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poor sob
« on: May 15, 2011, 08:30:27 PM »
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: poor sob
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 11:35:21 PM »
In my perfect world when a fasle accusation becomes know the person who made the false accusation is subject to the same penalty that the wrongly accused might have suffered.
In this case the young lady who had made the false complaint would now be serving 40 years in jail.
Nifong would be serving a life sentence.
And, there would be quite a few prosecutors persecutors sitting on death row.
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Re: poor sob
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 11:45:27 PM »
I like your world, RKL.

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 12:10:51 AM »
lets not leave the fairfax school system out of the loop
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: poor sob
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 02:46:32 AM »
why is it that the clowns in positions of authority never seem to have to answer for the injuries they bring about. occasionally one of them gets caught 'doing' another one of them's wife and he gets slammed, but they can 'do' you with impunity, it seems.

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 03:20:05 AM »
Accusations are too cheap.  Defense is too expensive.

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 05:50:34 AM »
In my perfect world when a fasle accusation becomes know the person who made the false accusation is subject to the same penalty that the wrongly accused might have suffered.
In this case the young lady who had made the false complaint would now be serving 40 years in jail.
Nifong would be serving a life sentence.
And, there would be quite a few prosecutors persecutors sitting on death row.


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Re: poor sob
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 08:14:56 AM »
I'm still mulling over the appropriate response to the list of "expectations" the school system wants to impose.  The delay has been caused by the difficulty in locating any reference to "innocent until proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" in the Fairfax County Schools' civics curriculum.  (The supposition being that there is a slight chance that if they teach the concept they might possibly believe it.)

Unfortunately the way things work in real life, as opposed to the fantasy that is our Constitution and the myths of The American Way, this guy will be lucky if he can get a job refilling the Slushey machine at the Quiky-Mart, let alone returning to a teaching position anywhere.

On the bright side of things, the County Rec system seems to understand that false accusations are just that, and welcomed his return to coaching without conditions.

The pity is that because the little twit is a minor the law protects her, and any civil suit will fall on the wallets of her parents.  It would be nice if there was a way for the courts to enter a judgement against her future earnings so she could spend a lifetime realizing just how badly she behaved.  Unfortunately I have no illusions about her ever understanding that, let alone accepting responsibility for the consequences of her actions.

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 08:54:04 AM »
I'm still mulling over the appropriate response to the list of "expectations" the school system wants to impose.  The delay has been caused by the difficulty in locating any reference to "innocent until proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" in the Fairfax County Schools' civics curriculum.  (The supposition being that there is a slight chance that if they teach the concept they might possibly believe it.)

Unfortunately the way things work in real life, as opposed to the fantasy that is our Constitution and the myths of The American Way, this guy will be lucky if he can get a job refilling the Slushey machine at the Quiky-Mart, let alone returning to a teaching position anywhere.

On the bright side of things, the County Rec system seems to understand that false accusations are just that, and welcomed his return to coaching without conditions.

The pity is that because the little twit is a minor the law protects her, and any civil suit will fall on the wallets of her parents.  It would be nice if there was a way for the courts to enter a judgement against her future earnings so she could spend a lifetime realizing just how badly she behaved.  Unfortunately I have no illusions about her ever understanding that, let alone accepting responsibility for the consequences of her actions.

stay safe.

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 08:56:36 AM »
I'm curious how many in this thread would be calling for the man's head on the first report of the allegations without bothering to wait for such niceties as a trial.

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 12:29:49 PM »
The prosecutor needs to be Nifong'd.
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Re: poor sob
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 01:14:58 PM »
I'm curious how many in this thread would be calling for the man's head on the first report of the allegations without bothering to wait for such niceties as a trial.

That's a good question, and a scarey one.  Thing is, a group of people saw through the bullshit and found him not guilty in (what was it?) 47 minutes.  I'd like to think we would be as smart if we were given the facts. The way the story is presented means everything, and I wouldn't trust the MSM to give us accurate info to base any conclusions on... in fact, I'd expect it to be presented in the manner of CSD vs GunPal.   :lol:

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 02:42:14 PM »
you think he would have as many defenders/enablers/endorsers as cannon? >:D
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 03:01:08 PM »
you think he would have as many defenders/enablers/endorsers as cannon? >:D

He seems to have a good number of defenders.

Not sure he needs enabling.

He probably could use a few more endorsements, though.

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2011, 03:01:30 PM »
you think he would have as many defenders/enablers/endorsers as cannon? >:D

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Well, I guess I opened a door there, eh?

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2011, 03:03:57 PM »
I'm curious how many in this thread would be calling for the man's head on the first report of the allegations without bothering to wait for such niceties as a trial.

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We have seen that before - there are a fair number that have called for heads on platters before many, let alone all, facts were in, let alone a trial.

To the credit of the list, there seem to be a larger number that decry such behavior and caution patience and the production of facts before opining on just what should be done.

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If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege.

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They keep making this eternal vigilance thing harder and harder.  Protecting the 2nd amendment is like playing PACMAN - there's no pause button so you can go to the bathroom.

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Re: poor sob
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2011, 03:15:26 PM »
people laugh when i refuse to be in a house alone with an unaccompanied young woman
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: poor sob
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2011, 03:53:34 PM »
I'm curious how many in this thread would be calling for the man's head on the first report of the allegations without bothering to wait for such niceties as a trial.

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Yep, just stick to the rules of procedure and evidence, and the Constitution.

You get too zealous in either direction and justice is not served. You go on a witch hunt for false accusations, and real victims are fearful of coming forward. Go into lynch mob mode, and innocent men get railroaded.

Our system is far from perfect, but I have a gut feeling it's still better than most anywhere else on Earth. Even in some supposedly enlightened first-world representational democracies.
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Re: poor sob
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2011, 04:25:48 PM »
Yep, just stick to the rules of procedure and evidence, and the Constitution.

You get too zealous in either direction and justice is not served. You go on a witch hunt for false accusations, and real victims are fearful of coming forward. Go into lynch mob mode, and innocent men get railroaded.

Our system is far from perfect, but I have a gut feeling it's still better than most anywhere else on Earth. Even in some supposedly enlightened first-world representational democracies.
Quite likely. I could tell a horror story about a case over here from the 80's. It's sickening and heartbreaking.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2011, 06:01:10 PM »
people laugh when i refuse to be in a house alone with an unaccompanied young woman

Got chewed out repeatedly for calling in milage every 1/4-mile when transporting kids in foster care or kids going into foster care because of abuse/neglect situations.  Even had the kids trying to shout at the dispatcher that I was not molesting them because I was too busy calling in mileage.  End result was that it became agency (DSS) policy to call in mileage every 1/4-mile whenever transporting anybody in an agency vehicle.  Gee, I wonder why that happened?  No, I gave up a long time ago wondering why nobody else did it.

Had one incident of an inmate at the women's prison trying to accuse me of inappropriate conduct while interviewing her.  Had the female Correctional Officer who was sitting outside the open door to my office write up an incident report about it after she (the CO) took her from the Intake Unit to Segregation.  Inmate got 90 days Seg + loss of all privileges for an additional 90 days after she got out of Seg for the false accusation.

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It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: poor sob
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2011, 07:53:01 PM »
people laugh when i refuse to be in a house alone with an unaccompanied young woman

Not me.

I agree 100 percent. My wife and I have formally and legally adopted her granddaughter (age 16), and I still make it a policy to be very careful about where and when I go with the young lady when Mama/Grandma isn't along. I stopped picking up hitch hikers years ago for this reason.
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Re: poor sob
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2011, 09:31:54 PM »
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people laugh when i refuse to be in a house alone with an unaccompanied young woman

Smart move.

I was watching a little girl trying to fly a small obviously homemade kite.  Poor thing couldn't get it to fly, not enough tail.  It kept spiraling right into the ground everytime she tried to launch it.  No apparent adult supervision.  I was just about to go over and help her out and decided, you old fool, stay away from her.  Used to be old pharts like me would be considered "grandfatherly," nowadays the first thing people might think is "old perv" and a parent would have come running over all in a panic.

Sad.  All she needed was another foot of tail, or to put a rag bow in the tail she had on it, or maybe just a quick explanation as to why, or maybe just a bit more bow in the cross strut, or to change the bridle string angles.  I was just a little to far away to diagnose it for sure.

Who knows that in an alternate universe, with a success experience with that little kite, she might have become an aeronautical engineer or something and developed a new airfoil for wind turbines.

Or something.

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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2011, 11:01:44 PM »
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Who knows that in an alternate universe, with a success experience with that little kite, she might have become an aeronautical engineer or something and developed a new airfoil for wind turbines.

And now - because nobody bothered to help her - her low self esteem will cause her to shack up with some no-good woman punching drug pusher, and crank out welfare babies.   =(
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2011, 04:49:32 PM »
Also in another possible alternate universe, some grandpappy-style olde phart who did help her, will point out: "That shalt not bear false witness,"  Perhaps some other oldey-timey-bits of advice, to boot.
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