridged, single-volume edition on my father's shelves after watching a tv special on Washington based on those biographies.  Could that kind of chain of events happen with electronic formats?  How does one go about having an adequate but small personal library?

I guess that's where Micro's list of great books comes in.  I could certainly use some remedial reading myself--the must-reads of my childhood and teen years were Pentateuch and Prophets, Rashi and Rambam, etc.

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Re: Ebooks and parenting?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 12:09:02 PM »
Anyone know if books can be shared or libraries browsed between Kindles/Nooks?

I've been looking into an e-reader myself, and that's been a concern.  My wife and I read a lot of the same stuff, and buying 2 copies of books just so she can have access and I can have access on seperate readers is a concern.  I've pretty much read the whole user's manual for the Nook online.  Sharing a collection between her and me should be no problem, as long as both readers are registered to the same account.  My take is that whatever you "own" is readable on all of the devices you have that can read an ebook.  So, that would cover laptops, Nooks, Kindles,... whatever is linked to that one account.  But, you would only want to share an account with someone who you wouldn't mind using whatever credit card is also linked to the account.  They can buy books, periodicals etc through the account the same as you.  So, letting all of APS sign up to your account might not be a good idea.  :laugh:

As to "loaning" a book, you can do that too.  You can send an invitation to another person to borrow one of your books.  During the loan, you do not have access to that book.  But, (and I love this feature!) after 2 weeks the book automagically comes back to you.  Downsides:  not all books can be loaned, you can only loan any particular book 1 time, once you send the invite, the book is not available to you for the whole 2 weeks, even if they don't accept the offer of the loan.

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Re: Ebooks and parenting?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 12:23:01 PM »
Meh, there's nothing magical about paper and ink. A kid can browse the menu on a Kindle/Nook/Whatever just as easily as a physical library.

I don't plan to give my kids unsupervised internet access anyway, so distraction, etc. on that front is not an issue.

Content is what matters. The vehicle for the content is largely irrelevant, in my opinion.

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Re: Ebooks and parenting?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 12:49:03 PM »
Meh, there's nothing magical about paper and ink.

Agreed. There might be to some, but only because that's what we grow up with. I think when kids are at the stage of reading where they need pictures and such to help hold their interest, an actual book holds the advantage (mostly since I wouldn't trust kids of that age to not destroy an e-ink reader or IPad-like device). Once kids are reading regular books with just text and few pictures then they're going to like reading on a device just as much as reading an actual book.

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 01:28:41 PM »
And incorrect.

Well, I wasn't exposed to the canon.
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2010, 10:09:25 PM »
My mom went to college in her early 30's (as did I) and I was around 11 or so then and I loved reading her college literature books! Fahrenheit 451, Flowers for Algernon, stuff you wouldn't think an 11 year old would want to read much less understand. We would discuss the parts I didn't get and I was like a sponge soaking it all up. I loved to read. Still do. In college I wouldn't pick up a novel we were to be tested on until a day or so before the test. I would then read it in a few sittings, take the test and make A's. Ticked my wife off that I could do that. I read Jaws and The Omen in one sitting each. I enter that world and live it until the end stopping only for food and bathroom breaks.

If we had kids I would let them read whatever they liked and help them to understand it as well. It is a source of great knowledge and also opens you up to things you would never be exposed to otherwise. As it is, with no kids, when I buy a book I read it and then give it away for someone else to enjoy. I usually retain enough that re-reading one, unless a good deal of time has passed, is no longer fun as I already know what to expect and what is coming. It is the same with movies. I simply don't buy them, I rent them.
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