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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 06:16:44 PM »
And somewhere else in the world a glacier is growing.

Moreover, back in the time if the Vikings, well before Columbus, Greenland had a lot less snow and ice than it does today. That's why the Norse called it "Green Land," and why they were able to establish an agrarian society there. Obviously, if they had been more scientific back then (and had television), they would have spent a century or three wringing their hands about the onset of "global cooling" before they finally abandoned the settlement.

http://www.livescience.com/14679-climate-change-vikings-collapse-greenland.html

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/2055775/little_ice_age_drove_vikings_from_greenland/

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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 11:38:27 PM »
Someone has caught me.  Yes. I've been chipping ice for my cold drinks.  Nobody said I couldn't.

So, do you want me to stop?

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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 12:19:00 PM »
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Their analysis shows glaciers in the region were melting even faster in the 1930s than they are today, before a brief cooling period in the mid-20th century allowed new ice to form, and then the melting began to accelerate again in the 2000s.

Quick!!  We need to fire up the DeLorean and go back and have FDR enact Carbon Credits along with Cap and Trade so that....errrummm, wait.  It got better without .gov intervention?   How did that happen?  Especially if you look at the 40's and 50's when we burned more fossil fuels (war and post-war recovery) then we did in economically stagnant 30's when they were melting fast.... Maybe mankind and our actions HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 01:21:19 PM »
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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 01:27:57 PM »
Quick!!  We need to fire up the DeLorean and go back and have FDR enact Carbon Credits along with Cap and Trade so that....errrummm, wait.  It got better without .gov intervention?   How did that happen?  Especially if you look at the 40's and 50's when we burned more fossil fuels (war and post-war recovery) then we did in economically stagnant 30's when they were melting fast.... Maybe mankind and our actions HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

But if that were true, why do we need the hundreds of thousands of over-educated central planning bureaucritters telling us what to do?
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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 01:34:12 PM »
Quick!!  We need to fire up the DeLorean and go back and have FDR enact Carbon Credits along with Cap and Trade so that....errrummm, wait.  It got better without .gov intervention?   How did that happen?  Especially if you look at the 40's and 50's when we burned more fossil fuels (war and post-war recovery) then we did in economically stagnant 30's when they were melting fast.... Maybe mankind and our actions HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.


Maybe the Cold War caused more glaciers ?   =|


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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 02:33:14 PM »
There was a history channel special a few years back where a team had located a P-38 Lightning fighter that was landed on the ice of Greenland with a few others due to low fuel.  They had to melt their way down below 40 to 50 feet of ice to get to the aircraft.  That much ice had built up over them in 60 years. 
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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 02:37:21 PM »
Maybe the Cold War caused more glaciers ?   =|

There you go. And if that's correct, then we're saved because the cold war seems to be ... ummm ... heating up.
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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 02:42:15 PM »
There was a history channel special a few years back where a team had located a P-38 Lightning fighter that was landed on the ice of Greenland with a few others due to low fuel.  They had to melt their way down below 40 to 50 feet of ice to get to the aircraft.  That much ice had built up over them in 60 years. 

I remember that.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/WWII-plane-recovered-in-Greenland/2007/06/23/1182019412243.html

http://www.p38assn.org/glacier-girl.htm
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Re: glacier melting in greenland
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 04:59:32 PM »
Quick!!  We need to fire up the DeLorean and go back and have FDR enact Carbon Credits along with Cap and Trade so that....errrummm, wait.  It got better without .gov intervention?   How did that happen?  Especially if you look at the 40's and 50's when we burned more fossil fuels (war and post-war recovery) then we did in economically stagnant 30's when they were melting fast.... Maybe mankind and our actions HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.


I happen to think we do have something to do with global temp, but don't hang me yet, I don't drink the kool-aid. I wish someone would study the climate history of the last few hundred years overlaid with human activity. I theorize that during the little ice age we exacerbated a natural cooling trend with particulate emissions, during the early industrial revolution we were burning massive amounts of coal and wood in a very dirty fashion. Contemporary reports talk of the reduced daylight in places like London. You know, how Beijing looks now! Circa the civil war Virginia was nearly completely deforested, figure that's a little snapshot of lost air filters. High C02, lots of particulate=reduced surface heating. I think over the past century we've gotten a lot less particulate emissions along with a natural warming trend. I guess that stuff like that has a much higher effect on global temps than CO2. See Krakatoa, cooled the whole earth.
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