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Political idiocy
« on: July 01, 2012, 05:08:22 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/power-outages-could-last-for-days/2012/07/01/gJQA3JVjFW_story.html?hpid=z1

Synopsis: Unprecedented summer storms result in unprecedented numbers of people without electricity. Since power companies have always relied on mutual aid in such crises, and in this case the nearest mutual aid sources are all in the same situation, it's going to take awhile to get boots on the ground. Sooooooo ...

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“I will not accept the timetable of July the 6th, said Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett (D), shortly after Pepco announced some homes would not have their power restored until Friday or even later. “Having our citizens go seven days without utilities in my opinion is not the kind of service we should expect.”

And exactly WHAT does Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett (D) expect the power companies to do? He "will not accept" the timetable? However long it takes is how long it takes. He can't posture and bluster and speed up the process with words ... if there aren't enough line crews in the state to make the repairs, then everyone will just have to wait until reinforcements arrive from Canada or wherever they're going to come from.

The New England states had this same idiocy last Fall when a freak October snow storm clobbered the electric infrastructure. It took ten days to get 95 percent of the customers back on-line. The politicians were lined up to make pronouncements similar to Leggett's but ... what good does it do? No power company in the world can afford to have that kind of manpower on standby 24/7/365. The regulators wouldn't stand for it. So when the power grid goes down ... suck it up and deal with it.

This didn't used to be such a mystery. My family moved into a new house in August of 1950. In October there was a major storm and we had no power for a week. No big deal. Around 1973 or 1974 an ice storm knocked out power over most of southern New England. Repairs took up to ten days. No big deal. In February of 1978 a blizzard shut down the state of Connecticut for a week. No big deal. In 1985 (IIRC) Hurricane Gloria knocked out power all over Connecticut and it took a week to ten days before most people were back in service. Once again ... no big deal. People understood that sometimes there's more work to be done than there are people to do it. It happens.

But today, we've become such a bunch of wimps that we can't accept the notion that, once in awhile, something happens that doesn't have an instant reset button attached to it.

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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2012, 05:22:39 PM »
"Harumph! Harumph! We've got to do something to save our phony baloney jobs!"

To admit powerlessness in any situation is, now, for a politician to conceivably admit ineffectiveness/uselessness in other situations. Promise everything, people expect you to deliver. The fact that you should never have made such promises, or that no one should have believed you, is apparently irrelevant.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 05:38:14 PM »
And he might be using this populist rhetoric to grab a concession from the companies.

The "I'll make your lives a living Hell until you appease me" blackmail that's illegal for average citizens but is the main source of power and goodies for politicians.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 07:44:26 PM »
I talked to a retired power company executive last year.  He told me the power grid is outdated and a mess.

I had an electrician install a new electric service that has a throw over switch and keep my generator handy along with about 20 gallons of gas.  I'm good for a week or so, longer if I can buy more fuel.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 07:57:47 PM »
When I can afford it or I am going to buy a generator and have it set up to come no automatically when the power goes out and have it ran off of natural gas.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2012, 08:19:39 PM »
I thought that, ever since the Katrina/NOLA unpleasantness, it was de rigueur to blame Bush. Have the politicians forgotten where the blame lies for all manner of conceivable ills?
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2012, 08:43:14 PM »
I thought that, ever since the Katrina/NOLA unpleasantness, it was de rigueur to blame Bush. Have the politicians forgotten where the blame lies for all manner of conceivable ills?
Hey! Don't be so myopic! You forgot Cheney & Halliburton and the hurricane machine. Bush was really just a sock puppet.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2012, 09:41:20 PM »
I was part of a project to catalog all the transformers in Connecticut when the October storm hit, so I saw first-hand the devastation that occurred.  I was without power in my home for eight days, and yet somehow, I only missed one day of work.  It was kind of humorous, actually, since a couple of my units got entered into the computer as "destroyed."

But yeah, it takes as long as it takes.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2012, 09:36:36 PM »
lets not forget that legget comes from an area that spawned multiple lawsuits against the power company after hurricane isabel.  lawyers and such wanted to be reimbursed for their stay at the hilton.   some of those same folks raise hell when the power company trims trees on right of way
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 02:25:42 PM »
I saw on the newz today (I'm at the car dealership getting work done), that the utilities face fines of up to $1million for failing to get the power restored in a timely manner.

Can some explain to me me how giving $1million to state and local .gov's will get the power back on quicker to those effected, and where will the electric utilities get the $$$ to pay the fines?
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2012, 02:59:22 PM »
I saw on the newz today (I'm at the car dealership getting work done), that the utilities face fines of up to $1million for failing to get the power restored in a timely manner.

Can some explain to me me how giving $1million to state and local .gov's will get the power back on quicker to those effected, and where will the electric utilities get the $$$ to pay the fines?


You idiot. They are obviously raking in obscene profits right now, with half their customers unable to buy their product, and thousands of workers making overtime pay.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2012, 05:29:33 PM »
I wonder what the good County Executive does for a living.  Given his response I suspect he lives in a world of his own creation.  A world where minor issues of available resources, sufficient labor, and coordination of effort.  You know, the elements of a technological society.  Just guessin' he's a community organizer, insurance agent, or attorney.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 06:15:30 PM »
legget is actually a pretty decent pol .  long time one 3 decades or more and a pretty classy guy. this incident not withstanding
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2012, 07:13:39 PM »
These are people who believe that because they write something on a piece of paper or make a speech, reality changes accordingly.  I'd call it a mental disease but it's just the nature of contemporary politics.  Too many lawyers.

We keep using our national treasure for the maintenance of the underclass and the overclass.  Too bad we haven't been maintaining our infrastructure with all those disappeared trillions.
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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2012, 04:24:22 PM »
I wonder what the good County Executive does for a living.  Given his response I suspect he lives in a world of his own creation.  A world where minor issues of available resources, sufficient labor, and coordination of effort.  You know, the elements of a technological society.  Just guessin' he's a community organizer, insurance agent, or attorney.

I had a direct exposure to the way such people (allegedly) think almost exactly 30 years ago. I was on the staff of a large-ish municipal public housing authority. We had (at the time -- now demolished, thanks be to the deity of your choice) a large complex consisting of six high-rise apartment buildings, all fed off a central boiler house. The boiler house contained three identical boilers, and was set up such that two were sufficient to run the complex if one was down for service. Of course, that was based on maintaining the apartments at a reasonable temperature, and closing the windows when it's 15 degrees outdoors. Public housing tenants seem (or "seemed," at the time) to believe that 80 degrees is a normal temperature for wintertime, and that the system should maintain that with all the windows open. Reality check -- the system can't do that.

So the tenants got Legal Aid to sue the housing authority. It happened that the previous winter, in an effort to meet the unreasonable demand imposed by the way the tenants abused the system, one of the boilers had overheated and buckled the plates surrounding the firebox. As the staff architect, I rejected the notion of replacing that one boiler with a new boiler from a different manufacturer and totally different design -- the maintenance people were not up to dealing with multiple equipment types in the same facility. So we put out a contract to repair the boiler.

The parts were not "stock" parts -- you don't go to Home Depot and buy firebox plates for a commercial size, fire tube boiler. So we found a company in Buffalo, NY, who could make the parts. The lead time just for the parts was 90 days -- then they had to be shipped to us (did I mention that boiler plates are big, and heavy?) and welded into the boiler. This does not happen overnight.

So we go to court. As the agency's Contracting Officer, I was called to testify to the fact that the repair to the number three boiler was under contract, that we expected to receive the parts in approximately 60 days, and that it would take about a month to complete the work once the parts arrived. The contract for the repairs was entered in evidence, as was the order from the boiler repair company to the supplier of the new plates, all documenting the lead times to which I had testified.

The judge ordered us to have the boiler on-line within three weeks.




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Re: Political idiocy
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2012, 10:35:55 PM »
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Public housing tenants seem (or "seemed," at the time) to believe that 80 degrees is a normal temperature for wintertime, and that the system should maintain that with all the windows open

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