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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2012, 02:59:17 AM »
More these, than those.  [popcorn]
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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2012, 05:36:55 AM »
We don't refuel from bulk carriers, purpose built military ships. My old ship did once take on fuel from a Japanese tender once though.

Better pic, from the damage on the starboard fwd quarter it certainly doesn't seem like much maneuver was made to avoid, presumably would have been turning to starboard in most situations.  



As for fancy radars, life at night in such areas is often excitingly enough done under EMCON or emissions control conditions meaning no radar to tell the world where we are. Sometimes no lights either. Then you rely on a junior guy mad at the world in general, Navy in particular to tell you that one part of the sky is a bit blacker than others.

I was on a ship in a collision. First go to EMCON. Then secure aft lookouts due to jet engine test ops on the fantail. Secure from flight ops. Start doing reactor drills to include crash stops. P.S. Forget to tell cruiser trailing you that flight ops is done, they can stop trailing you as plane guard. Anyway, there is now a CVN-71 class out there, it's about 8 ft shorter and sports one less CIWS mount than a Nimitz class.  ;/ The cruiser was worse for the wear, new bow for it.

Yup. I'd just gotten off the 10-2 watch down in EOS (where we control the reactors and main engines from), and was back in berthing JUST falling asleep as drills started. The ship starts shaking due to going to all-back-full from flank-ahead, the 'collision' alarm goes off, and I thought to myself, "Okay, now the guy who leaned on the alarm comes on the 1MC and tells us all to disregard the previous alarm..." - and the ship shudders and heels up from the port-aft corner. Reportedly, about 5-10 seconds before impact, one of the lookouts on the maneuvering circuit called out a "Popup contact." ;/ Damage was into the tens of millions for each ship, both TR and Leyte Gulf; we lost a CIWS and sponson, as well as a damaged poppet on one of the main-engine steam chests, rendering that engine incapable of low-speed control. That was the engine I was throttleman on for drills and the ORSE inspection a couple of weeks later, of course, leaving me unable to match turns on the other 3 shafts until they got to 50 rpm. Leyte Gulf ended up with about a 20' gash in her hull a few feet above the waterline, and had to head for port. We did not. Fun times... :facepalm:

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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2012, 06:20:02 AM »
It's a destroyer, not a battleship. I'm pretty sure even in WW2 destroyers only had 5-inch guns.
Yeah, but it had several of 'em.  The Fletcher-class had 5, iirc.  Point being, no USN ship I'm aware of has a rifle > 127mm (5-inch), and few have even 2 of those.  This may be the equivalent of 9mm vs .45, heck, maybe even a pocket 9 vs a Walker Colt, but if at least part of the mission is to impose order without actually having to draw and shoot the magazine dry, then an armored warship, bristling with guns, is just the ticket.  Sez me. :lol:
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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2012, 07:13:44 AM »
And it's a guided missile destroyer at that. It fires these thingies:



Which probably give them a bit more firepower than the destroyers of yore.

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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2012, 08:44:22 AM »
Sheesh! EVERYTHING has ads on it these days.

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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2012, 08:58:32 AM »
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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2012, 09:46:00 AM »
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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2012, 10:16:57 AM »
Well, I wish we could bring back a battleship just as a giant middle finger to anyone who annoys us. That said, a stabilized, auto-loading radar guided 5/54 is going to do a lot of damage. And with some of the new trick rocket assisted projectiles it can reach out and touch someone.
Yeah, the level of accuracy of even WWII naval gunery wasn't always that great.  A 5" shell hitting you or hitting very very close is going to leave a mark.

Going back further, I recall reading an account of the navy attacking the Spanish squadron at the Phillipines during the Spanish-American War and the number of shells fired versus hits.  I think the accuracy was maybe 5%. 
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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2012, 01:25:21 PM »
Yeah, the level of accuracy of even WWII naval gunery wasn't always that great.  A 5" shell hitting you or hitting very very close is going to leave a mark.

Going back further, I recall reading an account of the navy attacking the Spanish squadron at the Phillipines during the Spanish-American War and the number of shells fired versus hits.  I think the accuracy was maybe 5%. 

It was antiquated but technology came in fast. Battle off Samar, several Fletcher class destroyers mauled much larger opponents with radar ranged and fire director trained 5" guns. OF course they got sank for their trouble and they were shelling heavily armored ships but they landed lots of hits which made quite a mess topside of the Japanese line. You fire your magazine dry on a hand loaded gun and you're busy.
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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2012, 02:41:38 PM »
Lotsa rust showing in that photo.  Don;t you squids take care of your equipment before running it into cargo ships?
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Re: That's going to leave a mark - Tanker leaves gash in US Destroyer
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2012, 03:19:55 PM »
Lotsa rust showing in that photo.  Don;t you squids take care of your equipment before running it into cargo ships?
I guess deck apes ain't what they used to be.

Meanwhile, we had 2 x 5"/54 radar guided gun mounts. The GMs would tell you at 25 miles with the first shot they could hit your house and with the second they could hit your coffee table. They also had like night or infrared technology hooked up to it so they could actually see you in your house through your walls and guide them that way as well. This was in the late 70's. I imagine it's improved a bit since then.  ;)
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