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http://www.campaignsandelections.com/campaign-insider/333042/fcc-takes-up-text-message-spam.thtml

OK, so my thread title is a bit misleading...

...but, unwanted TXT messages are easily handled by free smartphone apps such as Mr. Number (along with do-not-call-lists).

Heck, I have one "contact" in my cell phone address book for my android.  Each political phone bank call I get, each telemarketer I get, each unwanted txt message I get, I add it to this one contact.  And I have my phone software ban that contact from interrupting my life.  I'm at the point now where I get maybe 1-2 unwanted calls a month, and they get to be less and less and less.  When I started this strategy, I was getting almost a dozen unwanted calls a day.  This "contact" must have 200+ phone numbers saved to it by this point, but the major phone bank centers only have so many outbound trunk lines they can use, and they cost a bundle to change the number on them.

The last thing we need is the FCC having more authoritah, over something that is easily fixed via half an ounce of consumer behavior.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 09:21:11 PM »
What do you do if you have an old fashioned "dumb phone".  The only reason I have a smartphone is because my company provides it.  I won't pay for one out of my own pocket.

Also, what do you do to get 200+ spam calls/texts?  I've had the same number for 11 years and use it as my primary phone (ie, it gets given out a lot), yet I haven't gotten even 20 spam calls/texts in that 11 years.

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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 10:00:03 PM »
I've been getting lots of calls from various vacation outfits, cruise line, time shares and the like. I'm fairly certain my dad and the wicked step mother are signing us up for crap. Once outfits like that have a number they tend to sell lists to other leaches.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2012, 10:08:49 PM »
I've been getting lots of calls from various vacation outfits, cruise line, time shares and the like. I'm fairly certain my dad and the wicked step mother are signing us up for crap. Once outfits like that have a number they tend to sell lists to other leaches.
this.  And charities sell their lists also. 
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2012, 05:34:55 AM »
What do you do if you have an old fashioned "dumb phone".  The only reason I have a smartphone is because my company provides it.  I won't pay for one out of my own pocket.


Let me make this prediction: 'dumbphones' are going to go gradually extinct over the next two decades. The prices of low-grade smartphones are even now approaching those of regular phones.

EDIT: Low-end smartphones are now $30.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 07:17:15 AM »
Let me make this prediction: 'dumbphones' are going to go gradually extinct over the next two decades. The prices of low-grade smartphones are even now approaching those of regular phones.

EDIT: Low-end smartphones are now $30.

You can talk about price when I can get an all-you-can-eat plan for about what I'm paying now for telephony service for 4 phones. 

Frankly, when considering phone functionality alone, I prefer my dumphone.  It performs better and is easier to carry (and less likely to shatter if dropped).  I hate using my smartphone for long periods of time because it's like holding a paperback book to my head.  Now that the phones have the smart, they need to put more work into the phone. 

Yeah, I know, first world problems and all...

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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 03:20:05 PM »

You will recall that for years it was a violation for marketing firms to call cell phones.

You will recall that, as a consequence of lobbying from marketing outfits who were seeing the disappearance of landline phones, the bright lads in D.C. said, "sure, you can call cell phones, but you can't call anyone who puts their name on this [public] no-call list."

Remember?  Yeah.  That's soooo working out.

So, having actually created the problem, now they want to rescue us from it.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 03:27:04 PM »
You will recall that for years it was a violation for marketing firms to call cell phones.

You will recall that, as a consequence of lobbying from marketing outfits who were seeing the disappearance of landline phones, the bright lads in D.C. said, "sure, you can call cell phones, but you can't call anyone who puts their name on this [public] no-call list."

Remember?  Yeah.  That's soooo working out.

So, having actually created the problem, now they want to rescue us from it.

How much freedom will this "solution" cost, 2.75 amendments, or perhaps just one and a half article sub-clauses?

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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 03:32:40 PM »
You will recall that for years it was a violation for marketing firms to call cell phones.

You will recall that, as a consequence of lobbying from marketing outfits who were seeing the disappearance of landline phones, the bright lads in D.C. said, "sure, you can call cell phones, but you can't call anyone who puts their name on this [public] no-call list."

Remember?  Yeah.  That's soooo working out.

So, having actually created the problem, now they want to rescue us from it.

ArfinGreebly sees the man behind the curtain.


Now, add to that, FCC getting to decide who/how/what is text spamming.

The last thing I want is goobermint deciding that "text spamming" is what happens when political grass roots organizers send out several hundred texts to people that have actually DECIDED to be part of a text activation tree... then attempting to prosecute those grass roots organizers.

Imagine FCC having the power to demand you license yourself in order to send a text to more than X number of people?  And it can only be people on this list right here?

People have the power to fix this themselves without goobermint involvement.  The technology has advanced to that degree that buggy whips Government Do Not Call Lists are irrelevant.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2012, 05:29:01 PM »
You can talk about price when I can get an all-you-can-eat plan for about what I'm paying now for telephony service for 4 phones. 

How much are you paying for your plan?
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2012, 05:50:23 PM »
How much are you paying for your plan?
Dumbphone plan: About $135/month for 5 lines with 1400 shared prime time minutes, unlimited nights+weekend minutes, and unlimited friends+family  minutes.  Two lines have 200 text/pic message allowance.

Smartphone: No idea, I don't see the bill.

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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2012, 09:04:11 PM »
Wait, what?

$27 per phone and you have limited minutes?

What kind of highway robbery is this?

In Israel, a plan for a smartphone that costs 88 shekels ($22 US dollars) includes unlimited calls within the country, unlimited calls to the US and Canada, unlimited SMS messaging, and unlimited internet service (which drops to 128 kbps after the first 1 GB of usage).

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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2012, 09:19:20 PM »
I have 1400 minutes to burn from 7am-9pm M-F.  Any time outside of that or any number I place on my "friends and family" list is free.  We rarely use more than 800 "primetime" minutes in a month, between 5 lines.  It's hardly a limiting factor.  It's actually a cheap plan for the US.  I've shopped around and can't beat it anywhere else.  I might be able to get more minutes, but we don't need more.

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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2012, 09:39:43 PM »
Well, the point is, in my experience at least, that cellphone plan prices are in freefall. Especially if seen in a historical perspective.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2012, 09:42:36 PM »
Well, the point is, in my experience at least, that cellphone plan prices are in freefall. Especially if seen in a historical perspective.

They are, but haven't gotten to the point where I can justify a smartphone out of my own funds.  I can afford it, I just don't want to pay for it. 

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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2012, 09:59:39 PM »
Well, the point is, in my experience at least, that cellphone plan prices are in freefall. Especially if seen in a historical perspective.

They are in some areas but cellphone service in the US is jacked up as far as current pricing/services/companies. You've got a few options, and all of them have some sucky parts that you might not want to go with...it can get right complicated. Suffice to say, I contract with Verizon for 2 gigs of data on an actual smartphone, with 450 minutes and unlimited messaging (a lot of companies advertise data service for seemingly low prices but do not include messaging! The actual data component of my bill is $30 but does not include messaging or calls. For the price I pay I do have the best cell phone coverage in my rural/semi-rural area. A lot of the budget plans/carriers do not work in my area.

I could get by with just a prepaid dumb phone but I value the features a smartphone brings to the table and I have found them immensly useful (I use to scorn them before I brought one)


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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 06:09:34 PM »
Micro you have to remember the size difference between Israel and the US and the fact that our infrastructure is becoming more and more incapable of meeting the demands being placed upon it.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 06:14:59 PM »
Micro you have to remember the size difference between Israel and the US and the fact that our infrastructure is becoming more and more incapable of meeting the demands being placed upon it.

Truthiness.

Israel has 330 people per square kilometer.

The US has about 30 people per square kilometer.


Granted, the cell coverage in the "good" parts of the Western US is certainly crappy... but that's a LOT more towers to support.  And electric bills to pay.  And backup generators to install and maintain.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2012, 06:37:12 PM »
As well I have a feeling, just a feeling mind you, that any money the gooberment has been giving to the telcos to subsidize infrastructure hasnt been spent entirely on infrastructure.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2012, 06:53:45 PM »
takes a lot of money to administer the money ya know!
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2012, 04:51:18 PM »
this.  And charities sell their lists also. 
hmm, what percentage are they pocketing. [tinfoil] somehow i doubt that's the word i would use for them. [ar15]

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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2012, 01:48:15 PM »
Micro you have to remember the size difference between Israel and the US and the fact that our infrastructure is becoming more and more incapable of meeting the demands being placed upon it.

A lot of it is that infrastructure in the US is also far less competitive.

For example, it is legal where I sit for the major phone provider to also own a cable company, and for the other major cable company to also provide phone service - so anywhere you can get cable and phone lines, the cable company can sell you phone service, and the phone company can sell you cable TV (enabling the two to compete with each other, driving down prices). ^There are also secondary providers.

They've also licensed something like five cellphone companies (i.e. providers with their own towers and infrastructure), and God only knows how many 'virtual providers' (which buy service from the major providers and re-sell it), which means you can get all sort of weird cell services.

The low population density matters less than you think unless you actually live in the low-density areas yourself. It being difficult to bring good infrastructure out to the desert doesn't mean you can't have good infrastructure in a city or a suburb.
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Re: Federal Buggy-Whip Bureau seeks authority over Rocket Propulsion
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2012, 02:53:11 PM »
Also, in the low density areas, the infrastructure doesn't get upgraded as fast.  No 4G out in the sticks.

AT&T provides internet service, cables or sattelite, phone service, and cell phone service. 
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