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A new low - contains NSFW language
« on: July 13, 2012, 07:37:22 PM »
Somehow I missed this yesterday.  It was not covered by the TV news (or possibly I slept through it) and was not repeated today.

All I can say is: "What he says!"


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http://www.popehat.com/2012/07/13/screwtape-wept/
 
My Dear Wormwood,
As discussed in my last letter, your patient's decision to join the police department seemed a mixed development at best. It is true that Hell follows no law save the most ancient, "Eat or be eaten." But as a general rule we want to discourage the creatures from obeying any laws, even of their own devising. Despite the best efforts of our most fiendish disputants, we in the Lowerarchy are unable, as yet, to remove from their laws all that reeks of the Enemy, such as justice, temperance, chastity, and respect for their fellow vermin. Still, we have made great strides in this age toward bending those who enforce the laws, such as your patient, to the commendable vices of cruelty, corruption, graft, influence-peddling, and the forsaking of oaths. So I did not discourage your patient's occupation, as long as he could be steered onto a path which would eventually bring him to Our Father's House.

Until I received this report from our colleague Skrimcheez, who is in charge of the local newspaper editor: Henrico police shoot pet as they notify family of son's homicide. As you can see, the report is lavishly illustrated, and spares no detail. It appears that your patient, while performing his mundane duty of notifying one of the humans that her child had been murdered, discharged his weapon into the child's dog. Your patient claimed to have done so out of fear (no doubt of your urging) that the animal posed a threat to the patient's safety. I have carefully read the report, and it raises several questions regarding your care of the patient.

The first of which is: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR *expletive deleted*ing MIND? What kind of *expletive deleted*ing LUNATIC would shoot the GOD-DAMNED FAMILY DOG as he was approaching the GOD-DAMNED FAMILY HOME to notify them that THEIR SON HAD BEEN MURDERED? YOU ahole! Hell is TOO GOOD for this son of a bitch! I thought I was cruel! I thought I was merciless, but YOU…

(Here the manuscript breaks off, and is resumed in another hand.)

In my rage and fury at reading of your despicable patient's exploits, I find that I have transformed into a vampire bat. My secretary shall compose the remainder of this letter under my dictation.

There are some things, Wormwood, that are too vile even for us. Admittedly, before today, I could not have named one of those things. But shooting the family dog, on the way to notifying the family that its son has been found murdered in the street, is such a thing. Hell has majesty, Wormwood. Even the foulest fiend in the most abysmal of our pits would not sink to such a depth.

Rest assured, Wormwood, that your patient has found his place in Our Father's House. Indeed he shall be most welcome here.  We shall make a sport of him, a plaything, a feast to be savoured slowly with all the cruelty our tormentors can devise. And yet, for all of the anguish that shall be his, for eternity and more, his torment will only barely exceed what he has brought upon this family. Common murderers are, as the Americans put it, a dime a dozen. It takes a special cruelty, one I would call beyond diabolical if there could be such a thing, to kill the family dog before notifying the family of a death.

Your disgusted uncle,

Screwtape.

(Signed in his abysmal excellency's disability by his secretary, Toadpipe, B.S.M., D.T.)

 
Here's the newspaper link in case the embedded one does not work  http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/jul/12/tdmet03-henrico-police-shoot-pet-as-they-notify-fa-ar-2050797/
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 09:29:20 PM »
That was uncommonly funny. I'm not sure how serious he is trying to be, though. The article he provided said that a dog charged at the officers as they were approaching the house. Isn't it entirely possible that the force used was justified? I guess a tazer would have been better, but we'd have to know more details, right?
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 09:37:13 PM »
Amazing how postmen, UPS and Fedex delivery drivers, meter readers, and Mormom missionaries manage to do their jobs without shooting dogs  ;/
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 09:41:30 PM »
Amazing how postmen, UPS and Fedex delivery drivers, meter readers, and Mormom missionaries manage to do their jobs without shooting dogs  ;/

they have the option of leaving
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 09:46:52 PM »
they have the option of leaving

Assuming there was a fence the dog was is, they could of shouted for the owner to get the dog. Assuming there wasn't a fence, I'm assuming there squad car was not far away.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2012, 10:20:24 PM »
Assuming there was a fence the dog was is, they could of shouted for the owner to get the dog. Assuming there wasn't a fence, I'm assuming there squad car was not far away.


I wouldn't bet on them reaching the car, opening the doors, getting in and getting them shut before Spike reaches them.

It will be all in the details, of course.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2012, 10:22:40 PM »
they have the option of leaving


Even if the cops did turn around and run away, how would the dog know they were leaving? I love dogs and everything, but if I enter someone's yard and a pit bull starts running at me, why would I expect him to stop at the property line?
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2012, 10:29:02 PM »

Even if the cops did turn around and run away, how would the dog know they were leaving? I love dogs and everything, but if I enter someone's yard and a pit bull starts running at me, why would I expect him to stop at the property line?

Try whipping out your gun and shooting some stranger's dog in their own yard and see how it works out for you ...
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 10:36:10 PM »
Amazing how postmen, UPS and Fedex delivery drivers, meter readers, and Mormom missionaries manage to do their jobs without shooting dogs  ;/

We always seem to come back to this, don't we?

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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 10:42:22 PM »
they have the option of leaving

So did the cop. He was there to inform the family that a family member had been killed, not to make an arrest or investigate a disturbance.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 10:47:15 PM »
We always seem to come back to this, don't we?

stay safe.

and we always dodge the reality that all of the above can and will refuse to come to your house if you have a bad dog. we don't often allow that as an option for cops

or at least not anywhere i've lived

heck i had a delivery refused because of the billy goat
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2012, 10:58:19 PM »
and we always dodge the reality that all of the above can and will refuse to come to your house if you have a bad dog. we don't often allow that as an option for cops

Yeah, except as I just said, the cop could have left.

Also, there hasn't been any indication in what's been reported that the dog was actually aggressive. Not even the police claim it was aggressive, only that it was running in the officer's general direction. For all we know at this point it just wanted some attention.

Finally, even if it was aggressive just about every cop is issued, at the very least, pepper spray or a taser, either of which would have been a far better (and likely just as effective) option than pulling his gun and shooting the dog of a family that already lost one of its members that day.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2012, 11:41:39 PM »
But if I shoot a police dog it is a felony right? Law for me but not for thee. I recently saw a canine cop wearing a 2* t-shirt. Disgusting.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2012, 11:54:49 PM »
Try whipping out your gun and shooting some stranger's dog in their own yard and see how it works out for you ...


You're kidding right? You honestly think that running from a dog is a better option than using a gun?

Never mind. I forgot how fashionable it is to assume that every cop is simply looking for a chance to express his authoritay.


Alright, wait, I'm sorry. I read the article, and I wasn't taking into account that some of you didn't. Or maybe some of you know more about this case than I do. In any case, you have to admit that the article, which has police officers going to a home to speak to the residents, and then being "charged" by a pit bull, does not match at all well with the (admittedly hilarious) blog entry with the cop being all malicious and cruel.

So someone explain to me what I'm supposed to do if I am approaching someone's front door, and suddenly a dog runs up to me in an aggressive manner? If I had a gun, why wouldn't I fire it? If I don't fire it, what is the gun there for?
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2012, 01:13:18 AM »
I was out late one night walking the dog in San Francisco, I was in a very dark/large park .
All of a sudden I hear running toward me, I hear growling, it sounds large. ... I say "stop" in a command voice and shine my light, running toward me is a huge .... PUPPY... It had gotten loose from its owner, the puppy stopped and sat down.

I guess the cop has never worked with large dogs in any capacity, I have. They do not say if the cop gave simple commands like "no" "stop" or "sit" .

I have found that loud commands like "NO!" will work most of the time, in fact it only didn't work once but I had a large stick in my hand and raising did work.

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"They had told me my brother was dead and I'd come out back to cry on the porch and Tiger must have heard them. He ran into the front yard and the officer shot him," LaToya Ellerbe said.

 Tiger was probably being protective, still from the scant info the article gives I say he didn't have to shoot. The ranch dogs run toward everyone that arrives here, they're really big and friendly - anyone shooting them is going to be treated like a marauding zombie.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2012, 05:15:16 AM »
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So someone explain to me what I'm supposed to do if I am approaching someone's front door, and suddenly a dog runs up to me in an aggressive manner? If I had a gun, why wouldn't I fire it? If I don't fire it, what is the gun there for?

I have had dogs run up to me in an 'aggressive manner' many times when I helped my mother at her job at the Postal Authority.

I have managed to so far not kill a single dog.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2012, 07:26:36 AM »
I have had dogs run up to me in an 'aggressive manner' many times when I helped my mother at her job at the Postal Authority.

I have managed to so far not kill a single dog.

Thanks. That sure proves the cop was in the wrong.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2012, 07:38:35 AM »

Backing away slowly has actually worked quite well for me. Or leaving quietly.

These are not strange bizarre solutions, these are things I've actually done and worked.
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Re: A new low - contains NSFW language
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2012, 07:57:18 AM »
I'm usually up for a good cop bashing, but this story is lacking in facts.

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