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Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« on: January 04, 2012, 12:20:01 AM »
So I just so the new Sherlock Holmes movie, awesome by the way, and was curios if anyone knows what the rifle that the sharpshooter used was and the light machine gun used by Watson was.
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 10:38:27 AM »
Only two highly functional machine guns would be around that early.

Gatling guns and maxims vickers.

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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2012, 10:46:27 AM »
Only two machine guns would be around that early.
Gatling guns and maxims vickers.

What about the Puckle gun?
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2012, 10:56:54 AM »

What about the Puckle gun?

That had fizzled out almost 140 years prior to the events and era portrayed in Sherlock Holmes, either the books, or the liberties taken with the era in the movie.

And while it was impressive for it's day, it did not have that great a rate of fire. A bit less than 10 rounds a minute, maximum. And it's operation was very manual, even as compared to the Gatling. Nor were they ever common. IIRC, from one of my old gun and weapon books, one Duke in the 1740's bought a couple dozen to outfit some ships in an attempt to take St. Lucia and St. Vincent back from the French. And the British didn't get final control of those until the 1800's. So one could assume the Puckle wasn't instrumental in turning the tides of any battles.  =)
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2012, 10:57:26 AM »

What about the Puckle gun?

AJ beat me to it.

But I edited for ye nitpickers.  :P
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 12:15:39 PM »
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes:_A_Game_Of_Shadows

Cool. Well that answers the sniper's rifle, a Martini-Henry, but it doesn't answer the gun that Watson had used once. From what I remember it sorta looked like the body of the Maxim, but it had a top loading stick mag and it didn't have the watercooling barrel.
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 01:35:01 PM »
Just looking at the guns in the film it's bound to be awesome. Will probably watch it today, and report if I can identify the LMG.
Cool. Well that answers the sniper's rifle, a Martini-Henry, but it doesn't answer the gun that Watson had used once. From what I remember it sorta looked like the body of the Maxim, but it had a top loading stick mag and it didn't have the watercooling barrel.
Can you give more details? Like pistol grip or not, stock or spade grips, curved stick mag or straight?
Only two highly functional machine guns would be around that early.

Gatling guns and maxims vickers.
Also Mitrailleuse, Gardner Gun, Nordenfelt Gun.

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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2012, 01:55:04 PM »
Just looking at the guns in the film it's bound to be awesome. Will probably watch it today, and report if I can identify the LMG.Can you give more details? Like pistol grip or not, stock or spade grips, curved stick mag or straight?Also Mitrailleuse, Gardner Gun, Nordenfelt Gun.

Gardner comes the closest. There were lightweight Maxim prototypes without the water jacket, and maybe a box magazine even, but nobody bought any. The one that nominally wound up as the 08/Vickers is the one everyone stocked up on in the last days of th 1800's, and didn't get serious about it until the WWI Nineteen-teens period. I'm wondering if a director/producer/prop-man saw the Gardner's very Maxim-like lines, (Or, the Maxim it could be argued, had very Gardner like lines, down to the cocking lever looking like the Gardner's crank...) and sort of combined the two ideas for a more 1890's looking LMG concept with a bit of plausibility.

The Mitrailleuse kind of ended around 1870, and most were no better than a regular canon firing shot. Since all 50-odd barrels fired at once on many designs, and then other variants did individual cartridges or waves with levers or cranks, it barely fits the role of machinegun at all.

The Nordenfelt is a bit more likely than the Mitrailleuse, although it's Calliope gun origins and wide shape made it more of a fixed mount proposition for ships. I think most of them saw their best use as small and mid-range deck guns in the .75 and 1.00 caliber + range. More as a form of small automatic canon against torpedo boats/rammers. Not something I think anyone would bring to a ground firefight.
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 02:09:54 PM »


1908

Or



Which was 1902...

Being the movie is set in 1891, not bloody likely. But the mauser is also not correct to period, so hey, whatever.
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 03:04:08 PM »
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Can you give more details? Like pistol grip or not, stock or spade grips, curved stick mag or straight?

Can't be a 100% certain but I think it was a pistol grip. He carried from a sling, never actually shouldered it to fire. And it was a curved mag, looked like a small round like a pistol caliber if my memory serves me right.

Aha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77UdYWDkgVE Right at 1:53 is a blurry image.
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 03:43:57 PM »
Can't be a 100% certain but I think it was a pistol grip. He carried from a sling, never actually shouldered it to fire. And it was a curved mag, looked like a small round like a pistol caliber if my memory serves me right.

Aha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77UdYWDkgVE Right at 1:53 is a blurry image.

The guy on the left in the shootout, where his partner on the right has a Mauser Brooomhandle/Schnellfeuer right before the quick cut to the mortar (on a ship?)

Looks almost like it's 1/2 of a Villar-Perosa, the wacky 9mm light aircraft SMG that came out in early WWI  or a Beretta M1918, which was the surplus V-P's cut in half and retrofitted to a stock and a Carcano-like trigger, but kept the unique top-mount magazine. (until the m1918/1030 variant anyway, which flipped the same basic action to a more traditional bottom mounted magazine
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2012, 03:54:40 PM »
didja see these on topgun last year?


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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2012, 07:38:06 PM »
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Looks almost like it's 1/2 of a Villar-Perosa
Saw the movie. Does look like a sexed-up V-P - it had the spade grips.

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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2012, 09:43:01 PM »
A Gatling's not really a machine gun, is it?
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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2012, 11:37:42 PM »
A Gatling's not really a machine gun, is it?

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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2012, 08:11:28 AM »
A Gatling's not really a machine gun, is it?

Not per ATF, if I recall correctly - since you have to hand-crank it.

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Re: Guns in new Sherlock Holmes movie
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2012, 08:30:46 AM »
It is if you're on the receiving end. :angel: [popcorn]

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