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« on: August 09, 2006, 10:23:13 AM »
This is a simple one... Those who grow, what do you grow, how do you keep the product, and how well does it keep?

I'm in planning for using a bit of my property that'll be cleared out by winter...

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 11:02:27 AM »
I am garden-less right now but I used to grow tomatoes, beans, radishes, lettuce/leafy stuff, peppers, herbs and peas on a regular basis. I also grew sweet corn, cucumbers and squash some years when I was in the mood for it when I bought seeds in the spring.

Most of my excess produce was pressure canned, tomatoes and peppers went to salsa, peppers to jelly or pickled, beans were canned in water a little vinegar and salt.

Everything else was eaten as fast as I could harvest it.

Some stuff grows better than others depending upon soil type, what was planted before and how much organic stuff you have in the ground. I hardly ever used chemical fertilizer. I usually put on a pickup load of horse manure before I tilled the soil. Throughout the summer I mulched with grass clippings from my yard which kept the weeds down and slowed water evaporation from the soil.

I never used pesticides or herbicides in my garden. Most of my insect problems were tomato worms and slugs. The tomato worms I would just pick off and smash, slugs I would trap in beer traps. It was a never ending battle, but I had safe to eat veggies. I tried to plant flowers that kept bugs at bay, marigolds and citronella.

I would just go buy a basic gardening book and a basic book on home food preservation.

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 12:53:14 PM »
I grow green beans, tomatoes, onions, Mexi-Bells (a hybrid hot bell pepper), chiles, cucmbers, squash and black-eyed peas, along with some dill, marigolds, basil, sunflowers and zinnias for fun.

We can the green beans in pint jars with one teaspoon of salt per jar, and pressure cook them, same for the peas.  With the Mexi-bells, Sandy pre-makes stuffed peppers and freezes them.  The cucumbers and dill are all made into dill pickles (well, except for the ones that end up on the table).

Our tomatoes are too sweet to put up, so we just eat them or give them away.  We will be buying canning tomatoes and chiles soon to put up salsa and chiles for green chili and other uses.  I can actually buy them cheaper than I can grow them in those quantities, and the farmer is a friend across the road, so I know what I'm getting.  Same for sweet corn, I buy it by the bag (5 dozen) and it is steamed, cut off the cob, and frozen.

We also buy and can pickled red beets, but I may try growing some next year.

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 12:53:50 PM »
Gotta can it
You can freeze some, but canning requires less storage issues.
There are tons of websites on canning.  Or you can steal good receipes from Larry A like I do.  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 12:55:22 PM »
Most of the gardening books I have read have some mis-information in them, apparently passed on from author to author.  The best book I've ever found is called "Basic Small Farming" which I believe can be bought through Mother Earth News.

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 01:50:35 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 04:35:03 PM »
Mother Earth News is still around, but I let my subscription drop.  They got a little too green for my tastes.  (Still a lot of good info in there though.)

Starting a garden in new soil can be an adventure.  Expect to work with the plot for three years before it gets into prime shape, and even then it will get better every year.  Soils vary from sand to clay, from acid to alkaline.  Perfect is probably somewhere right in the middle, which we don't have here in the arid southwest.  Our soil is alkaline, and where we have been gardening the last 12 years, is heavy river bottom clay.

Soils in the east tend to be more acid and loamy.  Acid soils benefit from addition of lime, which just makes my soil worse (more alkaline).

The good news though, is that there is a single fix for any soil problem.  Compost.  It will loosen up clay soils, cause sandy soils to hold moisture better, balance PH.  It doesn't matter what soil you have, compost will help it.

Horse manure is great, except it can contain some nasty weed or pasture grass seeds unless composted.  Grass clippings help mulch and add nitrogen, but don't have much organic matter.

I have a huge compost pile.  Everything goes into it, manure, grass clippings, weeds, household garbage, wood chips, dead rock squirrels (I'm not kidding), you name it.  I turn it occasionally with my loader, and in the spring I spread it and till it in.  About three years after I started gardening the spot I now use, the soil finally started looking like garden soil.  Every year it gets better.

Also, something I learned from Basic Small Farming; your compost doesn't necessarily have to be 'finished' to use.  Partially composted material in the soil will continue to break down, without negatively affecting the nitrogen level in the soil, no matter what conventional "gardening" books say.

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2006, 05:20:49 AM »
Well, I know I'm going to have my work cut out for me soil-wise, that's why I need a tiller... it's red clay with about 4" of loamy clay on top and I'm probably going to have to use a factory's output worth of lime to get the pH up to useable, it's had two downed pine tree's worth of offal parked on top of it for a few years and they just *had* to fell those trees in the middle of cone season when they're at their worst for acidity.

I might need to plant the whole thing over in legumes before anything else will grow, and I'll have to go on an ant eradication mission...

But, it's all the land I've got Smiley

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2006, 05:22:58 AM »
how big of an area are you looking to plant?

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2006, 09:31:21 AM »
it's looking like I'll have around 50x100' available.

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 09:33:46 AM »
Thats a nice big garden, you'll be giving a way lots of produce. To me thats the best part about gardening is having too much and sharing it with folks who don't/or can't garden. I have lots of coworkers keeping me in veggies this summer because I am gardenless.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 11:02:59 AM »
that's a big garden
you can usually get manure for free (otherwise people have to pay to get rid of it)
you totally want a tiller on a tractor for that size plot (trust me, you'll thank me for this)
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2006, 06:39:32 PM »
Ah, I think I'll just lash up a turning blade to the cat and have at it.

Heh, what I mean is, a standard tiller is a heck of a lot cheaper than a tractor and blades by far... I don't necessarily have to use all 5000sqft, that's just how much land I'll be freeing up when I finish removing tree debris.

I might get a (lawn) tractor yet though, it'd help me mow the bodacious amount of lawn I've got here. Who'd have thunk I'd have so much greenery to keep up with in the middle of the city.

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2006, 07:40:47 PM »
how much lawn? FIL owns 10 acres plants at least 2-3 acres in garden.  2 of the 3 acres in sweet corn, yeah good Iowa sweet corn. He mows with a John Deere diesel powered tractor, tills with it and plants his corn in stages with a 2 row chassis mounted planter on a International Harvester H. He tills with the John Deere diesel with a rear tine tiller. He also tills the many towns gardens too, I think to justify the tractor. He is awesome in my book.

But besides the point, you should be able to till your garden happily with a Troy Built or Honda rear tine self propelled tiller and just do fine.

I forgot to mention that FIL owns 5 IH tractors, but he likes to tinker. Oh man you should see his shop and small engine collection. Wife hates it when I mention I want to own a Clec-Trac crawler with a Oliver power plant.

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