Blankety-Blank son of a retarded trunk monkey!

[CNYCacher]

Ran into some knob and tube today.  It's live and was in use until the other day when I removed the light from my bathroom.

[p12]

Speaking of "trunk monkeys"

**** Warning****  thread drift *******


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCUBxgdKZ_Y&list=PL97F6F6CEBFFECC64&index=3&playnext=2


Dang funny.

[230RN]

I found some rotary-switch-double-cotton-covered-on-porcelain-standoffs wiring in one of the outbuildings on my old farmlet.  I should have pulled it and kept some of it for old times' sake.

When we left, the fire department burned the place down for a practice burn.  I'm wondering if all they had to do was energize that wiring to start the fire.

Terry, 230RN

[RoadKingLarry]

Ran into some knob and tube today.  It's live and was in use until the other day when I removed the light from my bathroom.

Proving one again that context is everything.

[Balog]

yes, it lubricates the electrons and makes more watts per ohm

I love APS. 

Also, even though I will (as soon as the state of WA pulls it's head out of it's rectal orifice and approves my affidavit of experience so I can take the test) have an electrician's license I don't think of myself as any kind of expert. All I've done is commercial work replacing like-in-kind, and I get really uncomfortable around household wiring. No conduit, no j-boxes, lights and outlets on the same circuit... It all just strikes me as weird. Not as weird as plumbing lines and PRV's inside walls where I have to bust out sheetrock to get to them, but still.

[KD5NRH]

No conduit, no j-boxes, lights and outlets on the same circuit... It all just strikes me as weird.

IMO, lights and outlets don't belong on the same circuit anyway; why should the lights go out because of something you did to the outlets, and why should you have to replace an outlet in the dark?  Besides, with CFL and LED, all the lights in a typical house can be on one 30A circuit.

[Tallpine]

It has always bothered me that houses are not designed to be worked on. 

It's comparable to building a car and welding the hood shut 

[KD5NRH]

It has always bothered me that houses are not designed to be worked on.

OTOH, some things are improving.  I plan to insist on this in any house we build: http://mvsupply.biz/manabloc.htm

[Balog]

It has always bothered me that houses are not designed to be worked on. 

It's comparable to building a car and welding the hood shut 

Or full size vans, where you have to remove half the dash to get to the engine. 

[AmbulanceDriver]

OTOH, some things are improving.  I plan to insist on this in any house we build: http://mvsupply.biz/manabloc.htm

Oh, absolutely.  I saw this being installed in a house I was helping clean up down in Biloxi after Katrina hit.  Asked the plumber about it and he was simultaneously loving and hating it.  Loving it because of how easy it made *EVERYTHING* for plumbing.  Hating it because he knew that if these things really took off (manifolds and PEX) he'd eventually take a hit due to fewer service calls.

[KD5NRH]

Oh, absolutely.  I saw this being installed in a house I was helping clean up down in Biloxi after Katrina hit.  Asked the plumber about it and he was simultaneously loving and hating it.  Loving it because of how easy it made *EVERYTHING* for plumbing.  Hating it because he knew that if these things really took off (manifolds and PEX) he'd eventually take a hit due to fewer service calls.

So far, the only thing it would have helped out on was one the plumber would have loved; he broke the toilet stop while replacing a seal, and had to spend 15 minutes tracking down the service cutoff while the bathroom slowly flooded.  (Oddly, the main cutoff for the block is in our yard, while the cutoff for our house is just outside the fence.)  Every other problem we've had so far involved drains.

[CNYCacher]

Oh, absolutely.  I saw this being installed in a house I was helping clean up down in Biloxi after Katrina hit.  Asked the plumber about it and he was simultaneously loving and hating it.  Loving it because of how easy it made *EVERYTHING* for plumbing.  Hating it because he knew that if these things really took off (manifolds and PEX) he'd eventually take a hit due to fewer service calls.

My first impression of this was that it was hot on one side, cold on the other.


But then one of the pictures showed a blue line with a blue knob (is that a knob?) on the red side.


So it got me to wondering how this system actually works.

Reading through the FAQ's and even the rest of the site is a complete waste of time.  There's almost no real information there.

[KD5NRH]

But then one of the pictures showed a blue line with a blue knob (is that a knob?) on the red side.

That gap leads me to believe that the bottom two lines are separate from the top six in some way.

[Harold Tuttle]

It's a priesthood knowledge base model,
you should read security system module instructions

[CNYCacher]

It's a priesthood knowledge base model,
you should read security system module instructions

Seems a stupid question, but there are valves on this thing, right?  It isn't just a distribution block?

[Harold Tuttle]

yip!
http://www.viega.net/xchg/en-us/hs.xsl/4741.htm

[CNYCacher]

yip!
http://www.viega.net/xchg/en-us/hs.xsl/4741.htm

Interesting theory with the faster hot water transmission, and individual lines to each appliance.

I've never given it much thought, but PEX tube is so cheap that the amount of money you save on T fittings will cover a significant portion of your extra tubing cost.

Take a typical cold supply for a bathroom:
25' of 1/2" PEX, 2 T fittings, 6 rings, and maybe 15' of runners VS.  3 30' lengths of 3/8 PEX

40' of 1/2" will run ya $10, and the fittings another $4-5 easily.
90' of 3/8" will run ya $20

Not a bad deal to get that isolation and fast hot water.  Never getting scalded in the shower when someone hits the toilet is a bonus.

With all that said, what these guys are selling is an idea.  They are not the cheapest valved distribution manifolds in town (but might be the nicest-looking)

[Tallpine]

I've always wanted to design a house with an "engine room" and all the plumbing would be either directly beside, above, or below. 

[230RN]

My house will have a floor drain and a hot water hosecock in every room.

[HeroHog]

When we redid all the plumbing in our house we replaced it all with PEX. Had I known about THIS, I would have installed it! I DID put in a Ball valve where the main line entered the house with an ID the same size as the pipe so it wouldn't restrict flow and those things last forever. Made cutting the water supply off quick and easy! I also used big bends in the PEX instead of 90 degree elbows wherever possible to keep flow up. I like a shower that will take yer skin off!!